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RiceCream

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Savannah, GA

[MH]

25 Feb 2008 at 07:03 - 1

Apologies if this has already been discussed.

Thoughts on putting in a Blath faction title? one thing ive found recruiting is there are tons of people with titles.. such as all hero and glad titles... that are high and impressive and all, yet, they have no experience cause they've sway'd they fame etc. One of the defining factors that often relates to the recruits' level of skill is their balth faction. yet, without a screen shot(ive seen photoshoped ones...

, people lie about that sort of information. A simple, wearable title stating a general description of their pvp experience (for example r1=350k, r2=750k, r3= 1mil, r4=1.5 etc) could prove itself slightly useful. again, the title would eventually cap out at say..10mil, but in the same was as the lightbringer title.. maxes, but never actually stops increasing.

anywhoo.. long winded thought.

Chik N Nuggets

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

calgary, alberta, canada

The Crimson Knighthood [CRIM]

W/

25 Feb 2008 at 07:13 - 2

ide be kindof happy... i got 2 mil balth faction spent on my account so far.. so as long as it was account wide and included all the people that have large numbers of balth faction.. then sure

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

25 Feb 2008 at 07:18 - 3

I've thought this would be a great idea for awhile too, it'd be like a general PvP title. It'd be great for people like me. I don't favor any one area of PvP really.

Here's my stand on all the current PvP titles.

Gladiator title = RA is too tedious and frustrating dealing with the noobs and obnoxious pompous morons with wiki builds. TA, is just ridiculous and stupid and i do not care to explain why, though i have my reasons. I belive this is a title entirely based upon luck/exploitation and that's what it will always be to me.

Hero title = HA used to be a lot of fun, i've gotten up to r5 in it, but before it was just fun and experimental, now it's just elitism, bad sportsmanship, and wiki.

Champion title = GvG is a lot of fun, but i'll never be in a champ range guild. Out of the question for someone like me.

AB title is pretty much PvE to me.

Balthazar Faction title = Awesome. It's something to work towards on the rare days i feel like RAing, the times where i get in my HA rut, and for when i GvG with some guildies. It'll show all-around PvP experience.

[Of course, it would have to be made so faction earned through Zaishen didn't count, but that's just stating the obvious because i know there will be someone just DYING to say it's a bad idea because of Zaishen]

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

25 Feb 2008 at 08:11 - 4

hmmm everyone shoots the XP title thread down yet this same idea is being supported so far

I only do my 6k/day on ZE so i can't really comment much on a Balth title but i'd slowly get there (unless theres some harm in working towards a title that you can only put so much into per day like Gift3d thinks)

Medic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[DNR]

Mo/

25 Feb 2008 at 09:10 - 5

I like this idea, and I would suggest that each rank should increase your balth faction cap like some of the other PvP titles do.

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

R/

25 Feb 2008 at 10:20 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiceCream

One thing ive found recruiting is there are tons of people with titles.. such as all hero and glad titles... that are high and impressive and all, yet, they have no experience cause they've sway'd they fame etc.

I fail to see how this title would be any different from any of other pvp titles.

If the other titles arent enough due to cheapo ways of getting it (as u put it, they lack experience) how is balth faction any indication of it? Atleast Hero suggests they have an idea of what is going on in HA, Champ GVG, Commander HB, Luxon/Kurz AB, & Gladiator RA.

There is nothing to be gained by this title, and it doesnt show success in a specific area as all current titles do. No title is just a general "im good" statement (apart from koabd which could be classified as a im good at titles).

For these reasons I have to say that this is neither useful or necessary, and would only waste Anet's programming time, server space, and customer relations time as i am 100% sure that people would complain about SOME aspect of it.

Charr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/A

25 Feb 2008 at 11:05 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

There is nothing to be gained by this title, and it doesnt show success in a specific area as all current titles do. No title is just a general "im good" statement (apart from koabd which could be classified as a im good at titles).

Well if just about any moron can brag with bought Hero title and Kurzic allegiance title earned trough buying FFF runs why shouldn't I be able to brag with my "I'm good" title?
At least for now you can be sure I didn't buy it.

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

R/

25 Feb 2008 at 11:19 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charr

Well if just about any moron can brag with bought Hero title and Kurzic allegiance title earned trough buying FFF.

That takes alot of time and effort to sit there through 250+hrs of HFF, whilst getting balth faction isn't from one focused exploit. I was pointing out that EVERY other title is gained by being focused on one particular aspect of the game (Vanquishing, Hardmode, Chests, Unids, etc). Even the other PVP titles are focused upon one area (Gladiator - Arenas, Commander - HB, Champion - GVG, Hero - HA, Kurz/Luxon - AB). Balth faction title is simply saying im good at pvp. There isnt a pve version of that, and it serves no purpose as my previous post states.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charr

why shouldn't I be able to brag with my "I'm good" title?

You can, the purpose of all titles is to show that you are good at something. A title that says im good in general is retarded, especially when it is one which is so easy to get.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charr

At least for now you can be sure I didn't buy it.

When "buying" fame, you gain balth faction (theres bought)

When botting RA etc you gain balth faction

When leeching AB you get balth faction (assuming you dont get reported)

When doing Zaishen you get balth faction (can bot/buy that and its bloody easy) [I know someone said DONT include that coz someone will complain or something like that, but unfortunately IF anet implemented this title they wouldn't be able to seperate zaishen faction from other, just as they cant make all titles retroactive.

Also theres the Flames of Balthazar (i think thats them) they give 1k balth faction, and can be bought.

Finally, when people buy accounts, they naturally inherit all the balthazar faction already on the account, along with the fame, glad points, champ points, commander points, and lux/kurz rep. The whole argument for this title is flawed, and involves more time wasting from Anet.

The only reason I can see for putting up this title is for people who arent good enough to succeed in HA, GVG, RA enough to achieve ranks in those titles, because atleast by trying you get balth faction. This would rapidly become less respected then the "fame farmers" discussed earlier.

Pleikki

WTB q8 15^50 Weapons!

Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

25 Feb 2008 at 15:49 - 9

Nah i think all titles that causes elitism should be deleted? and would this title come from Faction earned or used? :d Used = Woo flames of balthazar

Earned = ppl spam zaishen elite like crazy

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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25 Feb 2008 at 16:15 - 10

Poll Added .

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

R/

25 Feb 2008 at 17:24 - 11

Luminarus, your arguement is invaild, there are 6 different ways to earn Luxon/Kurz faction, so it doesn't all come from one "dedicated exploit" that exploit also does not take effort, just time.

It's also account wide, just like Balt faction.

And of course someone somewhere would complain about it, theres always those people, in fact you're already basically complaining.

Rice Cream, how you doin man?, haven't seen you since I was in [GOAT]

Artorius.Maximus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rising Rebellion

E/

25 Feb 2008 at 18:26 - 12

/notsigned

I like the specialized titles the way it is. Also, adding this would IMO make the need to add the experience title, which while I would love to have, only makes GWAMM easier to obtain. I would be working two titles at the same time then while doing HFFF or skill capping.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

25 Feb 2008 at 19:12 - 13

Definately YESSSSSSS

Farming zaishens doesn't matter - the real massive faction gain comes from real PvP, especially GvG's (2000-3000++ per win) and abusing various x2 events.

This title should have no max - faction gain should have no limits.

/Signed

I would LOVE this thing!

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

25 Feb 2008 at 19:28 - 14

/notsigned
seriously: no
ppl that earn those are doing PvP
and PvP has his own titles like: Gladiator, Hero and other stuff
big no no

payne

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

england (currently located on the south coast)

R/

25 Feb 2008 at 19:28 - 15

would have to /sign this idea even though it has been suggested before :P

mostly for the reason of noobs lying about their balth faction to get into
*high(er)* GvG / HA guilds without the designated amount of balth faction as a req.

Maybe more ranks? 6/8 maybe so it is more precise to how much fac. you have! gg

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

Join Date: Oct 2005

in the middle of a burning cornfield...

Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

25 Feb 2008 at 19:38 - 16

/notsigned

IMO Alot of balthazar faction does not always mean a better player. I have seen plenty of people in RA saying how much faction they have and then turn out to be terrabad. (Yes, I know they could be lying but atm we shall give them the benifit of the doubt) Really its a positive correlation of time spent PvPing and amount of Balthazar Faction spent. Just my opinion though.

dies like fish

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Winter Wonderland [brrr]

W/E

25 Feb 2008 at 19:48 - 17

WTB Flames of Balthazar

This idea is stupid.

the Puppeteer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2007

25 Feb 2008 at 22:09 - 18

So a title for farming zaichen, RA & TA...? (gvg & HA have their own titles)
no tnx
/notsigned

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

25 Feb 2008 at 22:16 - 19

You won't get *millions* of faction by stupidity like Flames or farming Zaishens. The real PvP players will always make much more millions than that. Always.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

/notsigned
seriously: no
ppl that earn those are doing PvP
and PvP has his own titles like: Gladiator, Hero and other stuff
big no no

what a retarded post

Guess what - it would be a PvP title!

You cry because you won't be able to get that by farming griffons or other trolls?

Look at how many titles PvE has. PvP has only 4.

I wouldn't cry if they made more and more titles all about PvE that I would never get. Just ignore. Not stupidly oppose.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

25 Feb 2008 at 22:17 - 20

Part of this stems from the fact that there is only 1 GvG title, champion, which is ridiculously hard to earn (as it should be, it is meant for only truely elite players).
But anybody who is an experiencd GvG player exclusivly won't have a title. Which seems kinda odd since according to A.net, GvGs are the most prominant form of PvP (they are what world championships are based on, not TA, HA, or shudder AB format).

An experienced GvG player is far more skilled then a rank 3 gladiator, but won't have anything to show for it.

itsvictor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

25 Feb 2008 at 22:28 - 21

I've earned 2 mil balth faction on my account, free title please <3. I have mixed thoughts on this, that's its just a title, the people that will really discriminate you shouldn't be playing with anyway. No one ever said you have to play with elitist. Also for the people saying that titles (like this one) don't indicate a good player, well then there you go, they don't, it's up to an individual to judge another. It's like as "I pwnd U" said,"it's a correlation between time spent playing pvp and balth faction they accumulated and spent".

Van Goghs Ear

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

GvG go go!

Fail Less [noU]

R/Mo

25 Feb 2008 at 22:34 - 22

I am about to hit 6 million faction so...yes

oh and PvE does have an 'overall' title track...it's called kind of a big deal

Charr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/A

25 Feb 2008 at 23:03 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

/cut

Yes you can inded get Balthazar factions trough leeching AB and botting RA but in the long run you will get banned and all those factions you have earned will be gone.
As far as I know factions from Zaishen Elite caps at 6000 per a day, which means that if one wishes to gain 1,000,000 Factions from it he would have to farm it for 166 days, and A-Net gave us titles for a lot smaller accomplishments.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

Balth faction title is simply saying im good at pvp. There isnt a pve version of that

Ever heard of KoABD?

Artorius.Maximus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rising Rebellion

E/

25 Feb 2008 at 23:34 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Van Goghs Ear

I am about to hit 6 million faction so...yes

oh and PvE does have an 'overall' title track...it's called kind of a big deal

Anyone else realize that you could get KOABD off of PvP titles? Granted that probably would be the best PvP player in the game to get max hero, max glad, max champ, max lux/kurz, and max commander. Still it is possible though.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

26 Feb 2008 at 00:16 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

/notsigned
seriously: no
ppl that earn those are doing PvP
and PvP has his own titles like: Gladiator, Hero and other stuff
big no no

What? Like PvE doesn't have titles? I'm pretty sure PvE has more titles than PvP, so maybe stop being an elitist or GTFO.

If it has no max, I /sign

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

26 Feb 2008 at 00:21 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artorius.Maximus

Anyone else realize that you could get KOABD off of PvP titles? Granted that probably would be the best PvP player in the game to get max hero, max glad, max champ, max lux/kurz, and max commander. Still it is possible though.

As far as I know, no one has max hero, champ, or commander, and the closest people in each are near nowhere in another, so, technically, it wouldn't be possible for about another year or so, at least. The person closest to max commander has been at it over a year, max hero, since GW release, max champion, about 2 years. So, you would have to have played at least 6 years or so to accumulate everything. To say that this is possible is pretty far fetched.

Trevor The Wave

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

This Is Ukraine [UA]

E/Me

26 Feb 2008 at 00:28 - 27

/signed

I like this idea, and for everyone that is saying no, all your little reasons why are stupid.

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

26 Feb 2008 at 00:34 - 28

/not signed
due to the 2 years when you couldn't earn balth faction at all once you'd uax'd

Van Goghs Ear

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

GvG go go!

Fail Less [noU]

R/Mo

26 Feb 2008 at 00:45 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artorius.Maximus

Anyone else realize that you could get KOABD off of PvP titles? Granted that probably would be the best PvP player in the game to get max hero, max glad, max champ, max lux/kurz, and max commander. Still it is possible though.

there are no max titles in pvp as far as I know, they continue going, unless at some point anet announced that possibly level 15 would be the cap? But since no one has got there yet, we don't know.

And not to mention, maxing out a pvp title is a far cry more difficult than obtaining max grind in any of the pve titles. For example, going for protector or guardian would maybe take you a week or two depending on how hardcore you are. But a week or 2 in TA or RA would only maybe get you 1 or 2 ranks in that title and then it becomes that much more difficult as the levels advance.

Or champ rank? About a year and a half ago I had 30 champ points, I quit guild wars for about 8 months, since coming back I've gotten 2 points because it's difficult at this point if you aren't already in one of the established top 100 guilds and when I left for so long I closed off a lot of my options.

those titles are far more difficult to get. If there is no balth faction title, then I recommend maybe making every 3 or 4 ranks of a pvp title (depending on the level of difficulty to obtain it) = to 1 point towards your kind of a big deal title. I feel that would be very fair.

Zesbeer

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

LLJK

26 Feb 2008 at 01:12 - 30

the only way i would acualy like this is if they take into account the past bath used.

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

A/

26 Feb 2008 at 01:33 - 31

W T B Flames of Balthazar

Farming Zaishen Elite Self Invite

U Wanna Die

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/Mo

26 Feb 2008 at 01:33 - 32

I think it is a bad idea because people who have been doing nothing except pvp since the day it came out will have like 423,243,866,463,173,680 faction and will have a super max title

/notsigned

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

26 Feb 2008 at 02:47 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

W T B Flames of Balthazar

Wow, I didn't even think about this. This could turn into a "WTB Title" thing. Flames would definitely have to be reworked for this to work.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

26 Feb 2008 at 02:55 - 34

While I lost *millions* of faction on not being able to spend it on anything before the update that made the faction total increase even if unspent I still think such a title would be awesome.

This title is completely different than a PvE title that would be based on total experience gained by a character. Completely different.
You can't farm obscenely huge amounts of faction by repeatedly grinding something easy over and over.

Buying a lot of Flames won't get you anywhere - Flames are rare, very limited, 1k flames are as rare as Sigils, Golden Flames (3k) cost 15 Reward Points, it's much easier to gain the faction by playing than getting those - easier to get +3k faction by just winning 1 GvG than getting 15rps, which are also very limited.

You have to be highly competetive and win a lot. Otherwise your faction gain will be significantly worse than the competetive players'.

This is not about PvE.
PvE only players should not reply in this thread as they often are completely clueless and this whole thing doesn't affect their game at all.

This title should have reasonable tiers of varying levels, and no max. Example:

Rank 1. = 100k faction
Rank 2. = 250k faction
Rank 3. = 500k faction
Rank 4. = 1M faction
Rank 5. = 1.5M faction
Rank 6. = 2M faction
Rank 7. = 3M faction
Rank 8. = 4M faction
Rank 9. = 6M faction
Rank 10. = 8M faction
Rank 11. = 10M faction (very few people got more than 10M)
Rank 12. = 15M faction
Rank 13. = 20M faction
Rank 14. = 30M faction (I don't think anybody has more than that at the moment)
Rank 15. = 50M faction
Rank 16. = 100M faction (nobody will ever get that much, even in 10 years)
Rank 17. = 200M faction
...
No Max.

*just a quick example, more serious thought required for final version*

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

26 Feb 2008 at 03:02 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

But anybody who is an experiencd GvG player exclusivly won't have a title. Which seems kinda odd since according to A.net, GvGs are the most prominant form of PvP (they are what world championships are based on, not TA, HA, or shudder AB format).

An experienced GvG player is far more skilled then a rank 3 gladiator, but won't have anything to show for it.

Try winning a GvG. Tell me how much faction you get. Win some TA, tell me how much faction you get.

People with Champ titles would easily have this over gladiator

credit

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Team Apathy [aFk]

W/P

26 Feb 2008 at 03:29 - 36

To the OP: Wayward Soldiers are terrible, and so would this title.

/notsigned

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

26 Feb 2008 at 04:17 - 37

Why not.

I could honestly care less if they added it or not. It really isn't going to effect anything other than giving somebody another title to display when waiting for a match.

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

R/

26 Feb 2008 at 06:35 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Luminarus, your arguement is invaild, there are 6 different ways to earn Luxon/Kurz faction, so it doesn't all come from one "dedicated exploit" that exploit also does not take effort, just time.

But the effort is FOCUSED on faction.

By the 6 ways im assuming your talking about:

AB
FA
JQ
FFF
Killing in the luxon/kurz areas
Questing

1stly, AB, FA & JQ area all basically the same. Different aims, but end result its a baby pvp for faction
FFF is EFFORT because u have to sit there for hours on end.
Killing same thing
Questing - takes time and cant get a decent rank unless your prepared to take a new char through then buy a new slot/delete ur char.

As with most titles there are different ways to gain them, however this doesnt mean that there should be a generic pvp title, especially when its something you "naturally" gain from doing other forms of pvp ALL of which have their own title scheme to show success.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charr

Ever heard of KoABD?

If you read my post before replying is mentioned koabd. I said that whilst this may be considered a generic im good title, it could also be classified as a "im good at titles" title. Also, akoabd requires you to FOCUS your efforts into maxing x title, then y title etc until you get enough. The way this title has been advertised is as a title to show your experience in pvp, when you're lacking in enough of 1 title to gain that title.

As the OP stated, he was sick of people with glad title, hero title etc not being experienced. This title in NO WAY changes the probability of getting people with little experience for the same reason as those ppl with glad etc have little experience.

My argument has been that
a) This title wont change that
&
b) This title has no point.

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

26 Feb 2008 at 08:03 - 39

Be a bit more up for this if it has always maintained your total faction - but pre NF when PVP was actually ok it didn't keep track of your total faction...

I guess there would be no harm in it... I mean it's just a title...

the Puppeteer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2007

26 Feb 2008 at 08:06 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

b) This title has no point.

the thread should end here