A Pepto Skill Balance

P3pt0 1s @n @ddiction

P3pt0 1s @n @ddiction

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

Douane Nationale Francaise[DnF]

N/E

This is a Fan based Skill Balance based on experience from PVP
Changes Made are intended to balance out the usage of skills being over abused
Their is no plan known of to actually make these changes happen
Feel Free to Leave Comments and Suggestions
Additional skill changes suggestion if good enough can be added to list

Warrior

[skill]Decapitate[/skill]-Along with original effects this skill now cause cracked armor.
[skill]Belly Smash[/skill]-Reduced Recharge to 20seconds.
[skill]"I Will Avenge You!"[/skill]-Now excludes pets.
[skill]Disarm[/skill]-Increased Recharge to 15 seconds..Increased Disable

1...6sec.

[skill]Flail[/skill]-Reduced movement reduction 25%

Ranger

[skill]Archer's Signet[/skill]-Decreased recharge 30second.
[skill]Burning Arrow[/skill]-Increased Burning duration 1..5seconds.
[skill]Concussion Shot[/skill]-Decreased energy 15.
[skill]Escape[/skill]-Increase Energy 10.
[skill]Penetrating Attack[/skill]-Increased recharge 6 seconds.
[skill]Sundering Attack[/skill]-Increased recharge 6 seconds.
All Spirits in Wilderness Survival decreased Recharge 45.
Cannot equip pet with lower than 5 beast mastery.
Monk

Divine Favor Increased Bonus to 3.5
[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]-Increase energy to 10 recharge 20.
[skill]Healers Covenant[/skill]-Increased energy to 10 casting time 1 second.
[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill]-Decreased Energy to 5 Increase recharge 10 seconds.
[skill]Balthazars's Pendulem[/skill]-Increased casting time 1 sec increased recharge 10 seconds.
[skill]Holy Strike[/skill]-Increased casting time 1 sec
[skill]StoneSoul Strike[/skill]-Increased Casting time 1 second.
[skill]Purge Signet[/skill]-Decreased energy lost 5 increased recharge 25 seconds.

Necro

[skill]Cultist's Fervor[/skill]-Decreased Recharge 20seconds.
[skill]Foul Feast[/skill]-(Maximum 100) Increased.
[skill]Atrophy[/skill]-Increased duration 1...11 seconds.
[skill]Pain of Disenchantment[/skill]-Increased Damage 40...110.
[skill]Meekness[/skill]-Now Changed to."For 10-25 seconds Target Foe and all foes in area attack 50 slower and suffer 1...5 health degeneration."

Mesmer

[skill]Aneurysm[/skill]-Increased damage 1...5 (UNDER DEBATE)
[skill]Chaos Storm[/skill]-Decreased energy 10...decreased recharge 20seconds.
[skill]Shatter Hex[/skill]-Decreased energy to 10.
[skill]Clumsiness[/skill]- Now lasts for 1...7 seconds
[skill]Crippling Anguish[/skill]-Reduced Recharge 15 seconds.

[skill]Wandering Eye[/skill]-Reduced Recharge 6 seconds.
[skill]Energy Trap[/skill]-Reduced Recharge 15 seconds.

Elementalist

[skill]Shell Shock[/skill]-Increased Damage
[skill]Magnetic Aura[/skill]-Reduced Recharge 45 seconds.
[skill]Obsidian Flame[/skill]-Skill Changed to "Spell Deals 10.110 Damage."Increased recharge 15 now does not cause exaustion.
[skill]Mirror of Ice[/skill]-Now affects ether you or target ally.
[skill]Glyph of Renewal[/skill]-Increased Recharge 20 seconds.

Assasin
[skill]Shattering Assault[/skill]-Now Blockable.
[skill]Moebius Strike[/skill]-Changed to recharges if enemy bellow 40%.
[skill]Siphon Speed[/skill]-Increased Recharge 8 seconds.
[skill]Dash[/skill]-Now lasts 4 seconds increased recharge 10 seconds.
[skill]Shadow Meld[/skill]-Changed to shadow to target ally for 20 seconds.

Dervish
[skill]Ebon Dust Aura[/skill]-Increased skill casting time 1 second.

Any Furthur ideas pliz post Lets make the list longer their are many gimmicks out their.Also link this to Friends spread the word.

Bohya

Bohya

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Vabbi

Farming Crewuk [fcuk]

D/

Lol this is the opposite of what other people usualy ask. Others ask for buffs but your one of the few which is asking for complete nerfs of all the already fine skills. You only have a few decent skill changes.

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

WTS clue 1750 ambraces.

RPGmaniac

RPGmaniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

You realize if that buff to Aneurysm goes through elementalists will be all but eliminated from the game.

The assassin ones don't seem necessary

EDA should maybe get to 1 second. It's interruptible that way, but not crazy.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

There's better ways to buff Decapitate than that. I'd say, instead of "You deal x...xy...xz damage" it should be "+x...xy...xz damage". I agree with Belly Smash, but I think the IWAY thing should have been changed to "Party Members" 2 years ago. It's really not nearly as effective as it once was. Flail doesn't need a buff.


Archer's Signet needs a buff, and one waaay bigger than suggested, but you're on the right track. I don't think BA needs a buff, it's already one of the 3 best Ranger elites in game. I don't see why the other skills need nerfs at all.

Healers Boon doesn't need a nerf. Prot Spirit doesn't need a buff in the least. I agree with the Smiting Prayers and Purge Sig.

/Agree with necro stuff

Clumsiness doesn't need a buff, Ineptitude doesn't need a nerf. Aneurysm doesn't need that huge of a buff.

Please don't nerf my Glyph of Renewal. I love it too much, along with Gale on my Mesmer..... orgazzzzzzzmic.

If you made Shattering Assault blockable, it would defeat the whole purpose of the skill and fall into oblivion. I don't see a point with the Dash change, but the rest I agree with.

/Agree with Ebon Dust Aura

Fangclaw

Fangclaw

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Maguuma Jungle / Tarnished Coast

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by P3pt0 1s @n @ddiction

Cannot equip pet with lower than 5 beast mastery.

Are you joking? This would make roaming around and having fun with your pet virtually impossible.

No one but Beastmasters would be able to use a pet, wich would kill the entire purpose of it.

I agree with you on most of the Rangers stuff, except on Escape.

Captain Miken

Captain Miken

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Your pet idea is sheer stupidity.

Your Meekness would be an AoE Faintheartedness on steroids - no.

Your Clumsiness idea made me LoL, and as a Mesmer, I would love it.

RPGManiac, Eles in PvP almost all run Mind Blast, and rarely ever dip too low to be at risk of an Aneurysm death.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Your ideas suck, this thread sucks.

Stop being bad at PvP.

TheGuildWarsPenguin

TheGuildWarsPenguin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Los Angeles, California

Picnic Pioneers

E/

Balthazar's pendulum NERF?

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

In regards to Shattering Assault:

No.

Teutonic Paladin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

TW

W/

Pain of Disenchantment + Shatter Enchantment will instantly kill a Prot Spirited Warrior.

Teh [prefession]-zorz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

wisconsin

Spiders Lair Kurz [SpL]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGuildWarsPenguin
Balthazar's pendulum NERF?
yeah i stopped reading after that...

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

[skill]signet of ghostly might[/skill] - Skill reverted to its original behaviour: "After 10 seconds, target dies."

^^^^ That suggestion >>>> OP's suggestions. And that should hopefully put into context how silly the OP's list is, m'kay?

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

A/

leave shattering assault and moebius alone
you are now forever going to be hated by all sins for even thinking of nerfing our final two unerfed good elites

mrmango

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

Can alex give himself kitty awards?

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

Why would you nerf healers covenant? It's not even good outside of TA. Even there it's somewhat of a gimmick.

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
[skill]signet of ghostly might[/skill] - Skill reverted to its original behaviour: "After 10 seconds, target dies."
Now there's a solution to dealing with PuG members who over-aggro or ignore instructions.

Aera

Aera

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Galactic President Superstar Mc [awsm]

E/

Pepto, you should've posted this in the PvP section, you WILL get whine from all the PvE players here.

*cough* *cough*
Quote:
Originally Posted by P3pt0 1s @n @ddiction
Cannot equip pet with lower than 5 beast mastery.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fangclaw
Are you joking? This would make roaming around and having fun with your pet virtually impossible.

No one but Beastmasters would be able to use a pet, wich would kill the entire purpose of it.
Anyway, you can easily see Pepto is looking at it from a TA perspective, because almost all skills mentioned are overly used in TA and for the base of the gimmicks that are played there.

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Good change on the beastmaster things, and IWAY. About time it dies.

Concussion shot should NOT be buffed. 25 energy seems a lot, but with expertise, well, if you want to daze someone you'd better be prepared to sacrifice some energy for it.

Healer's Boon: No need for a nerf, it's easy enough to strip it and divert it already.

Prot spirit: ...no

The nerf on the smite skills should DEFINITELY happen. Also turn it into a spell, not a skill.

Obsidian Flame: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo way. That'd make a nice comeback to OBS Spike.

Mirror of Ice: Sure...it's still bad that way but at least it has some use.

Siphon Speed: needs a bigger nerf in recharge and energy imo. It's retardedly overpowered.

EDA: Yeeeeessssss nerf the crap out of that thing. It's not even remotely funny.

urania

urania

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

vD

Mo/

<3 the shattering assault nerf =)

least then one wouldnt be forced to make red bars go up all the time and actually make a good use of the prots. not tank mindless button mash.

EDA and HC are very nice too.

however, I dont think the change to purge is ok. its fine as it is.

overall, good changes, pepe :P

Randvek

Randvek

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Rise From the Ashes [phnx]

W/

Shattering Assault? Blockable?

Laughable.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Only good thing I see there is Siphon Speed.

The rest become either too underpowered, or are too overpowered.
And infact - some of them are already shit as it is.

But seriously, buff to Wandering Eye, Clumsiness and Ineptude? You're mad.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

When was Sundering Attack a gimmick skill?

Sure, nerf EDA a bit.

But buff Wandering Eye/Clumsiness? Lolwut

i herd sinsplit wuz gud chit

Musei Karasu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by P3pt0 1s @n @ddiction
[skill]Moebius Strike[/skill]-Changed to recharges if enemy bellow 40%.
Instead of doing that why don't you just remove the assassin's ability to play in PvE? /sarcasm

Bohya

Bohya

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Vabbi

Farming Crewuk [fcuk]

D/

Please can someone, 'Closed for obvios reasons.'

urania

urania

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

vD

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Musei Karasu
Instead of doing that why don't you just remove the assassin's ability to play in PvE? /sarcasm
sins had an ability to play in pve? =p

as far as HC abuse is concerned, it was abused in gvg too, just not that often as it is abused in ta...yet =P
ive said it a few times already and i will say it again...promoting a strictly and only "MAKE RED BARS GO UP" strategy was, is and always will be a bad strategy and a bad influence for the game and that is exactly what a few vital skills in pepe's nerf list do.
it WILL be complained about such things, if u like it or not. hopefully, sth will be done against it too, at the end.

as pepe already said tho, the "oh no i cant run around with me pet anymore, boohoohoo" whine is pretty priceless.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bohya
Please can someone, 'Closed for obvios reasons.'
nah, if anything, moving it to the pvp section would be good to get just a bit more constructive feedback.

C2K

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
When was Sundering Attack a gimmick skill?
I'm curious as well. I never seen it used outside of RA or AB.

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by C2K
I'm curious as well. I never seen it used outside of RA or AB.
Town ran it once and beat noGG. lol at Celly and Moko.

Quote:
Originally Posted by urania
nah, if anything, moving it to the pvp section would be good to get just a bit more constructive feedback.
If this gets moved to PvP section, it's going to get nuked by Moko

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

Buffing the best PvE Warrior IAS... flurry and tiger's stance are way higher up the list than this.

Balthazars Pendulum? It should be 'For x...y seconds, whenever you would have been knocked down, all foes in the area (or suitable AoE) are knocked down instead. This enchantment ends prematurely if a total of w...z foes have been knocked down'.

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

And this is why we leave this up to Anet, you as the player have no idea how to balance skills.

NamelessBeauty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI

Mo/

Do you notice that 6s Clumsiness is a total dumbness of you? MoR ? GG

Most of your changes are not relavent lol! Leave it to Anet.!

urania

urania

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

vD

Mo/

i think the fact it has been left to anet is one of the reasons why the game is pretty much dead now.

at least the pvp part of gw, that is.

P3pt0 1s @n @ddiction

P3pt0 1s @n @ddiction

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

Douane Nationale Francaise[DnF]

N/E

I can see why Gw is they way it is because 90% of the players are idiots all their is left is for the pro 10% of population to Farm the 90% of idiots playing the game. I will continue to own the idiots and anet will not nerf the skills because they know that noobs need something to play too.

The Real Avalon

The Real Avalon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Belgium, Ostend.

Mo/A

well, if you play TA, this balance makes sense, if you don't it doesn't, simple as that

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Ok, well, just because some of us don't like TA doesn't mean we're PvE scrubs.

I hope Pepto's native language is not english

Gift3d

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

The only one i really agree with is the IWAY one. Leave the balancing to ANet :\

*Paris*

*Paris*

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by P3pt0 1s @n @ddiction
This is a Fan based Skill Balance based on experience from PVP
Changes Made are intended to balance out the usage of skills being over abused
Their is no plan known of to actually make these changes happen
Feel Free to Leave Comments and Suggestions
Additional skill changes suggestion if good enough can be added to list

Warrior

[skill]Decapitate[/skill]-Along with original effects this skill now cause cracked armor.
[skill]Belly Smash[/skill]-Reduced Recharge to 20seconds.
[skill]"I Will Avenge You!"[/skill]-Now excludes pets.
[skill]Disarm[/skill]-Increased Recharge to 15 seconds..Increased Disable

1...6sec.

[skill]Flail[/skill]-Reduced movement reduction 25%

Ranger

[skill]Archer's Signet[/skill]-Decreased recharge 30second.
[skill]Burning Arrow[/skill]-Increased Burning duration 1..5seconds.
[skill]Concussion Shot[/skill]-Decreased energy 15.
[skill]Escape[/skill]-Increase Energy 10.
[skill]Penetrating Attack[/skill]-Increased recharge 6 seconds.
[skill]Sundering Attack[/skill]-Increased recharge 6 seconds.
All Spirits in Wilderness Survival decreased Recharge 45.
Cannot equip pet with lower than 5 beast mastery.
Monk

Divine Favor Increased Bonus to 3.5
[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]-Increase energy to 10 recharge 20.
[skill]Healers Covenant[/skill]-Increased energy to 10 casting time 1 second.
[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill]-Decreased Energy to 5 Increase recharge 10 seconds.
[skill]Balthazars's Pendulem[/skill]-Increased casting time 1 sec increased recharge 10 seconds.
[skill]Holy Strike[/skill]-Increased casting time 1 sec
[skill]StoneSoul Strike[/skill]-Increased Casting time 1 second.
[skill]Purge Signet[/skill]-Decreased energy lost 5 increased recharge 25 seconds.

Necro

[skill]Cultist's Fervor[/skill]-Decreased Recharge 20seconds.
[skill]Foul Feast[/skill]-(Maximum 100) Increased.
[skill]Atrophy[/skill]-Increased duration 1...11 seconds.
[skill]Pain of Disenchantment[/skill]-Increased Damage 40...110.
[skill]Meekness[/skill]-Now Changed to."For 10-25 seconds Target Foe and all foes in area attack 50 slower and suffer 1...5 health degeneration."

Mesmer

[skill]Aneurysm[/skill]-Increased damage 1...5 (UNDER DEBATE)
[skill]Chaos Storm[/skill]-Decreased energy 10...decreased recharge 20seconds.
[skill]Shatter Hex[/skill]-Decreased energy to 10.
[skill]Clumsiness[/skill]- Now lasts for 1...7 seconds
[skill]Crippling Anguish[/skill]-Reduced Recharge 15 seconds.

[skill]Wandering Eye[/skill]-Reduced Recharge 6 seconds.
[skill]Energy Trap[/skill]-Reduced Recharge 15 seconds.

Elementalist

[skill]Shell Shock[/skill]-Increased Damage
[skill]Magnetic Aura[/skill]-Reduced Recharge 45 seconds.
[skill]Obsidian Flame[/skill]-Skill Changed to "Spell Deals 10.110 Damage."Increased recharge 15 now does not cause exaustion.
[skill]Mirror of Ice[/skill]-Now affects ether you or target ally.
[skill]Glyph of Renewal[/skill]-Increased Recharge 20 seconds.

Assasin
[skill]Shattering Assault[/skill]-Now Blockable.
[skill]Moebius Strike[/skill]-Changed to recharges if enemy bellow 40%.
[skill]Siphon Speed[/skill]-Increased Recharge 8 seconds.
[skill]Dash[/skill]-Now lasts 4 seconds increased recharge 10 seconds.
[skill]Shadow Meld[/skill]-Changed to shadow to target ally for 20 seconds.

Dervish
[skill]Ebon Dust Aura[/skill]-Increased skill casting time 1 second.

Any Furthur ideas pliz post Lets make the list longer their are many gimmicks out their.Also link this to Friends spread the word.
Click Here Please

Fangclaw

Fangclaw

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Maguuma Jungle / Tarnished Coast

R/

Can we have constructive posts instead of Flaming/Trolling please...?

I still not agree with most changes to the ranger skills (especially the beast mastery thing)

Only sundering/penetrating atk and Burning arrow makes sense to me.


As for [skill]Concussion Shot[/skill] make the energy cost at 20, that'll be fair then.

greenreaper3

greenreaper3

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

ign: Cytherea of Athens

We Made Mallyx Tap [Out]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by P3pt0 1s @n @ddiction[B
Cannot equip pet with lower than 5 beast mastery.[/B]
i have one reason why they wont do this... pre...

one of the quest is to get a pet...why would they let u have a pet, if u cant use it?

Fangclaw

Fangclaw

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Maguuma Jungle / Tarnished Coast

R/

not just pre-searing actually, in any of the campaigns early on you can (or must if its a quest) charm a pet. Most of them arent lvl 5 at that point.

But good point...

*Paris*

*Paris*

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fangclaw
Can we have constructive posts instead of Flaming/Trolling please...?

I still not agree with most changes to the ranger skills (especially the beast mastery thing)

Only sundering/penetrating atk and Burning arrow makes sense to me.


As for [skill]Concussion Shot[/skill] make the energy cost at 20, that'll be fair then.
I tried to be constructive at first, but there was just no way I could pass up the opportunity to not sugar coat things for once and tell it like it is. These "nerfs" are pretty bad, don't lie. But, if I must be constructive how about....his buff to Meekness? If his changes were made, it would have to be an elite and put at 25 energy, because that skill alone is enough to make mesmer players mad (seeing how the change would seem to make it more like a mesmer skill). Also, BA is overpowered enough as it is, I can't see how anyone could think it was in need in of a buff.... Oh, btw, there are no 20 energy skills in GW.