Nerf FoW / Underworld

FrAnt1c??

FrAnt1c??

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Legion Of Sacred Light [LSL]

Mo/

26 Feb 2008 at 20:34 - 1
Hey everyone,

Because of the numerous amounts of players grinding their titles, "The Gods" have granted us ( last time I checked ) ~26300 minutes of favor. I think this is just stupid, The underworld and The Fissure of Woe are supposed to be elite area's, which can only be accessed if you are granted the favor, but these days it's always ( for at least 18 consecutive days atm ) accessible.
This affects many things, ecto/shard prices drop, the UW and FoW scrolls have absolutely no use anymore. And most of all the esteem that these area's once had, is rapidly declining...

So I suggest the following:
- The amount of extra minutes gained, from someone reaching a max title is reduced.
- We return to the old system, where if someone in HoH has 5 consecutive wins, "The Gods" grant an hour ( or half an hour ) of UW/FoW playtime. But offcourse this would be no longer territory-based.
- Everytime someone has finished a complete book ( hero's handbook/dungeon guide ) and hands it in, you get 5 minutes of favor for a normal mode one and 10 minutes for a hard mode one.

Offcourse there are many other options possible, these are only examples, but it is clear in my opinion that something has to be done, because this is getting rediculous. If next weekend is another double lb/ss point weekend, the amount of minutes becomes even higher and even more stupid...


Anyhow, I felt like this had to be said,

Regards, Frantic.

ps: Sorry about any spelling mistakes or whatever, English is not my native language

Rash

Rash

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Join Date: Feb 2008

YTDK

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26 Feb 2008 at 20:36 - 2
Yeah, well, then you meant "buff" FoW / Underworld.

Numa Pompilius

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26 Feb 2008 at 20:39 - 3
Why?

Restricted access is a stupid idea to begin with if it's the difficulty of the area that makes it "elite".
Possibly there was a good idea somewhere in there, a reward for PvE players or a reason for PvP and PvE players to cooperate, but it didn't work out, and the restricted access silliness should be removed all together. It definitely does not need to be made more air tight.

/unsigned.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

26 Feb 2008 at 20:42 - 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rash
Yeah, well, then you meant "buff" FoW / Underworld.
It's not really a nerf or buff...

Nerf: It will be (alot) harder to get into UW/FoW again, however, Ecto's etc will go up again, thus nerf and buff...

/signed

Alex the Great

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26 Feb 2008 at 20:52 - 5
thats stupid, i want to play the game, not worry about ecto prices


get off your greed trip and don't interfere with my playing!!

Narcin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/

26 Feb 2008 at 20:58 - 6
i guess you havent payed attention to ecto/shard prices then because they havent really moved. and anyway holding halls five times, while possible, is HIGHLY unlikely. i've only done that once, and it usually only happens during "noob hour". and if you REALLY want UW/FoW back then nerf ursan.... but thats another issue.

Artorius.Maximus

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Join Date: Jan 2008

Rising Rebellion

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26 Feb 2008 at 21:02 - 7
The system works as is. The problem is that roughly one month ago there was a double lightbringer/sunspear point weekend which we have been riding the favor of since. The counter has gone down by almost 10,000 minutes over that month, it will get back to 0 on its own. The only thing that Anet should do (if anything) is just reset the counter to 0, which they did halfwy through that weekend, or we would have had roughly 60,000 minutes of favor. I disagree with this idea though because if the players put in the time for their title, then they should still get the reward of access to UW/FoW. Prior to that double weekend there were times when we did not have favor.

Favor should never again be tied to HA as events there have absolutely nothing to do with PvE events.

/notsigned

Div

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Where I can eat yumy food

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26 Feb 2008 at 21:13 - 8
People cried when there wasn't favor before. I doubt they'll sign something that's going to return to that stage.

Narcin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/

26 Feb 2008 at 21:21 - 9
actually while its true that it did reset half way through the weekend, that was, for the most part, unintentional. The counter has a limit of 36k minutes and wasnt made to go up that high.

disaster422

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26 Feb 2008 at 21:23 - 10
stupid suggestion imo. like divine said, people kept complaining, omg omg omg i cant get into UW wtf am i gonna do. Now there's too much time so now you're saying wow i have TOO much favor. God, people can never be satisfied these days. It's one or the other, there's no middle here...

Plus you're complaining about ecto and shard prices? U even kidding me? Ectos have been around 5k, shards around 2k for the past months and months...seriously, they fluxuate every once in a while, then they stabilize back to 5k and 2k.

UW and FoW is an elite area, how is it not? Try going into fow with a party of wammos with mending and shit like that. not gonna work. You need a party, that knows what they're doing and how to do the quests etc. to clear it, and or farm it. Same with UW, try going in there with a 55 monk with some crappy build. Not gonna work. You need skill to play these areas whether they're open or not. Not like the enemy AI is changing everytime we get favor.

/unsigned

The Legg

The Legg

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N/Me

26 Feb 2008 at 21:27 - 11
/unsigned

the uproar that occured when anet reset the favour during the double lb/sunspear weekend means that we actually have less minutes of favor that we should have right now.

These are great times for playing uw/fow, always groups forming, it has not been as busy in ToA since before factions came out.

Lets hope eternal favor continues for a long time to come.

Nanood

Nanood

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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26 Feb 2008 at 21:40 - 12
All the elite areas should be opened up for level 20 players IMO.

Artorius.Maximus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rising Rebellion

E/

26 Feb 2008 at 21:52 - 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanood
All the elite areas should be opened up for level 20 players IMO.
They used to be, actually less. Then the requirement to be ascended was added to the entry. Granted you can still enter at less as long as you ascend first.

Captain Miken

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26 Feb 2008 at 21:59 - 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²
We return to the old system, where if someone in HoH has 5 consecutive wins, "The Gods" grant an hour






60 minutes/5 wins = 12 minutes

1 HA match = 12 minutes

So every one hour, 5 matches will be won, and we will have constant favour.

rick1027

rick1027

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/R

26 Feb 2008 at 22:07 - 15
insigned i like the access how it is now. never liked waiting for hours to hope to play an area that i felt should have given access all the time

kazjun

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W/N

26 Feb 2008 at 22:25 - 16
/unsigned

Just wait till the SS/LB weekend is worked off and you'll be back to 0 minutes soon enough.

izzywish

izzywish

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26 Feb 2008 at 22:31 - 17
With the old system if you happened to play at a time that didn't fit in with other players it was REALLY hard to get into UW/FoW. My Guild was once made up of players who only played in the wee small hours, so the updated favour system was a blessing (no PUN intended). Also getting into these areas never proved anything about your skill, it's 'completing' them that to a certain extent does. /Not Signed

FengShuiDove

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26 Feb 2008 at 22:34 - 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²
So I suggest the following:
- Everytime someone has finished a complete book ( hero's handbook/dungeon guide ) and hands it in, you get 5 minutes of favor for a normal mode one and 10 minutes for a hard mode one.
This seems abusable. To say the least. You'll get favor spikes similar to the one now, only unconditionally (not based on a 2x-3x weekend).

Fleeting

Fleeting

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Join Date: Feb 2008

Mo/

26 Feb 2008 at 22:48 - 19
/unsigned

Greed isn't a good reason to change the system back to the garbage that it used to be. Some of us couldn't get into UW/FoW until 1am before, and even then, we'd lose favor minutes later.

Kattar

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26 Feb 2008 at 22:52 - 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Miken
60 minutes/5 wins = 12 minutes

1 HA match = 12 minutes

So every one hour, 5 matches will be won, and we will have constant favour.
Heh, you obviously didn't play when the old system was in place. USA by no means owned HA.

Depends on the time you play during the day as well.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

26 Feb 2008 at 22:58 - 21
Hmm, looks like you may need to cry more if it's a double gwen points weekend. Cause the whole population maxing 2 titles<the whole population maxing 4 titles. Course, you may get lucky and favour might reset to some really low number.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

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R/Mo

26 Feb 2008 at 22:59 - 22
I personally hate waiting with like, 3 other people to do a ranger trapping group waiting to get favor. I like the current system. It isn't as if FoW/UW is hard, it's definitely no harder than an HM mission (which is fairly easy). I don't think any area should be "exclusive", especially PvE.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

26 Feb 2008 at 23:39 - 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²
old system

HoH
GTFO

/notsigned

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

27 Feb 2008 at 00:05 - 24
/notsigned
A.net's current favor system is basically the abolishment of the favor system. They knew that the old region vs region set up was stupid. It didn't motivate people to co-operate between PvE and PvP. It just lead to a lot of racism and hate (stupid Europeans/Americans/Asians having favor now, blah blah blah). The system they have now is a white flag to never return to the old system.

FrAnt1c??

FrAnt1c??

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Legion Of Sacred Light [LSL]

Mo/

27 Feb 2008 at 00:51 - 25
People that are saying they dont like to wait: Why did Anet come up with those passage scrolls in the first place then?

Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

27 Feb 2008 at 01:28 - 26
ur only with one thing right imo...

entry scrolls are useless now, unless you want to have real free entry, not paying the 1 plat ....


the whole system around those elite areas is imo fail, due to the missing realms of the other gods from the begin on...

however, atm I think, anet could give those scrolls a new meaning, making out of them some special magic scrolls, which would give the party UW/Deep/Urgoz special party buffs or so for some short durations ..

this way the scrolls would receive again soem value back they had once.


For Example:

Scroll of the Underground:
For the next 10 Minutes won't receive Party members any Death Malus, when they die and the Special Effects of all Profession's primary attributes are increased by 50%.
means for example, a Necromancer receives 50% more Energy, when something dies, from his Soul Reapiung Attribute, Max Energy of Eles gets increased by 50% of their Energy Storage Attribute and so on....

Scroll of the Deep: For the next 10 Minutes, your party can't be interupted or knock downed. Whenever someone of you would usually get interrupted or knock downed, all nearby foes to that party member will receive 10% of their Max HP as damage

Scroll of Urgoz: For the next 10 Minutes will receive all party members an additional Energy regeneration of +1 and will receive 15 HP heals/second, when they move around + an additional bonus of +20 Defense against Elemental Damage


something like that could be then new effects of those scrolls, those effects would work then also only in those elite ares, fittign to the names.

so no underworld scroll effects in the deep ect.

with such effects at least those scrolls would be again in the game with some value due to the perma entrance makign them useless

Artorius.Maximus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rising Rebellion

E/

27 Feb 2008 at 01:45 - 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears
ur only with one thing right imo...

entry scrolls are useless now, unless you want to have real free entry, not paying the 1 plat ....


the whole system around those elite areas is imo fail, due to the missing realms of the other gods from the begin on...

however, atm I think, anet could give those scrolls a new meaning, making out of them some special magic scrolls, which would give the party UW/Deep/Urgoz special party buffs or so for some short durations ..

this way the scrolls would receive again soem value back they had once.


For Example:

Scroll of the Underground:
For the next 10 Minutes won't receive Party members any Death Malus, when they die and the Special Effects of all Profession's primary attributes are increased by 50%.
means for example, a Necromancer receives 50% more Energy, when something dies, from his Soul Reapiung Attribute, Max Energy of Eles gets increased by 50% of their Energy Storage Attribute and so on....

Scroll of the Deep: For the next 10 Minutes, your party can't be interupted or knock downed. Whenever someone of you would usually get interrupted or knock downed, all nearby foes to that party member will receive 10% of their Max HP as damage

Scroll of Urgoz: For the next 10 Minutes will receive all party members an additional Energy regeneration of +1 and will receive 15 HP heals/second, when they move around + an additional bonus of +20 Defense against Elemental Damage


something like that could be then new effects of those scrolls, those effects would work then also only in those elite ares, fittign to the names.

so no underworld scroll effects in the deep ect.

with such effects at least those scrolls would be again in the game with some value due to the perma entrance makign them useless
I agree this would add value to the scrolls. It would also completely nerf those areas (or cause Anet to buff them as a balance to the scrolls). Anet has already given us consumables with EOTN, there is no need for additional benefits. As stated, once permafavor wears off (which I hope it never does) the scrolls will be used to get into those areas again. As far as the Deep and Urgoz scrolls go, unless you are in the alliance that owns Cavalon/HzH you cannot get to those missions (except using the old Ferry system).

thor hammerbane

thor hammerbane

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27 Feb 2008 at 01:51 - 28
Lower the minutes from the titles, but old system wasn't too fun. These areas are still elite, but now they are accessible all of the time. doesn't make them harder or easier. As for the mat drop, it's not the constant favor, but the ursan.

I played during the old system, and I did not like it one bit. The only time america won halls was near midnight in my timezone, so i could only do UW/FoW those few times i was up that late. Now, i can go whenever and have a good time.

so..signed 50%, not signed 50%. Keep system, but make it less minutes per title.

Alex Morningstar

Alex Morningstar

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Mo/

27 Feb 2008 at 01:52 - 29
You think it's bad now, think about it this way. When it gets closer and closer to GW2, less people are going to play GW, unless some new content comes out between now and then, people are going to get bored.

The minutes for FoW will dwindle down eventually. And once they do, I don't see them coming back up. Enjoy it while it lasts. Yeah, it may last several months, or even longer and to those of you that are youngin's, that may seem like forever, but considering that will be it... Yeah.

And that isn't to say everyone that quits playing GW will quit to play GW2, it's saying people will quit playing because the player base is shrinking and you can only do the same content over and over without getting bored.

FrAnt1c??

FrAnt1c??

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Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Legion Of Sacred Light [LSL]

Mo/

27 Feb 2008 at 01:56 - 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by thor hammerbane

I played during the old system, and I did not like it one bit. The only time america won halls was near midnight in my timezone, so i could only do UW/FoW those few times i was up that late. Now, i can go whenever and have a good time.
And that, my friend, is where the scrolls kick in

Sergeant of Marines

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Japan

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Mo/

27 Feb 2008 at 01:56 - 31
/unsigned

People do what they want to
You do What you want to

The Meth

The Meth

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Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

27 Feb 2008 at 01:59 - 32
You have my 100% unqualified support. I SURE want to restrict myself from ever being able to go to UW and FoW again. What were they thinking? I would just love to grind for titles and/or wait for the nubs of the day to win HoH.
















^This is sarcasm btw

FrAnt1c??

FrAnt1c??

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Legion Of Sacred Light [LSL]

Mo/

27 Feb 2008 at 02:05 - 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Meth
You have my 100% unqualified support. I SURE want to restrict myself from ever being able to go to UW and FoW again. What were they thinking? I would just love to grind for titles and/or wait for the nubs of the day to win HoH.

^This is sarcasm btw
Don't want to wait/grind?

BUY A SCROLL!


^Not sarcasm, kthxbye...


But what the heck, close this thread, I can see where this is going.... whatever...

Pleikki

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???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

27 Feb 2008 at 07:02 - 34
/signed get favor away and nerf droprate

Abedeus

Abedeus

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R/

27 Feb 2008 at 07:58 - 35
/signed make monsters drop only 5g, so you have to kill 200 monsters to get 1k.

Sol Deathgard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

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W/N

27 Feb 2008 at 08:35 - 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killed u man
It's not really a nerf or buff...

Nerf: It will be (alot) harder to get into UW/FoW again, however, Ecto's etc will go up again, thus nerf and buff...

/signed
been hearing that argument for over a year, long before the favor system was changed ecto prices dropped to the current trader price of 5.5k. It has stayed at that price since the favor change, having had what? 4 or 5 weeks of constant favor hasn't really affected it at all.
Here's the reason ecto prices have fallen for all you that are too busy looking over your noses at the favor system to see it. Most everyone that wants FoW armor has it. there where no new classes introduced in Gwen mainly cause the pvpers cried that new classes ruin the balance. (honestly if you are too dumb to read what skills do & make counters that's on you) The chaos gloves wheren't all that popular, a few people worked on them. Now adays ecto is used for nothing more then 100k+ trades, nothing more, nothing less. restricting access will not change that, the only thing that will is if new classes are introduced to GW which will not happen since the next release is gonna be GW2.

Stop crying about the imaginary economy that none of you will give a flying monkey's butt about in about 1 yr, and play the freaking game children.

bathazard

bathazard

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27 Feb 2008 at 08:56 - 37
ummmm why post this thread when 99.9999999999999(reacuring)% will say OMFG DON'T NURF UNDERWORLD FOW !!!1!11!!!!

ragnagard

ragnagard

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In Spain, of course

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N/Mo

27 Feb 2008 at 09:45 - 38
Nerf it? Why not put a 2k fee for entrance too? ¬¬

It has a poor drop right now, and you have to pay a fee to enter. It's just like a cinema you have to go in. Entrance fee, bad film.

But I like to do something about the scrolls i have....

anyways... /notsigned

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artorius.Maximus
yak yak yak... The counter has gone down by almost 10,000 minutes over that month, it will get back to 0 on its own. The only thing that Anet should do (if anything) is just reset the counter to 0, which they did halfwy through that weekend, or we would have had roughly 60,000 minutes of favor. yak yak yak
Looks like anyone but me knows (or i havent read it).... i will tell it. The favor system was reseted to 0 that weekend. more exactly, on the saturday evening (GMT+1).I have a SS showing:

"gained max title blablah
gained max title...
this territory has lost....
this territory has lost....
19 titles left to get...."

^^

Looks like Anet has a variable with a cap of XXXXX mins xD and it got overflowed :P

Pleikki

Pleikki

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???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

27 Feb 2008 at 12:43 - 39
and yeah it would be awesome go back like it used be Favor from Hoh and its like euro got favor, america korea etc

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

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E/

27 Feb 2008 at 14:54 - 40
XDDDD
Yeah, 'supposed to be elite areas'.
When we have favor, the Avatars still require scrolls or gold to go down there.

If people are given things... some complain, if people are not given things... even more complain...

Sorrow's Furnace, The Tombs, Urgoz, the Deep, the Anguish and the Slaver's are also 'elite' or 'after end-game' areas, but they have no limitations in entrances.

That's completely normal.

Anyways, it would never affect me. Since I started playing more that 2 years ago, Europe always had the Favor while I was paying (that is, anytime since 13 a.m. to 2a.m. GMT+1, and up to 5a.m. on Weekends nights), that left... let's see... around 8 hours for the rest of the world. Nice, eh?