BIG /not signed
Just because people participate in tournaments doesn't make them any better than people who make predictions regarding said tournaments, therefore everyone should get the keys they deserve via the XTH.
If you vote, you get points based on how well you voted. Not all of us hit the random button just for the chance at one free key; some of us do go into observation mode and think hard about our predictions. Fair's fair, and everyone should get their points; don't delete the XTH, it gives us something to look forward to while waiting for Guild Wars 2.
And also, not everyone who gets Zaishen keys sells them. I used all mine to get to rank 3 so I could get the statue; after that, I stopped because I never got anything good from the chest anyway, so now they get sold. And as for the Nightfall treasure comment, those things reset once a month if you're lucky and you get maybe 500 gold and a lousy purple out of them. That's hardly balanced with the PVPers getting all the Zaishen keys.
Get rid of Xunlai Tournament House
Tender Wolf
rick1027
whats its done for me i watch matches now never cared at all for pvp gvg before its sparked interest in doing more pvp. ive learned a little not a lot but i have learned somethings. as for people saying free money i use my keys that i get so /unsigned without id hate pvp and wouldnt care a lick about it now im thinking of doing more pvp and getting better
upier
I am pretty sure that's exactly what the game needs now.
Less options to keep us interested!
Less options to keep us interested!
lilDeath
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Why take away an in-game value-added future that enables players to be more actively involved and interested in the high-end PvP aspect of the game?
There are quite a few players that cannot / do not take part in high-end PvP. This gives them something back too.
High-end PvP players still get more rewards, which I believe is justified too.
Why take away an in-game value-added future that enables players to be more actively involved and interested in the high-end PvP aspect of the game?
There are quite a few players that cannot / do not take part in high-end PvP. This gives them something back too.
High-end PvP players still get more rewards, which I believe is justified too.
slowerpoke
yes, lets remove what little interest one side of the playerbase has for the other
srsly y so butthurt about the XTH, pvpers?
inb4 hurr durr didnt earn it, got em for free
srsly y so butthurt about the XTH, pvpers?
inb4 hurr durr didnt earn it, got em for free
Still Number One
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So it isn't the PvPers who want this gone. It is mainly PvE farmers who don't like people getting rich for making predictions when they have to bore themselves for hours to make their money.
Tender Wolf
^^^ Why don't the farmers just get the points then instead of boring themselves to death grinding? 
Copenhagen Master
I like the idea but lately with all the problems, the LAG!!!!, etc... I say do away with it. Z-keys are a PvP reward that can be used for PvE items. I PvE mainly,and I still say do away with it. It is totally useless. Plus if people want those keys make them earn them and learn how to PvP, who knows they may actually like to PvP more often
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Tender Wolf
ANet shouldn't "make" people do anything. If someone doesn't want to PVP they shouldn't be deprived of the same rewards PVP players get (and they still get more).
Some us hate PVP because it gets repetitive. Alliance battles? Maybe it's just me but whenever I do that the other team always wins no matter what side I'm on. RA? That's a major pain, and every single time I get a noob team that doesn't understand the concept of getting the monk first. Same with TA no matter what builds are used, and I haven't even unlocked HA. So yeah, don't make people PVP if they don't want to; PVErs deserve the same rewards as PVP players do. If Guild Wars wanted to be focused only on PVP they wouldn't have bothered adding in all the storylines and quests and put so much thought into PVE.
Some us hate PVP because it gets repetitive. Alliance battles? Maybe it's just me but whenever I do that the other team always wins no matter what side I'm on. RA? That's a major pain, and every single time I get a noob team that doesn't understand the concept of getting the monk first. Same with TA no matter what builds are used, and I haven't even unlocked HA. So yeah, don't make people PVP if they don't want to; PVErs deserve the same rewards as PVP players do. If Guild Wars wanted to be focused only on PVP they wouldn't have bothered adding in all the storylines and quests and put so much thought into PVE.
Kook~NBK~
/not signed. The XTH gives PvE players a reason to take an interest in the PvP side of things.
Anything that helps mend the fractured GW community - Z-quests, Nicholas, XTH, etc., is fine by me.
P.S. - I don't sell my keys, I use 'em. Must have Creme Brule's! SUGAR! MORE SUGAR!!! NOW, NOW, NOW!!!!
Anything that helps mend the fractured GW community - Z-quests, Nicholas, XTH, etc., is fine by me.
P.S. - I don't sell my keys, I use 'em. Must have Creme Brule's! SUGAR! MORE SUGAR!!! NOW, NOW, NOW!!!!
pumpkin pie
XTH Rewards is a Reward for All Players who take the trouble to visits GW webpage to make the prediction, a reward for All Players who bother to log into the game every month to redeem their points.
It has nothing to do with how good a player is in PvE or PvP, its a Reward for every player who has the game, knows how to log in to the webpage to make prediction and redeem the points at the end of the tournament cycle. If you don't like the XTH, rally all the GvG players and stop playing. Then there will be no prediction to make.
As for getting rid of XTH, nah. Its a very good idea to keep players coming back month after month after month after month, it is also part of why Arena Net's PvP is the best e-sport, in fact, the only e-sport that involves a mmorpg/corpg game.
Sorry, cannot support your wish. /NOT SIGNED
It has nothing to do with how good a player is in PvE or PvP, its a Reward for every player who has the game, knows how to log in to the webpage to make prediction and redeem the points at the end of the tournament cycle. If you don't like the XTH, rally all the GvG players and stop playing. Then there will be no prediction to make.
As for getting rid of XTH, nah. Its a very good idea to keep players coming back month after month after month after month, it is also part of why Arena Net's PvP is the best e-sport, in fact, the only e-sport that involves a mmorpg/corpg game.
Sorry, cannot support your wish. /NOT SIGNED
Clone
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But, with that said, they do need to spend some time fixing it. The thing seems like it is broken for people half the time, and I'm getting the vibe that Anet is a bit incompetent with this thing. See http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10383122 if you don't know what I'm talking about.
If they don't (or can't) fix it, then it ends up frustrating people just as often as it does adding to the game, and probably should be closed. And though I know it is free, it still shouldn't be broken. I mean, if I gave someone a free cookie, then I gave the next guy a free cookie with shards of glass sticking out of it, should that guy really be happy because it was free?
But, with that said, they do need to spend some time fixing it. The thing seems like it is broken for people half the time, and I'm getting the vibe that Anet is a bit incompetent with this thing. See http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10383122 if you don't know what I'm talking about.
If they don't (or can't) fix it, then it ends up frustrating people just as often as it does adding to the game, and probably should be closed. And though I know it is free, it still shouldn't be broken. I mean, if I gave someone a free cookie, then I gave the next guy a free cookie with shards of glass sticking out of it, should that guy really be happy because it was free?
Minami
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I love observing, making notes, and voting. I would have never done this, had it not been for the XTH to get me involved.
I've never been a fan of PvP, but since I started voting in the XTH and discovering PvP, I've been playing HA and other PvP stuff that I would not have even glanced at.
I use my zkeys, at least until I get r3. After that I will sell them. It is so very nice to be able to make a little money without having to grind my butt off in any PvE area. I would like to work on my HoM, and without money, it's very tough if not impossible. I'm not about to grind for months on end just to be able to buy an elite armor (like my vabbian... OMG that cost me a LOT of money and time, and I wasn't doing XTH or SCs or anything like that at the time).
I love observing, making notes, and voting. I would have never done this, had it not been for the XTH to get me involved.
I've never been a fan of PvP, but since I started voting in the XTH and discovering PvP, I've been playing HA and other PvP stuff that I would not have even glanced at.
I use my zkeys, at least until I get r3. After that I will sell them. It is so very nice to be able to make a little money without having to grind my butt off in any PvE area. I would like to work on my HoM, and without money, it's very tough if not impossible. I'm not about to grind for months on end just to be able to buy an elite armor (like my vabbian... OMG that cost me a LOT of money and time, and I wasn't doing XTH or SCs or anything like that at the time).
phoenixtech
XTH generates $$$ for ANET by selling accounts, they would never get rid of it.
rick1027
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/notsigned
But, with that said, they do need to spend some time fixing it. The thing seems like it is broken for people half the time, and I'm getting the vibe that Anet is a bit incompetent with this thing. See http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10383122 if you don't know what I'm talking about. If they don't (or can't) fix it, then it ends up frustrating people just as often as it does adding to the game, and probably should be closed. And though I know it is free, it still shouldn't be broken. I mean, if I gave someone a free cookie, then I gave the next guy a free cookie with shards of glass sticking out of it, should that guy really be happy because it was free? |
Hyperventilate
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I'm sure A-net is raking in the dough with the spare accounts. I know people with 10+ accounts now. Some months, these people make a killing. I enjoy my free points and I hope they don't get rid of it (Although I don't see why they would).
It doesn't hurt anyone. It lags a bit, sure, nobody "earned" the points. But I'm sure people enjoy guessing at placements and I'm sure the guilds enjoy hearing about where they were placed by other people.
I'm sure A-net is raking in the dough with the spare accounts. I know people with 10+ accounts now. Some months, these people make a killing. I enjoy my free points and I hope they don't get rid of it (Although I don't see why they would).
It doesn't hurt anyone. It lags a bit, sure, nobody "earned" the points. But I'm sure people enjoy guessing at placements and I'm sure the guilds enjoy hearing about where they were placed by other people.
refer
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Honestly, I really just don't like the Xunlai Tournament House. Seriously, all it does is reward players that aren't good enough to AT with Reward Points. The way I see it, the name should mean what they are. They're "REWARD POINTS" not "RANDOM POINTS" or something. The XTH just gives them out for mostly people that just random guess who's gonna win the GvG/HB tourney. If they're going to give out points for that, they might as well give players that don't PvP free gold every once in a while. I think that would balance it out.
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Zkeys I couldn't care less about. Who needs more gold anyways? I also dislike farming the title... they should make traded Zkeys not count towards it.
Shasgaliel
What free gold? I treat it as a game in a game. I like betting and it is fun to see if your "betting system" was correct. It would be less fun if there would be no rewards for placing correct bets. Then there is another lottery: I take my winnings change them into zkeys and I have another fun checking what goes out from the chest. This really nice part of this game atm and I do not want to have it remove it. I do not mind if someone makes z-keys untradable but leave XTH alone or you will have this game more empty than it is now.
Arkantos
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ANet shouldn't "make" people do anything. If someone doesn't want to PVP they shouldn't be deprived of the same rewards PVP players get (and they still get more).
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XTH generates $$$ for ANET by selling accounts, they would never get rid of it.
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HuntMaster Avatar
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Because I like it and removing it would only hurt the game. You can't introduce something neat like that and then remove it. Especially when it doesn't break the game. I look forward to getting some free keys whenever I can make my predictions and all that. Never done it, looking forward to it.
Plus its nice making money off OTHER peoples work. lol. So thanks for the free loot!
Because I like it and removing it would only hurt the game. You can't introduce something neat like that and then remove it. Especially when it doesn't break the game. I look forward to getting some free keys whenever I can make my predictions and all that. Never done it, looking forward to it.
Plus its nice making money off OTHER peoples work. lol. So thanks for the free loot!
Shadowhaze
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Pretty much sums it up.
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This sounds like a rant from some "experienced" PvPer who thinks us PvE-ers and "inexperienced" PvPers do not deserve tournament points. You guys can make predictions too, so it's fair for everyone. The system is fine the way it is currently, it sounds like the only reason you want to get rid of this is so only tournament players can get points. That's being called greedy. Greediness is bad. Therefore you are bad. Case closed. Besides, why be greedy and hog the Zaishen Keys to yourselves? :P |
MithranArkanere
You should be aware that those that make good predictions (or are in contact with good predictors) have more chances to get points.
So, they are not exactly 'free'. You must either be lucky or spend time looking for info or watching the players themselves.
So, they are not exactly 'free'. You must either be lucky or spend time looking for info or watching the players themselves.
alixiax
zrank title is already expensive enough without taking away the free keys we get towards it
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Sookie
Hey, the Xunlai House Tournament wagers are gone! Deal with it! Get out there, play the game and accumulate some wealth and buy the Z-Keys!
I will miss the free Z-Keys just as much as anyone, but I can also do Zaishen Elite everyday and get Balthazar Faction to purchase Z-Keys!
sheesh! Stop crying...for the time being, it's over! When they fix it, it will be back!
...maybe.
I will miss the free Z-Keys just as much as anyone, but I can also do Zaishen Elite everyday and get Balthazar Faction to purchase Z-Keys!
sheesh! Stop crying...for the time being, it's over! When they fix it, it will be back!
...maybe.
I Write Sins
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zrank title is already expensive enough without taking away the free keys we get towards it
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i just wanted to say lol @ that
but on what the first guy posted.....
srsly?
Q.Q moar?
watch pvp and make good predictions;
or if you dont like it, then Hey! guess what, its not required! you're not gonna lose your account if you miss a month or two...
soo just dont do it if u dont like it ....
geeze
Tender Wolf
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Zkeys I couldn't care less about. Who needs more gold anyways? I also dislike farming the title... they should make traded Zkeys not count towards it. |
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So what you're saying is that PvE players who don't want to/are bad at PvP deserve to get the same rewards as PvP players? I'm sorry, but that's just stupid. If someone doesn't want to PvP for PvP rewards, they don't deserve them. You're pretty much saying that PvE players should be able to get Balthazar faction from PvE (please, please, don't reply and say they should).
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phoenixtech
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Haha, so true, so true..
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The Air Revenger
keep the house but make z-keys 20 RP each
gameshoes3003
This is one of the few methods of interacting with Guild Wars while not playing it. This feature is good to keep the interests of the players up if they can't play.
This thing won't go away.
This thing won't go away.
Tender Wolf
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keep the house but make z-keys 20 RP each
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Arkantos
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PvE players have PvE rewards that PvP players can't get, and vice versa. It makes them slightly more unique. A PvE reward is a PvE reward, you should PvE for it. A PvP reward is a PvP reward, you should PvP for it.
Also, regardless of whether PvE players like PvP or not, the bottom line is they can't get RPs from ATs because they aren't good enough to participate in them. Face it, even if most of the PvE players who wanted RPs and enjoyed PvP wouldn't be able to get them anyways.
Please, stop thinking that you deserve the same rewards. The players who PvP actually have to do something that takes skill (well, most of the time), all you have to do is pick 8 random guilds and people. You may get reward points, but you certainly don't deserve them. No one who only does XTH deserves them.
Show Some Skin
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~I like getting an extra clump of keys every month, helps getting armor and weaps
~I like getting an extra clump of keys every month, helps getting armor and weaps
Tender Wolf
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Oh, ok. So I guess you think PvErs should have a way to get hero/gladiator/champion too, huh? Balthazar faction in PvE makes as much sense as PvErs getting PvP rewards when they don't want to PvP. As you said, no sense.
PvE players have PvE rewards that PvP players can't get, and vice versa. It makes them slightly more unique. A PvE reward is a PvE reward, you should PvE for it. A PvP reward is a PvP reward, you should PvP for it. Also, regardless of whether PvE players like PvP or not, the bottom line is they can't get RPs from ATs because they aren't good enough to participate in them. Face it, even if most of the PvE players who wanted RPs and enjoyed PvP wouldn't be able to get them anyways. Please, stop thinking that you deserve the same rewards. The players who PvP actually have to do something that takes skill (well, most of the time), all you have to do is pick 8 random guilds and people. You may get reward points, but you certainly don't deserve them. No one who only does XTH deserves them. |
Mireles
I think XTH is a good thing for players that aren't farming or power trade savvy to get some income. Its just those few people that have 10+ accounts making it to where its the equivalent of buying 200 keys off the internet a month(driving the price of z-keys down about 200g a month). I hope arena net finds some way to moderate this. Maybe requiring people to have all 4 campaigns so its not so cheap to exploit this system, or maybe they don't care about having a fair game because there getting paid.
Nerel
Fix the XTH so people aren't whining about missing out on their free stuff, make the Zaishen keys non-tradable... free stuff won't translate into free money, people crying about the effects of z-keys on the economy can be happy, whiny PvP'ers complaining about PvE'ers getting money that they don't deserve will be happy...
This is possibly a better option than trying to remove the XTH, and still leaving Z-keys, the zaishen title and chest in the game, which would be really pointless. The only people who seem to advocate this are PvP'ers or those who adulate them... which is odd that the same people that mock the title (Zaishen) and refer to it as a meaningless PvE title that can be bought... are trying to keep it in the realm of PvP.
This is possibly a better option than trying to remove the XTH, and still leaving Z-keys, the zaishen title and chest in the game, which would be really pointless. The only people who seem to advocate this are PvP'ers or those who adulate them... which is odd that the same people that mock the title (Zaishen) and refer to it as a meaningless PvE title that can be bought... are trying to keep it in the realm of PvP.
Atrocity
A lot of good points made here and there on this whole thing. As far as PVE players not deserving Z-Keys unless they PVP....I'll just say that I avoided the PVP side of the game for 2 years because of the arrogance found in (and only in thus far) the PvP Elitists. And saying that PvE player are not deserving of PvP rewards is a prime example. Don't be so selfish. We all paid for the same game right? Exactly...
Eventually though, a friend talked me into joining him on an AB team one night and I've been exploring the PvP side of the game ever since. Watching matches, reading the forums here and comments about the matches from the team members as well as the general public. Checking the stats, ranks, comparing builds etc. Sure, you could say I'm an addict now. I truly admire a lot of the teams now because some of the matches are more entertaining than beating any storyline for the 29th time or mindlessly farming for hours on end. Hell I have people that work with me & play GW debating on which team will do what each month all day in the office.
With that being said, I can't help but find the irony in PvP players that take so much pride in what they do trying to chase off the very same people that admire their gameplay, progress, and ongoing competitions each month. Sure, there are some that pay no mind to anything but maybe the rankings and base predicts off of that.... but that isn't everyone I can assure you.
Picket the XTH if you want to, bank on losing a big chunk of attention from the general public, and enjoy having your precious "PvP only rewards" all to yourselves in PvPLand.
In short: The idea of closing the XTH reeks of failbait.
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Eventually though, a friend talked me into joining him on an AB team one night and I've been exploring the PvP side of the game ever since. Watching matches, reading the forums here and comments about the matches from the team members as well as the general public. Checking the stats, ranks, comparing builds etc. Sure, you could say I'm an addict now. I truly admire a lot of the teams now because some of the matches are more entertaining than beating any storyline for the 29th time or mindlessly farming for hours on end. Hell I have people that work with me & play GW debating on which team will do what each month all day in the office.
With that being said, I can't help but find the irony in PvP players that take so much pride in what they do trying to chase off the very same people that admire their gameplay, progress, and ongoing competitions each month. Sure, there are some that pay no mind to anything but maybe the rankings and base predicts off of that.... but that isn't everyone I can assure you.
Picket the XTH if you want to, bank on losing a big chunk of attention from the general public, and enjoy having your precious "PvP only rewards" all to yourselves in PvPLand.
In short: The idea of closing the XTH reeks of failbait.
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