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hello all,

I played GW when factions just launched.
I made a Assasin/war and he is level 20.
Back then the assasin wasnt all that good (or i wasnt) and i quit.

now i recently returned to play.
What should i be doing at level 20?
is there any reason to pve at that level.
And the pvp part...why should i do pvp?
Do i get rewards / make my toon better?
If its just for rankings then /yawn...i wanna put efford in a toon and make it better.

Game has some nice potential but whats the end-game?

You are your best at level 20. If you have max armor and max daggers, you just can't really get better, other than how you use your skills and what skills you get.

End game for Guild Wars is Hard Mode. Getting elite armors, they're just for looks. Maxing titles. PvP, and no you don't get anything good from PvP besides titles. You can also buy all the dagger skins out there for no reason other than to clog your storage. There are also the elite areas. DoA for Nightfall. FoW and UW for all campaigns and Urgoz or The Deep for Factions.

If you don't find PvP fun, or one of those things I listed above fun, there is no other reason to be playing this game.

Finishing the PvE campaigns, getting cash, buying armor, rare weapons, moving into PvP, and overall becoming a better player through your experiences.

Then doing it again with a new character and proffession.

sooo you just play for looks?
Somehow i am passed the period where i was dressing figurines for fun :P

Nope you play for fun, a lot of people find that fun though. I forgot to mention that if you have Eye of the North expansion you can do dungeons as well, for end game. But really you can't make your character any better stat wise.

If you thought the aim of the game was to reach level 20, then you're playing the wrong game.

I was asking whawt the aim of the game is...
Cause pvping just to get on a list is not worth my time.
If i could get rewards doing it...and with it enhance my character it would be intresting tho.
I thought this was a RPG and not a frag based game like quake.

I know i sound verry harsh...its not as bad as i make it sound but i get my point across better like this.
So sorry in advance

In a sense -

All you can play any computer game for is looks - computer games are, after all, simply pixels moving around on a screen. WoW, Diablo, whatever, all any of them are is appearances.

No, no rewards in PvP to make your character better. Nothing in this game can make your character better, this game is all about equality.

The aim of most games is to have fun.

I honestly dont think GW is for you. Sounds like you want a game like WoW or EQ that req. extensive grinding to have better equipt. to be able to "pwn". In GW, it's all about the skills you use and how you use them.

End game is about improving YOUR ability to play the game. The monsters will still get bigger, but your toon's power is at its peak. Character growth is not about how much damage you can deal or take, but rather about how many skills can you collect and whether you can come up with good ways to build an eight slot skillbar from them.

The beauty of GW is that getting to level 20 is just the start. Sure its fun levelling up but if levelling up was all you are intrested in well play WOW for more levels.

Now completing all 3 games and the expansion pack gives you a wealth of different skill combos for both pve and pvp. If ya not sure cause you have just come back to game just jump on pvxwiki.com or here and try one of the pre-made builds or even better try ya own.

Achieving titles gives you a feeling of achievement, and demonstrates your mastery of certain sections of the game. I can only dream of coming back now and being able to both Vanquish, Elite Skill cap and map the area in one go achieving 3 titles at once! Jump on Guild wiki to see what you fancy pursuing.

If you are going to follow the titles path, I recommend elite skill capping. Not only do you gain experience, but you also gain much needed skills for you and heros but also the chance of perfect green drops!

Just an idea. Otherwise, go and grind on WOW

- With this post my faith in humanity received +1.

- Most games I've come across have been made to be played competitively and for fun. Competition is fun. Take soccer, chess, poker, monopoly - all of these are "PvP games" without even having to explicitly say it! There's new mongrel breed called "MMORPG" which makes players kill hundred thousand virtual boars to unlock features, which are about killing another hundred thousand different skinned boars. How pathetic can game design get?! If someone asked me what I do with my spare time, I'd rather admit drinking beer and gambling than being in a druglike state six hours a day killing virtual boars and thinking the titles I get represent my self-worth.

That's pretty much it. There are many things to do once you reach Level 20. Whether you think they're worth your time is another story.

Not intended to flame, cause I understand what you are talking about. But have you ever played a pick-up game of basketball or football or whatever with buddies at the park. What do you get as a reward, trophy? money? NBA contract? Na, you get nothing other than the feeling of winning and having fun.

Same as this game, you play to have fun, have a good time with guild buddies, and if in the meantime, you accumulate game $, why not spend the pretend $ on dressing up your doll (haha btw funny comment). What else are you gonna spend it on?

This is especially applicable to PvP. You get nothing other than Balthazar faction and the knowledge that you made someone, somewhere else in the world, rethink their build and feel a little bad. Same as a game of basketball with your friends.

Actually, if you play any of those games you list on a PC, they can effectively be 'PvE' too. The competition you get is based on the intelligence of your opponent, artificial or otherwise. I'm sure some of the PvE encounters in Guild Wars are more challenging than a PvP encounter against 'Lolzorz teh Worrior'.

Edit: If you aren't talking PC, and mean playing those games for real, it's kind of a mute argument in an online gaming forum ...

Ultimately, people need to stop bickering over PvE versus PvP. I've seen it in every game of this ilk I've played. Guild Wars supports both, so take your pick. My guess is the people that enjoy both and don't feel the need to take an elitist stance on one or the other are the ones that get the most enjoyment from the game.

The point of my post was in response to the OP, not a statment saying online gaming is equal in all aspects to physical activity. It was an analogy just stating you dont have to do something to get a reward/item etc, but you can do it just to have fun as a reason.

Aapo you even state in your prior post that those activities that you list (soccer) are played for competition and to have fun. Again the comparison is in reasons for doing something for fun, not saying online games are equal to anything else. In fact I'd say online gaming gives a person nearly nothing in terms of physical, social or spiritual improvement (more likely detrimental). In terms of Endorphin release, well that depends on what you are doing online, haha.

In terms of what you experience when you play, isnt necessarily what everyone experiences or how they play.

Are you kidding? I treat my characters like Barbies for Adults!

LoL, well thanks for your replies.
To extend of the nba types of games...sure i played those.
But those arent labled RPG.
In general RPGs are about progressing your toon...and puttin efford in a toon and watching it getting more powerfull and growing is what drives me to continue playing.
If i am going to be as powerfull in 3 months are i am after 2days then is GW a rpg.
Or more off a counterstrike like game where you just pick a toon and start shooting eachother.
Also with CS you will suck at first...and become better with practice but that doesnt make it a RPG

No, you won't be able to farm PvP and get honor points for uber equipment. I recommend uninstalling.

There are MANY games where it's all about grinding to more power. From killing boars to farming Stones of Jordan (I want to see the quary for those, BTW, must be MASSIVE) to stomping Illidan or whatever.

Guild wars is NOT one of those games. One of the VERY FEW RPG games that are not like that.

So, if you want that, try one of those other games. GW may not be for you.



But first, ask yourself this:
Once you're level 99, with all the best gear, the perfect build that slaps Azathoth around in .45seconds...

...what are you playing for NOW?

First off, we need moar buggd SoJ in GWz plix. Throw in a couple of 290's... and you have the ideal PvP equipment haha. And once you beat... Azathoth? in .45 seconds, work on hell Baal.

But yeah... on topic... it really does seem that, at least for now, Guild Wars isn't the game you want to be playing. Everybody else has stated the reasons why... and if you don't see the point of "what this game actually is," I recommend trying another/different game.

On the other hand, if you can come to grips with what you can/should do in this game (not just level level level level equip equip equip pwn pwn pwn)... then give it more of a chance and see what you can make out of it.

Have fun, or at least try to!

You could always start a new character... Don't quit the game because you're done with 1 character. You don't have 4+ slots for nothing.
Edit: Also, going for the Legendary Survivor title without farming one spot could give you a good motivation to continue your progress into the campaigns after you've reached level 20.

Horus, I had the same trouble when I first started playing this game a few years ago. I was used to the typical RPG (although not the MMORPGs) - fight small monsters & level & get better equipment, fight harder monsters & level & get better equipment, fight harder monsters...etc.

When I reached level 20 about 1/3 through Prophecies, I thought "Hmmm thats it?? Am I near the end of the game??"

But in this game you have to put aside the typical RPG mindset and think of it more as a first person shooter pvp-wise. You have the same options on guns as the guys on the other side, but the more you play it the better you get at killing the other guy and staying alive. Same with this game, especially pvp wise. Everyone is on equal footing (max lvl 20 and max equipment), you win mostly if you have better skill or a build that would beat their build. Thats why a person who has been playing for 2 months would often lose to a guy who has been playing for 2 years, even though everything else is equal.

So just like a FPS, you get better at playing the game, not necessarilry better weapons or armor.

In regards to pve, you max out at lvl 20, however the monsters still get harder as you progress. You may be at level 20 in the Maguuma jungle, however when you get to the Southern Shiverpeaks, you are regularly fighting lvl 24 dwarves and lvl 28 bosses in large mobs. So your character hasnt progressed, but your skill has. Hope this helped, but anyways have fun.

- Many bad games like that, I agree. But there's an important difference between grinding and progression. Who wants to do dungeon that rewards some staff with exactly same (or inferior) mods as the one you're carrying? Who wants to kill monster whose loot goes straight to merchant every time? Heck, aren't adventures and loot the very bread & butter elements of RPGs? You can't just say that grinding is the devil. You have to acknowledge that this is a serious issue and design flaw in the game.

And PvP.
Let me ask you: why on earth would I want to spend 300-500 hours unlocking necessary skills, runes and other mods just to be able to play competitively? Instead of picking up some decent shooter like Counter-Strike or RTS like Warcraft III, install it and be playing on even field against other players in 15 minutes? You know, those games that were build from bottom up to be played competitively, and utmost importance placed on ensuring that no gimmicks could surface? As we have sadly seen, ANET doesn't even seem to care what kind of crap they're releasing.

- Journey is often more important than destination. On the contrary I might ask you the same thing: what are you doing once you reach level 20 shortly after newbie island and get max equipment? Take perfect build on wiki and nothing will be a challenge. As you learn the game you will just finish it faster and more efficiently, but that sounds more like good qualities to have for employee than a gamer.

- That applies to every game. Saying that Guild Wars is the only somewhat balanced MMO in the shitty genre of imbalanced MMOs doesn't yet say it's worth anyone's time.