Just checked assassin skills

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LOL blind him, block him, learn how defend yourself... LOL

Everyone here is talking about interupt a sin before he start the chain, its easy... lots of skills... but...

A good sin shadow step strike, kd, strike, chain... kill in 3 seconds and no one can save you... but... they only have advantage agaisnt low armor classes 60a, is funny to see sin try to kill warriors, is sooooooooo fun they strike and nothing, still striking and nothing, nothing LOL...

The truth is if you is a soft target, a good sin kill a soft target in 3 <> 4 seconds with deep wound and kd and no one can save... the only escape is someone save you with heal or a defense skill...

If you have a high armor just pass away from the mesmer with knifes LOL, they dont hurt you LOL

If you have low armor, try some instant skill like stances or very very fast activation time skill to buff armor or to block the chain... or have a very good monk in your team. If they a good sin start the chain... GG soft target...

Sorry my weak english...

The problem there is timing. Assuming you get your HCT on all casts, you'd have to time BF so that it acts immediately *after* an attack skill then immediately cast Enervating. With pressure on you and taking damage/kd, will you really be able to time this that well?

Granted, it will probably work better if you catch them before they step in thus avoiding the timing issue. But in group settings this can be an issue unless you're using Blinding Surge.

To throw it in, I had an Ele hit me with Blinding Flash followed with Enervating today in AB and chopped him/her down pretty easily. I do, however, acknowledge that his weapon set and skill usage were probably pathetic given that, well, it was AB, but the combo is avoidable.

I've only been playing my build for a couple of weeks, but I'll be on the lookout for an Air Ele using cover conditions on Blind.

If you have not any defensive measures and nobody helps you, it is no wonder that you die. What is the point of an Assassin if he could not assassinate an unsuspecting target.

Some hints how to screw up Sins:

1. Blocking Stances/Enchantments
Whirling Defense, Natural Stride, Guardian, ...
2. Blindness
in any form
3. High HP
455 HP (Superior Rune and no +health equipment/Insignia) make you vulnerable to die to an Assassin attack chain. If you have more HP, they cannot gank you all alone.

Also see FengShuiDove's example. This is an unblockable attack chain that screws up enchantments, but it also limits the raw solo killing power of the Sin severely in return. Sins can and must specialize, but they have options to chose from, which is not bad.


Sins rely on attack chains, break them by screwing up one attack, and you are fine. Their daggers alone are not that threatening.


The request to nerf them even more is really shameful. They are not that good anymore.

Sinsplit/Sineptitude is a different beast and should be left to PvPers/GvGers to discuss. In the more casual environments of RA/AB or PvE, Sins are not really the best there is or imba at all.

Honestly, stop nerfing assassins ..

They're a wonderfull class if you know how to play with them. Imho the point behind a class like this is taking someone out silent & quickly, like a hitman or whatever. They used to have some overpowered skills but I find it to be quite balanced nowadays. And as I don't play any PvP at all I wouldn't know how it's like there, but in PvE we're underappreciated as it is, so leave us be.

If you're gonna nerf every profession because they piss off some stuckup PvP people we might as well stop playing PvE .. Not trying to flame here anything, I just want to share my opinion

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sins love shieldbash

Their attack work in chain, so if one missed....A_A

some skills would be useful:
Reckless Haste
blurred vision
Clumsiness

+all blinds & blocking

you can also interupt their attack. sin uses to spam their chain. It would be pretty easy to interrupt.

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Assassins are a stupid class. Shadow Form spamming, conditions, etc and any n00b with Faction can rip any single squishy to pieces and there's ***k all you can do about it in AB or RA unless you've gone and specifically crafted a counter to them (which makes you useless 99% of the rest of the time in random situations) or got lucky enough to get into a group that can collectively counter. I took to carrying non-spell enchant strips on my mesmer because of so much shadow form spam in RA, but then I was less effective at interrupting because I had to give that slot up just to counter one stupid class that may or may not show up.

However, in non-random PvP, sins are pretty simple to counter with a competent monk and a damage dealer.

Since I don't have any friends that play GW, and my guildies are not particularly good at PvP, I only get to do random things like AB and RA, so I just don't PvP anymore. RA and AB suck bad enough without having to cross your fingers and hope some kid with a shadow form spam build doesn't show up.

Good idea, typical anet implementation. They're very specialized characters, so specialized counters can be crafted, but that completely **cks things in random setups where you can't effectively specialize without becoming a liability most of the time.

It would be nice if random areas put some limits on the skills that could be used or allowed you to change up skills. There are too many highly specialized builds that aren't problematic in non-random PvP where a team can devote a team slot to countering that build, but can just completely devastate in random PvP most of the time where you have to try and build things for any contingency.

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A/mo with condition removal = pwn :d nah i dont think sin skills should be removed just other ppl can try differend build?
ppl cry just if they lose. Like yeah many melees hate anti melees and cry for that..
i use Anti melees and melee chars im fine with both just right skills and you can handle with almost anything .

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I've beaten assassins without blocking and blind on my Necro all because I target them before they target me. If I can get degen on them and hit them with my best shots, they're kinda dying and at least at half health or close to it by the time they shadow step to me. Then they do their thing, I use Signet of Lost Souls or/and Soul Feast (for large battle fields with lotsa dead guys) or Taste of Pain and bounce back up in health, then watch them as they run away or die. It can work pretty effectively if you're just aware of them coming and don't panic.

It's pretty funny watching a sin run away from a Necro with no defensive skills

And before anybody says "nooooobzor, you lies, i'z can take u 1v1 cos i sin and you shud fight me now." No, I won't I'm not saying I beat all sins, but a lot of them just don't know how to be as effective as they can be. They think they're unstoppable just because they're a sin, regardless of build or tactics. But you can stop them, more than half the time, without trying too much at all. When I get beat down I know I've come across a 'good' sin beacuse I'll be on the floor and dead before I know it....but that happens pretty rarely.

Keep your cool, and surprise them before they surprise you.

Blinding Assassins, use of blocking stances and interrupts is farily useless these days, at least in AB/RA anyway, as 50% of Assassins are now using the same, lame spell/signet-based build. I am not going to link to this build as I don't want to encourage any more lolsins to take up the trade.

The only way to be rid of their nuisance is to snare them and run off. Most combos begin with Augury of Death, and most Assassins now seem to use Dancing Daggers as a lead attack (hey! a spell! it can't be blocked or blinded!). The weakness of Augury and Dancing Daggers is that it they are only half range. I snare them before they can get close enough.

If you have a monk in your team, it's pretty difficult for an Assassin to take you down. Every build you use for solo PvP play (RA or AB) should be Assassin proof, or there's no point playing. On a bad day, Assassins seem to make up 50% of players in these places. Take high health (lose the sup runes) and some form of rapid health regen.

Also, know when you are a target for Assassins. They tend to go for Ele, Necro or Mesmer (the good ones do anyway). A decent Warrior or Ranger build should be able to outlast and kill an Assassin. You can even go Assassin hunting with the right build. Again, I don't intend to describe it here.

Vengeful was Khanhei, Weapon of Remedy, Spirits of all types, almost any block, to interrupt chains, Spiteful Spirit, Hexes in general... WEAKNESS...

Yeah SIN's are invincible.... Learn to play better...

Also, just to change the subject a little - for those of you that are "sin is brooeken oh em geez00rz"

[skill]Word of Healing[/skill] Anyone?

omgqu3h. Monks broken.

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emmm ...to OP..try this :

[skill]Insidious Parasite[/skill]

[skill]empathy[/skill] [skill]spirit shackles[/skill] [skill]signet of midnight[/skill]

This seems to tame most sins (atleast the ones with out hex removal)

Oh warriors dervish and paragons and rangers toooo

Sins aren't that imbalanced, one screw up in their chain and they don't have much chance, as has been said here before there are lots of counters to sins. Blind, if they have remedy then block, anti-kd is also a good idea as many sins use a kd as an opener. Hasn't been brought up as much but enchant removal is also a great way to shut down sins, especially if they're using aura of displacement.

I hunt assassins with my mesmer in ABs for fun. So many are willing to attack through [skill]Ineptitude[/skill] that the rest is easy. In ABs, skills 1-4 for me are: Wandering Eye(Unknown skill?)[skill]Ineptitude[/skill][skill]Conjure Phantasm[/skill][skill]Conjure Nightmare[/skill]... these alone will take care of the average sin quickly enough.

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Ctb, you're assuming RA should be a fair and balanced environment, which utterly fails to account for what RA is.

RANDOM arenas. Or, for want of a better term, "Under no constraint to not be broken" arenas. Sure, sometimes you get a completely stupid unblockable uberpwnage enemy team, because it's random. Sometimes you never even see a sin before being shunted to team arenas. Sometimes you see them all the time. It's...random.

Complaining that RA and AB are broken is...basically highlighting the essential POINT of RA and AB.

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