Need help for sin.

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Well I just started nf and factions a week or so ago..

I started a d/mo in nf and didnt have any problems..Almost beat the game..

Tried an A/E for factions..and I get owned quite a bit,am I doing something terribily wrong,or is factions just harder?

I am trying to lvl..only lvl 13 atm..but did most quests and areas that I am now have lvl 20+

What should I do?Trying to get to nf by doing that mish,but way to hard for me atm.

My skillbar probably is terribile,but I dont know how to show it.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

Get the max armour available in Kaineng Centre (armour 70 for a sin), do all the quests you can find (there's loads, check out the quest list on Wiki), which should get you to level 18 at least.

Then always take the max party size of 8 everywhere (including the two healers, the Rit and the Monk) - mobs are designed to be fought with 8-man parties, if you still have troubles use Ctrl + Shift + Spacebar to order your hench to run in first - Assassins are really quite soft.

Then for your skillbar, you can just type out what skills you're using.
I'd recommend a short attack chain with a low recharge you can spam, then a few defensive skills to help you survive, possibly with a shadowstep you can use to get out of AoE attacks and mobbing enemy fighters.

[skill]jagged strike[/skill][skill]wild strike[/skill][skill]death blossom[/skill][skill]critical defenses[/skill][skill]critical eye[/skill][skill]way of perfection[/skill][skill]return[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

I'd aim for these stats at level 20, below that try and have at least 8 Critical for the 2en return.
10+1+1 Dagger Mastery (or 11+1+1 with lower Shadow)
12+1 Critical Strikes
8+1 Shadow Arts (6+1 for more Dagger Mastery - higher damage)

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Thanks will do,just trying to get this sin running,because I heard they are amazing solo boss farmers..Also are elemental sword farm in GWEN only?

I will try to use those skills,hopefully dont need to use balth faction to unlock

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost21
I will try to use those skills,hopefully dont need to use balth faction to unlock Shouldn't do, iirc nearly all non-elite skills are available in Kaineng Centre.

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Thanks,bought max armor.Got all those skills,just wondering what should I put my attributes as atm?90points and as I lvl what should I put the points in,until lvl 20 where I can end up with that.As well as the skill usage order,I know I am noob

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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your not a noob your just new to the game, and yes there is a difference.

their are certain quests that give you an extra 15 attribute points it you haven't done those already. The ones in factions are unwelcomed guest (obtained from Zunraa in seitung harbor) and lost treasure (obtained from a guardsmen in the outpost you enter after beating minister cho's estate). these will help give you more attribute points to work with and are also with 5k exp a pop

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

yup,thanks already did them.Level 16 also am at Vizunah Square now.Trying to finish other quests to get to 18 atleast.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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hmmm i would suggest getting critical agility then

its a sunspear skill that you get at the sunspear great hall

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Will so later,but still need to get into nf then..Been soloing alot with henchies,just beat Vizunah Square..tried to cap Shadow Form during mish but boss didn't spawn.Will capture it later,lvl 19 now too .When can I start trying out those solo boss builds,when I get hardmode?Also are elemental sword farming in NF or Factions?

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost21
Will so later,but still need to get into nf then..Been soloing alot with henchies,just beat Vizunah Square..tried to cap Shadow Form during mish but boss didn't spawn.Will capture it later,lvl 19 now too .When can I start trying out those solo boss builds,when I get hardmode?Also are elemental sword farming in NF or Factions? http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

You of course know you are stealing your AND our time asking all those questions?

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abedeus
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

You of course know you are stealing your AND our time asking all those questions? Oh sorry,I know how your time must be very precious considering your browsing the forum.I don't believe the other posters thought like that,if they did I am sorry.Don't post if you have a problem,why don't people understand that.

71.229

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2008

For your build, I'd suggest this:
12+1 crit
12+1 dagger

Golden Phoenix Strike
Death Blossom
Moebius Strike
Twisting Fangs
Critical Agility
Critical Eye
*optional*
Resurrection Signet/Sunspear Rebirth Signet/Death Pact Signet/Flesh of My Flesh/Rebirth

If you find GPS still on recharge when your target dies too often, go Golden Fox/Golden Fang/DB/Moebius.

furanshisuko

furanshisuko

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

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get the sunspear skill also

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

So far at Senji's corner.Still have the first build posted,trying to get Shadow form,going to be awhile till I get mobeius strike though

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

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Don't worry about Shadow Form builds and capping yet. They're more complex than some other builds for other professions and honestly, for a newer character/player, just playing through primary quests and missions nets you quite a bit of money. A *sufficient* amount, I should say. Search for a thread on these forums about it, someone did a very good, quality experiment on that.

That having been said, my suggestion is to play through the campaign and refine a good solid PvE build. Take suggestions but learn to play and make your own bars. People criticize creativity and uniqueness in this game as much as copying other people's builds. Pick up and use something that suits you, whether it's your own creation or a small variant of someone else's play testing.

If you need any help come here and post in the Assassin forums. Ravager up there and I (and some others I'm sure, I've just gotta stick up for a guildie) will try our best to help you out, even if others are rude.

Sooooo, make regular visits here and good luck until your next question.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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why ty dove

yea your going to want to look for a solid pve build that has a steady dps while at the same time provide some defense to hold enemy frontliners at bay.
Offense-
Almost every assassin pve build has the sunspear skill Critical Agility as it is effective even at rank 1 sunspear and is arguably the best ias skill in game. It is easy to manage and costs only 5 energy. Now after this your going to want to build up a reliable chain that is energy effective but at the same time can still dps well. For this i recommend the standard moebius chain. It uses the Moebius Strike to deal massive damage and basically just spam dual attacks. The skill works after you use a dual attack and counts as a offhand allowing you to go -> lead skip 1 --> dual -> moebius -> dual ->moebius-> and so on and so forth. The skill also recharges all attack skills when it hits a target under 50% health. This allows for even more spamming. Now for the chain i would recommend using: golden phoenix strike -> critical strike -> moebius strike -> death blossom. Critical strike will be used only when you need energy otherwise just spam death blossom as it does AoE damage and lots of it.

Defensive- in pve enchantments are a sins best friend as they can not only shield us from attackers but some can provide decent regen/health gain. So for a moebius build i would highly suggest taking critical defenses as this keeps enemy frontliners away and allows you to use your chain without fear of getting pummeled. Now the next enchant you can bring depends entirely on whether you want a straight health gain or regen. Either dump 8 points into your shadow arts category and take way of perfection or go A/D and dump 8 points into earth prayers and take mystic regeneration. Way of Perfection allows for a ~24 health gain per critical and so in times of trouble just spam critical hit to allow for a constant heal. Mystic Regeneration gives you +3 health regeneration for each enchantment on you (caps at +9). This will give you a more steady input of health however is much more costly and doesn't last nearly as long as Way of Perfection.

lastly when playing a sin repeat the mantra "I am not a tank" and you should do fine. If you are getting hit hard fall back into your midline and allow your monks to catch up and heal you.

gl with playing a sin it's fun

itsvictor

itsvictor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
lastly when playing a sin repeat the mantra "I am not a tank" Lies, I herd SoA and other prot spells makes anything able to "tank" damage. It's only the player at fault when he knowingly overextends, it's the monk's when they can "easily" have preprotted.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by itsvictor
Lies, I herd SoA and other prot spells makes anything able to "tank" damage. It's only the player at fault when he knowingly overextends, it's the monk's when they can "easily" have preprotted. hence the mantra

if you haven't noticed tanks overextend....a lot and once a sins overextends bad things happen. If sins were supposed to tank we'd use mending and have 80AL :P

Jaigoda

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

No, a real tank does not overextend. A real tank sits and just soaks up the aggro and damage. What most people consider as a tank is a frontline character that can soak up lots of damage if need be, but generally also has offensive capabilities. An assassin is actually more than able to tank well if you build them right. Critical Agility, Critical Defenses, Way of Perfection, and Nightstalker insignia ensure that even if you're attacked by several foes, you won't go down unless your monk isn't healing/protting you.

As for overextending, if you go past the area that you monk can heal you from, I don't care if you have 80AL, you're in trouble. Unless your build is focused solely on tanking (which is a bad idea anyway, though that's another subject alltogether), you are not able to safely overextend from your party.

itsvictor

itsvictor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Read the second clause of what I typed. Nothing is a Tank in PvP, in PvE that's why we have ursan. This is a fruitless debate anyways...

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaigoda
No, a real tank does not overextend. A real tank sits and just soaks up the aggro and damage. Tanks have no place in guild wars.

Jaigoda

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

Quote:
Originally Posted by itsvictor
Read the second clause of what I typed. Nothing is a Tank in PvP, in PvE that's why we have ursan. This is a fruitless debate anyways...
I was actually talking about RavagerOfDreams, rather than you. I actually think you're right. I'm also talking only from a PvE perspective, since this is mostly a PvE thread (tanks, critical agility, etc.).

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phantom
Tanks have no place in guild wars. I never said that tanks had a place in GW. I think that tanks are a bad idea, and that there's very little point in them in the current GW, even PvE. I just stated their purpose. For instance, SP's purpose is to spike a target in, what, 4 seconds? But is it good for the game? No. Should it be in the game? No. Hell, should the assassin class even be in the game? IMO, no. But they're there anyway, whether we like it or not. And I'm starting to get off topic, so I'll end here.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phantom
Tanks have no place in guild wars.
Quoted for epic truth

and @Jaigoda

yes good tanks don't overextend however how many good tanks are there in gw? Not only that but sins cannot out tank wars it simply cannot be done. We may have critical agility however they have stances which are much harder to remove the enchants. Also wars have a higher al AND al raising skills(i.e. Doylak Sig). So in the world of tanking sin<war it's very simple and arguing with the fact will prove to me that your just trolling.

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Thanks guys,highly appreciated it.Thanks dove and ravager for those great tips.

Well I finally beat nf on my D/mo, and decided to transfer my Sin to nf and try to get to Remains so I can farm there.

I also have a build setup for uw,but I am not sure if it will work yet.I will get a good pve build like the ones listed here to get through the game.I found factions somewhat frustrating at times,thus the switch to nf...but I know I will go back to factions later and beat it.Thanks again.

Frostie

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaigoda
No, a real tank does not overextend. A real tank sits there and does absolutely nothing. Rawr.

@The OP:
Moebius Strike is quite far away, but Assassin's Promise is an alright elite for using spike builds in PvE!

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

I was just wondering,I tried a solo boss build..from pvx..

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/E_Solo_Green_Farmer

This is the build,and I am trying to farm nolani academy,and Silver armor..HARDLY targets the bosses,so I was wondering am I doing something wrong,or extremely unlucky..maybe like once out of 30tries..

Suggestions?

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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meh there is another build that people use that always hits the boss also make sure you are right next to the boss. My suggestion is to teleport in then shock him down. However if you use the other build you won't have to

see here
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/...Academy_Farmer

only problem you'll find is bodyblocking sometimes

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

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Join Date: Dec 2007

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it happens sometimes that it doesn't target the right person but if you shadowstep directly to your boss then shock him down it should allow silver armor to trigger

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
it happens sometimes that it doesn't target the right person but if you shadowstep directly to your boss then shock him down it should allow silver armor to trigger I cast glyph,shadow form,shadow step next to him cast silver..and it hardly ever targets him.Know some better farms for sins?Was going to try uw but not sure if Ican do it,as well as havent got tombs.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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hmmm yea i got a few but your lack of eotn limits my fun Q.Q

you can farm in HM outside of sardalac sanitarium. use this ->http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/...Blossom_Farmer
*note on that one you can kill the elementals only grawls can heal and the gargoyles have lightning skills

Perma shadow boss farmer <3 you could use this in nolani maybe? http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/...ow_Boss_Farmer

for when you get farther you can use this to farm in the gloom http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/E_Gloom_Farmer you should have lb rank 5 but it really works best with 6and up

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Okay will try them,thanks.Is getting to remains of salejah or however you spell it..worth it?I was planning on trying to farm the elemental swords.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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i personally don't like the farm as the raptor farm is much more efficient in the way that it's faster and you get asuran points for it but since you don't have eotn it might be worth it

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Okay thanks,planning on getting to it.Just tried uw farm...well I had quite a few problems.Went with someone who didnt do much but paid for it So at first I had energy managment issues,which I dealt with by using this 2handed staff,giving me 10energy,20%longer enchants.When everything went well,I made a mistake of not putting up shadow form,till it was too late..3rd time it went worse since a nightmare popped up and took my enchants off right away.

So my Real question is,a specific way to get good with my sin?Like doing pvp or some type of practice farm.I would really love being able to use the sin to its full potentional,since I hear so many great things about it.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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way to get good would be to use the builds in pve and just play the story line. Way to get good at farming would be to practice on the dummies outside of GTB

and activate shadow form before you aggro it lasts long enough for the kill and the nightmares can't rip it once up

skar123

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2008

So I am too a new assassin, i just created mine last tuesday i think. I kind of put this together from different posts i saw but let me know if any good pls.

15 crit
13 dagger
rest shadow

Jagged Strike
Wild Strike
Death Blossom
Moebius Strike
Critical Eye
Death's Charge
Return?
Critical Defense

So i just got through the JS, WS, DB line first, then i use MS, and then i simple toggle back and forth between MS and DB continuosly until my target is dead. Dont realy run into energy issues, theyr all low energy cost abilities. The other stuff is to not die.

Any suggestions would be awesome.

Side note i dont have Nightfall or EotN. I played a war when this game came out and was gone until last week when i picked up factions.

Frost21

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

I started farming uw again,or trying to..but I hope some uw sin experts can tell me...how can I survive if blades come..they are always aggroed..and I have no chance,they dont die,they wont run.The pvx doesnt say much and it doesnt seem to work so sick of dying to them

Sir Pandra Pierva

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Angels Of Strife

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shadowblades

hit them with empathy if you are usign the one i think you are
the a/me if that one hastn' been nerfed to hell. I used to tri farm fow with 2 friends one using the e/a shadowformer and the other using the a/me one.


that was fun

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

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An easy way to practice farming is right outside of The Marketplace in Wajjun Bazaar. The first 6 Jade Brotherhood Knights that spawn don't use anything tricky or any self-heals, so they're ideal for testing all sorts of things.

As far as getting better, I suggest RA, but ONLY if you're willing to realize your build-making errors and try your best to amend them. In RA, you're going to basically come up against all variables and different styles of killing/pressure/shutdown, so it will help you develop a well-rounded build. But don't try a farming build in PvP.

Sir Pandra Pierva

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Angels Of Strife

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Quote:
Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
An easy way to practice farming is right outside of The Marketplace in Wajjun Bazaar. The first 6 Jade Brotherhood Knights that spawn don't use anything tricky or any self-heals, so they're ideal for testing all sorts of things.

As far as getting better, I suggest RA, but ONLY if you're willing to realize your build-making errors and try your best to amend them. In RA, you're going to basically come up against all variables and different styles of killing/pressure/shutdown, so it will help you develop a well-rounded build. But don't try a farming build in PvP. BUT BUT BUT......i own using
[skill]Gladiator's Defense[/skill][skill]Riposte[/skill][skill]Deadly riposte[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill][skill]heal area[/skill][skill]healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Live Vicariously[/skill][skill]Endure pain[/skill]

i own melee in RA using that