So, does it really matter what mode you play in when farming?
HM/NM Does it really matter?
Azalyn
I was curious, are the drops really any better playing HM? I seem to get the same crappy drops no matter which mode I play in and it seems to be no greens at all either way.
So, does it really matter what mode you play in when farming?
So, does it really matter what mode you play in when farming?
Nightow
Yes.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_...Hard_Mode_Loot
Personally, this is something that I hope they don't include with GW2.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_...Hard_Mode_Loot
Personally, this is something that I hope they don't include with GW2.
Azalyn
Honestly, I have been playing HM for awhile now and see little difference. There are some greens that I am beginning to wonder if they even drop anymore.
Thank you Nightow.
Thank you Nightow.
Numa Pompilius
I don't know how you guys play if you don't notice any difference.
Drops in HM are infinitely better than in NM. In NM I hardly get any drops at all, rarely max items, and never, ever, gold drops.
In HM it's about the same as it was before drops were adjusted.
Drops in HM are infinitely better than in NM. In NM I hardly get any drops at all, rarely max items, and never, ever, gold drops.
In HM it's about the same as it was before drops were adjusted.
N1ghtstalker
yes there is a difference
in places you won't usually find a gold you can get gold weapons
like i got a perfect sundering axe outside astralarium while trapping in HM
in places you won't usually find a gold you can get gold weapons
like i got a perfect sundering axe outside astralarium while trapping in HM
Master Knightfall
For GREENS it doesn't matter they are not in the loot code difference of NM/HM as are most rares like ectoes as well. Only common drops, resources, blue, purple and GOLD drops are effected by HM for the most part and how many drops you get and what kind determined by the SIZE of your GROUP. I get good drops in zones that have a max size of the group of FOUR by bringing along my 3 heroes. But, if I goto a zone that has 6 or 8 as max group size then my drops go DOWN because I am not at maximum group size for the loot code of HM.
I get GREEN drops all the time now as I know what size to build my group and just repeat the area until I get the green(s) I want. One spot I got FIVE GREENS in 45 minutes. Just me and my 3 heroes. It's just that some greens are so deep into an area that it's not worth it to continue to farm them since it could take all your playtime just to farm it once. Some places you can farm in just a few minutes and rince and repeat until you get the green item. I do get more gold drops in HM than in NM though.
So, good hunting.
I get GREEN drops all the time now as I know what size to build my group and just repeat the area until I get the green(s) I want. One spot I got FIVE GREENS in 45 minutes. Just me and my 3 heroes. It's just that some greens are so deep into an area that it's not worth it to continue to farm them since it could take all your playtime just to farm it once. Some places you can farm in just a few minutes and rince and repeat until you get the green item. I do get more gold drops in HM than in NM though.
So, good hunting.
Nightow
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
I don't know how you guys play if you don't notice any difference.
Drops in HM are infinitely better than in NM. In NM I hardly get any drops at all, rarely max items, and never, ever, gold drops. In HM it's about the same as it was before drops were adjusted. |
Master Knightfall
But, you can't get the all elusive r7 inscribeable item in HM. That's why they are sooooooooooooooo RARE cause a gold drop in NM is very rare, but, they do happen and I've found a place where r7 blues and purples are dropping at least. <grin>
Azalyn
I guess I just have a really unlucky character. :/
Thanks for the replies.
Thanks for the replies.
Ctb
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I look at it this way, based on my experience with both modes. HM is worthwhile if:
1. You can solo the HM area as quickly, or almost as quickly as you can the same NM area. You probably won't really get any more as far as gold, merch, equips, and runes goes, but you WILL get tomes and lockpicks on occasion which will help bump up the average value of each run over time.
2. You are specifically looking for max gold weapons - especially weapons of a certain type that drop in that area - and you are very, very patient. This also applies to looking for tomes or lockpicks. I solo in HM a lot when it's a waste of time lootwise just because I want the lockpicks to work on Lucky or TH or Wisdom. I also like to solo HM a few times before going into FoW so I have lockpicks built up for it.
3. You just like vanquishing.
There are areas I don't waste my time on HM because I can do them, but the skill changes in HM for the MOBs make it so that it takes MUCH longer than NM (monk-heavy areas, especially). In other words, I can run the same NM area, say, three times in the time it takes me to run the HM version, and the HM version only averages about twice the plat for me.
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Alicendre
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I also laugh at how Hard Mode is roughly as difficult as Normal Mode was back when GW launched
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I remember one of my first PvP matches, when I tried HA. Someone in my party asked PvP chars to quit our group, because they "don't have enough skills"...
Oh and HM gives better drops, but it depends of your luck I guess.
I just started GWEN with one of my chars and my boyfriend in NM, and the first Destroyer we killed dropped a Destroyer Core for him...
Numa Pompilius
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NM was difficult because we had Blood Magic Warriors, Flare Necros, Smiting Monks and Mending Eles.
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pygar
Definately better treasure in Hard Mode. The low level areas I am just learning to vanquish are netting me more gold per drop than stuff did in the end of nightfall, and usually get at least one "gold" item per zone if not a few, followed by way more puples and blues.
I made 5k vanquishing the Plains of Jarin last nite (not counting vanquisher reward).....thats not gonna happen in NM. (In normal mode, lucky if the hardest areas net you 3K)
A little off-topic, but vanquishing just may be my favoritest thing to do yet in GW- I am even kind of past the point where the treasure even matters, I think the challenge is fun.
I made 5k vanquishing the Plains of Jarin last nite (not counting vanquisher reward).....thats not gonna happen in NM. (In normal mode, lucky if the hardest areas net you 3K)
A little off-topic, but vanquishing just may be my favoritest thing to do yet in GW- I am even kind of past the point where the treasure even matters, I think the challenge is fun.
Master Knightfall
Actually that's not so about NM not netting you great profits. IF you know where to farm and what to farm you can make just as much in a normal mode area as you can in a hard mode one. I have this one spot that I can make as much as 15k in an hour in normal mode and it's not in UW or FOW or any deep hard elite areas either. Four little spawn spots and a heap load of income from them doing them over n over in an hours time. I'm not even soloing it either I bring my 3 heroes along as well so we can kill faster an increase the drop rates of that which I am farming for. Most people don't experiment or try out new things. They also expect it to be posted online to make it easy for them, but, not everything good and great especially where profit is concerned is posted online. Everyone would just swamp to the spots and cause prices to change.
Numa Pompilius
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A little off-topic, but vanquishing just may be my favoritest thing to do yet in GW- I am even kind of past the point where the treasure even matters, I think the challenge is fun.
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Most missions are still very easy, but some - like Aurora Glade - provide really interesting challenges.
upier
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Yeah, vanquishing is fun, but what I do right now is H/H all the Tyria missions in hardmode. To make things interesting I've decided I must do both the mission and the bonus at the same time, and without resorting to cheese (exploits, running, consumables).
Most missions are still very easy, but some - like Aurora Glade - provide really interesting challenges. |
I guess it wasn't a waste of time making it then ...
Pleikki
Yeah i like vanguish just for fun h/h i dont care title drops etc just wanna vanguish and kill those mobs 
but yeah Hm gives more maxed stuff and more loot but that doesnt mean you cant faind better stuff in nm ..
Albert Algorn
There is no comparison HM drops are way better... Normal mode drops are almost worthless.
Snow Bunny
You just get more golds.
But if I do recall, the point of farming was to pick up the little 109g drops and Warden horns (guess where I farmed) and that made your run worth 5k after ~30 or so of those drops.
But if I do recall, the point of farming was to pick up the little 109g drops and Warden horns (guess where I farmed
Chrono Re delle Ere
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
I don't know how you guys play if you don't notice any difference.
Drops in HM are infinitely better than in NM. In NM I hardly get any drops at all, rarely max items, and never, ever, gold drops. In HM it's about the same as it was before drops were adjusted. |
MithranArkanere
More golds and purples, less trophies and whites, tomes, and double rewards in end-chests.
It's nice.
It's nice.
lietzaum
there is a big difference for example some rare skins before eye of the north where avible at max damage and gold like the tribal axe and some skins were easier to get like the ele sword so it does make a difference you just needs to take a while to see sometimes
EternalRyuu
It just really depends on the team layout and where you are in the game. Certain explorable areas will yield better drops then others, but since the updates with the drops, it seems like the golds are only in HM though, I have been playing on NM again more recently with a new character and the golds have been coming aplenty. It just depends on where you are, really.
Esan
Hard mode isn't exactly hard. Half the farming builds work better in HM because mobs attack faster and therefore kill themselves faster. With the occasional exception (Joko's Domain, Sacnoth Valley), it's still boring old C-space rubbish.
stretchs
Without question better in HM over NM. Of course really HM isnt there for the reward it is there for titles......
cosyfiep
I guess I am on the other end....I get gold drops in nm and NOTHING in hm...
the only differences I have found are : no tomes in nm, and when vanquishing noob areas the loot in hm is higher level eg a gold sharktooth shield al 16.
otherwise I get more stuff in nm than I get in hm (like I get no drops at all in hm)
the only differences I have found are : no tomes in nm, and when vanquishing noob areas the loot in hm is higher level eg a gold sharktooth shield al 16.
otherwise I get more stuff in nm than I get in hm (like I get no drops at all in hm)
Sunyavadin
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NM was difficult because we had Blood Magic Warriors, Flare Necros, Smiting Monks and Mending Eles.
I remember one of my first PvP matches, when I tried HA. Someone in my party asked PvP chars to quit our group, because they "don't have enough skills"... |
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Oh and HM gives better drops, but it depends of your luck I guess.
I just started GWEN with one of my chars and my boyfriend in NM, and the first Destroyer we killed dropped a Destroyer Core for him... |
And sold them all as shopfood because the droprate seemed too high for them to be worth anything.
crazybanshee
Having done fow and uw runs both nm and hm, I'd have to say hm drops suck. Most shards I ever got in hm was 2. Most in nm was 7 (usually get 2 or 3 tho) I've never noticed any more gold or greens or anything dropping in hm. I honestly can't even say I get more golds out of chests in hm.
Inferno Link
Well I have not played HM yet since my char isnt high enough but I just got 4 gold drops and 3 greens farming a level 12 boss and his 3 minions in around 20-30 minutes. Granted he was a 20 second walk from the portal. So I don't know if people who say they never get gold drops in nm are lying or are just really unlucky considering I got this from a level 12 boss lol.
Shadowmere
Well to me it seems a toss up, the rate of "rare" and good drops like purples and golds seems close in both NM and HM. I have noticed slightly more golds in HM but all in all it's negligable. What makes HM loot better imo is the greater volume of drops, even if they're near but not max whites they still add up. It's far easier to make good plat off of HM loot rather than NM.
Numa Pompilius
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Nice to hear that some people seem to be enjoying it.
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visitor
For me its loads better when farming. Dont know about the other stuff (vanguish, quest etc....)
Ctb
Just for kicks...
I was just now chest-running Whitman's and got a perfect Fellblade.
Max, Q9, +15% in stance, 20% Swordsmanship, Shocking
... in normal mode.
The best thing I've ever gotten in Hard Mode from locked chests in that area? Monk tomes.
I was just now chest-running Whitman's and got a perfect Fellblade.
Max, Q9, +15% in stance, 20% Swordsmanship, Shocking
... in normal mode.
The best thing I've ever gotten in Hard Mode from locked chests in that area? Monk tomes.
itsvictor
I don't think I even playing Normal Mode anymore... Besides capping for skill hunter(very slowly ^-^) and running.
Pandora's box
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Well I have not played HM yet since my char isnt high enough but I just got 4 gold drops and 3 greens farming a level 12 boss and his 3 minions in around 20-30 minutes. Granted he was a 20 second walk from the portal. So I don't know if people who say they never get gold drops in nm are lying or are just really unlucky considering I got this from a level 12 boss lol.
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Low level creatures are unable to drop any good stuff. But sometimes its worth grinding them because their droppings can be salvaged to decent crafting materials. I think Master Knightfall is refering to this. Probably his run gives him the materials necessary to create consumables, which sell for 8k a set. But than, it wont work in any low level max 4 player team environment: not enough droppings. So don't be fooled.
Back to topic: HM does give better quality items. It makes a lot of difference if I make the same run in NM or HM but it depends of course on the creatures you battle. e.g. My experience with Vaettirs is that it makes no difference, but all saurion creatures drop much better in HM.
kazjun
Haven't noticed a difference apart from tomes dropping. Haven't seem much differences in chests either, apart from my picks breaking more.
dunky_g
while working our way thru factions on normal mode today for my friends survivor char we had 2 sup vigor runes drop, out of 4 gold drops, and that was in normal mode doing a few missions
Bryant Again
Lootwise it makes a huge difference. But certain experiences are more unlucky than others. It always comes down to luck.
kooomar
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The first day of GWEN I had about 75 destroyer cores drop.
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Sora267
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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
But, you can't get the all elusive r7 inscribeable item in HM. That's why they are sooooooooooooooo RARE cause a gold drop in NM is very rare, but, they do happen and I've found a place where r7 blues and purples are dropping at least. <grin>
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