About everyone saying they were left with 1hp in PvP
Am I the only one who noticed that degen seems to take more life when you are at 200+ then when you are below 100. I also seem to notice my hp bar stay on 1hp longer then it does on 5-2. And perhaps 5 times longer then on 100+ numbers.
From this logic, you have more chances to lose your degen on 1hp then ,say, 250hp.
About max mods, because almost every game ask that you get good equipment if you want to survive the next boss. In GW that only means armor and weapon dmg (for the classes that care about weapon dmg), but I guess most people apply this logic to mods too.
The difference with a game like WoW is that in GW those mods are easy to get, so why pay when you know you can have a strictly better version soon. In others games you can know you will play with that near-perfect-equipment long enough to be worth buying it.
And, let's face it, if you spent time on forums or wiki, you know what is the max for a mod, and you will feel like they look better, so you go for them.
Then the people who play by themselves (generally classified as "noobs" for their lack of game knowledge), probably wont have the money or not see the need.
Those who don't care about their equipment untill they NEED better weapon to continue (and they probably never feel that need untill they start doing serious pvp), will not fell the need untill they start to use them (probably throught greens or PVP character)
Those that feel like it's not worth paying for it and will work for them (/raise hand! My case), will just not buy it and get a perfect/near-perfect and play with it untill they feel the need to have a perfect weapon.
If skill > equipment, then why...
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Redfeather1975
For PvE equipment, I couldn't care less about +1hp. I save money and if I die, I ain't gonna blame the mods. XD
For PvP, there's no point in not using a perfect mod, unless you are just starting to play and haven't unlocked the mods you need yet.
I think the reason perfect mods are so sought after in PvE is because of control+click.
For PvP, there's no point in not using a perfect mod, unless you are just starting to play and haven't unlocked the mods you need yet.
I think the reason perfect mods are so sought after in PvE is because of control+click.
samcobra
Who cares what you run in PvE?
In PvP, if you don't want to have to buy perfect equipment, roll a PvP char.
It's simple, really.
In PvP, if you don't want to have to buy perfect equipment, roll a PvP char.
It's simple, really.
mrmango
In PVP I've been down to 1 hp. yea it was AB or something like that, but the +1 makes a difference sometimes.
Crom The Pale
People do buy the +29 hp mods all the time, simply to save some money untill they can afford perfect mods.
The problem is the perfect mods have become very easy to find/buy so most people can afford them.
* Not really sure this IS a problem......
The problem is the perfect mods have become very easy to find/buy so most people can afford them.
* Not really sure this IS a problem......
cellardweller
When your bags and in turn the market is overflowing with max equipment, the better question is why are people using less than perfect mods?
ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by enxa
...does nobody want to buy a +29 hp upgrade? or -5/19 for shield, or 19% longer ehcnantments... Why, oh why???
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I'd understand if you said this back when +30 sword forts where over 100k each. Now absolutely not.
Yawgmoth
In PvE there's no difference whether you have everything absolute perfect or you use random bad selffound purples.
And in PvP apparently the difference between +29 and +30 is also impossible to be noticed. People think of that 1hp as a life saver, but at the same time use swords/axes for caster weapons instead of spears, which are able to hit that RoF on a spike and result in a 100dmg difference by just a quick T+space.
(of course there's no reason to using something imperfect in PvP anyway)
This game is all about Skill+Teamwork+Build advantage, equipment differences don't generate visible advantage. It's the use of the equipment that matters, like swapping the sets right.
And in PvP apparently the difference between +29 and +30 is also impossible to be noticed. People think of that 1hp as a life saver, but at the same time use swords/axes for caster weapons instead of spears, which are able to hit that RoF on a spike and result in a 100dmg difference by just a quick T+space.
(of course there's no reason to using something imperfect in PvP anyway)
This game is all about Skill+Teamwork+Build advantage, equipment differences don't generate visible advantage. It's the use of the equipment that matters, like swapping the sets right.
Operative 14
Why not?
The point of Skill > Equipment only works becuase everything is balanced. Balanced means everything has the same stats. By common sense, you're going to get the best you can, so same stats means as good as you can get. Therefore everyone has the same gear, so only skill matters.
Ergo, perfect equipment = balanced = Skill > Equipment.
Though in my case it's becuase I like nice round numbers in my health bar.
The point of Skill > Equipment only works becuase everything is balanced. Balanced means everything has the same stats. By common sense, you're going to get the best you can, so same stats means as good as you can get. Therefore everyone has the same gear, so only skill matters.
Ergo, perfect equipment = balanced = Skill > Equipment.
Though in my case it's becuase I like nice round numbers in my health bar.
Cacheelma
I'd say it's the same reason why people buy prestige armors/weapon skins.
There's not much left to do after you beat the game so, getting perfect stuff is what some people choose to do (me included).
If I want to to buy some mods to use, I'd buy the usable ones with reasonable prices (like, 1k for +29 and stuff). Otherwise, perfect stuff only please.
There's not much left to do after you beat the game so, getting perfect stuff is what some people choose to do (me included).
If I want to to buy some mods to use, I'd buy the usable ones with reasonable prices (like, 1k for +29 and stuff). Otherwise, perfect stuff only please.
maraxusofk
so u really think equipment matters that much? yeah a player wit 29hp is obviously going to be better than a player with 30 hp right? *rollseyes* its up to preferences. do not drag skill into this. ppl can do whatever they want.
Ekelon
It's kinda like running 11 in an attribute and 12 in an attribute... you must have 12!
LightningHell
Another part of that is the predetermination of battles via gear, which isn't huge in Guild Wars. Obviously, swapping to a Fire +AL helps if you're facing Conjure Flame, but forgetting that isn't going to ensure your loss.
creelie
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It's kinda like running 11 in an attribute and 12 in an attribute... you must have 12!
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My OCD tendencies, let me show you them.
Zonzai
I'll buy them. IGN zonzai shinju
I may not give you as much as you were hoping for though.
I may not give you as much as you were hoping for though.
RhanoctJocosa
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Originally Posted by samcobra
Who cares what you run in PvE?
In PvP, if you don't want to have to buy perfect equipment, roll a PvP char. It's simple, really. |
Navaros
Why would anyone wanna gimp themselves with sub-par (aka "non-perfect") crap gear. Sure you can "win" with it. But you can also "win" with no weapons and no armor by flagging your heroes/henchies around and never ever engaging any enemies at all. So the fact that you can "win" with crap sub-par gear is hardly a good reason to gimp yourself with it. There is no reason to ever gimp yourself like that. Which is why almost no one ever does.
Coloneh
why would someone buy a non-perfect mod when they have the means to get a perfect one.
nightwatchman
I do use imperfect mods. They're forever dropping as +29s, 19%s etc, and if I need a mod, an imperfect one will typically do.
But I won't ever buy an imperfect mod from another player. Once I've decided that I'm going to the effort of trading, I go for the perfect so I don't need to do it again later.
But I won't ever buy an imperfect mod from another player. Once I've decided that I'm going to the effort of trading, I go for the perfect so I don't need to do it again later.
arsie
I used to have a bunch of 13^50, +25hp, +4 AL, +17% enchantment and stuff like that.
I slowly replaced then with better stuff when I find them. Even now, I believe that my heroes get at least a 14^50, +28hp and so on.
I slowly replaced then with better stuff when I find them. Even now, I believe that my heroes get at least a 14^50, +28hp and so on.
Hole Sale Traps
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Would you buy a car with a scratch on it?
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Really this is about Why buy something not perfect if you can wait 5 more mins and someone with a perfcet stat item your looking for comes and sells for the same price as a non perfect.
HawkofStorms
Skill is still more important.
If a good GvG guild with all +29 14^50 weapons fought a complete scrub guild with perfect weapons, the scrub guild would still get completely destroyed.
If a good GvG guild with all +29 14^50 weapons fought a complete scrub guild with perfect weapons, the scrub guild would still get completely destroyed.
Bryant Again
From a PvE standpoint, there shouldn't be any situations that are so drastic that a couple hitpoints will save you. If there are then you're doing something wrong. I also feel that it's less "no one wants them" and more that they'd be willing to buy the item at a very minuscule fraction of the price to that of a perfect one.
Carinae
I'll use +28/29 on heroes. But if I'm equiping a nice (and often expensive) skin for myself, I'm gonna get perfects.
example:
Tormented items with +29s are fail.
example:
Tormented items with +29s are fail.
lemming
It's still skill over equipment because perfect equipment is stupidly easy to get, compared to other MMOs.
zwei2stein
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People do buy the +29 hp mods all the time, simply to save some money untill they can afford perfect mods.
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You buy mod only to throw it away a bit later. They can as well save yourself trouble and money and buy perfect rightaway.
From itemization POV, imperfect is imperfect, deal with it. Small imperfections put together usually form bigger flaw:
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Ultra cheap person: Minor vitae, 25hp mods of hand/offhand: You miss 50hp (sup vigor). THAT is difference, and it means death/life.
Cheap person: Minor vigor, 28hp mods: You miss 24 HP. That is nearly one of those upgrades you miss. Would you do out without shield or sword suffix?
Because that is what you are doing.
Rational person: Major vigor, 29hp mods: you miss 11 HP. That is vitae rune out there or some survivor insignia. Seriously, if you had armor upgrade slot open, would you ignore ability to put there vitae rune/survivor insignia?
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But were talking PvE where people use attribute runes for attributes into which they didnt invest to/dont use instead of general runes they could use. (And they use sup runes + energy armor, so its not like they care about HP.)
If you want to use cheap upgrades, use +5 armor one, plentifull as they drop max on purple items and comparable to +30hp upgrade in usefullness (1 global armor is about equal to 6hp)
Redfeather1975
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It's still skill over equipment because perfect equipment is stupidly easy to get, compared to other MMOs.
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N1ghtstalker
cuz perfect stuff goes perfectly matched with skill
Longasc
GW has not much itemization compared to other MMOs. We also do not need that much gold for our equipment, except for fancy skins.
So why settle for +29, if we can get a +30 grip and have the feeling of perfection.
If you are on a budget, +29 HP for a hero weapon is smart idea. But I am spoilt enough to give my favorite heroes fancy perfect gear, too.
So why settle for +29, if we can get a +30 grip and have the feeling of perfection.
If you are on a budget, +29 HP for a hero weapon is smart idea. But I am spoilt enough to give my favorite heroes fancy perfect gear, too.
the_jos
The only reason to buy perfect mods is when you have the cash available or if you are playing PvP with a PvE character or PvE equipment.
For PvE, the near perfect upgrades are good enough.
However, there is not enough trading activity (both buying and selling) on those upgrades.
Let's assume a +29HP bow upgrade goes for 1K.
The time for me to sell the item should be less than the time I can earn it's value by farming or regular gameplay.
When I can earn 6K/hour I need to sell the item in 10 minutes.
The same for the buying side:
If I can buy the +29 upgrade for 1K and the perfect one for 3K and can also earn 6K/hour the +29 upgrade would only be profitable if I could obtain it in 20 minutes. If not, I should have earned the 2K extra by playing/farming and have gotten the perfect one.
Now if you can predict when a potential buyer will be in a particular outpost you can make the deal fast and make money.
If not, it could turn out in endless spamming and 'losing money' because you are not playing and earning cash.
For PvE, the near perfect upgrades are good enough.
However, there is not enough trading activity (both buying and selling) on those upgrades.
Let's assume a +29HP bow upgrade goes for 1K.
The time for me to sell the item should be less than the time I can earn it's value by farming or regular gameplay.
When I can earn 6K/hour I need to sell the item in 10 minutes.
The same for the buying side:
If I can buy the +29 upgrade for 1K and the perfect one for 3K and can also earn 6K/hour the +29 upgrade would only be profitable if I could obtain it in 20 minutes. If not, I should have earned the 2K extra by playing/farming and have gotten the perfect one.
Now if you can predict when a potential buyer will be in a particular outpost you can make the deal fast and make money.
If not, it could turn out in endless spamming and 'losing money' because you are not playing and earning cash.
Lord Sojar
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That isn't because you happened to stay alive by your last hit point. Its because a game mechanic left you on 1 even though mathematically you should be negative. Being left on 1 hp is very common, and you would still be on 1hp if you had a +30 instead of a +29
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Kityn
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Originally Posted by enxa
...does nobody want to buy a +29 hp upgrade? or -5/19 for shield, or 19% longer ehcnantments... Why, oh why???
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LuckyGiant
The reason: Mods appear to drop more regularly, are a guaranteed salvage and are extremely cheap for the wealth people have built over the past 3 years.
Back when sword +30 went for 150k+ a couple of years ago it was a completely different story. 50k+ for +29hp, 15k for +28hp... majority of players settled for less than max mods on most items.
Back when sword +30 went for 150k+ a couple of years ago it was a completely different story. 50k+ for +29hp, 15k for +28hp... majority of players settled for less than max mods on most items.
cebalrai
Beacause people have money and there aren't a huge number of things to spend $ on in GW.
Pleikki
Meh i think everyone like perfect stuff but imo i like my r8 14^50 chaos axe that is customized more then r10 15^50 that would cost same 
Avarre
Skill is more important.
That does not mean that all other factors are irrelevant.
You want as many advantages as you can get, and flawless equipment is one of them. There have been PvP cases where players have used non-max items and still won, but why take any disadvantage?
That does not mean that all other factors are irrelevant.
You want as many advantages as you can get, and flawless equipment is one of them. There have been PvP cases where players have used non-max items and still won, but why take any disadvantage?
Amy Awien
The near-perfect stuff drops sufficiently often in loot to not want to go into the WTB/WTS channels and wait, or ask, around for them. When I do trade, I can as well buy the max version of a mod.
Darksun
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perfect items = +1 to e-peen. all else fails.
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Tyla
Because people want whats most effective - why go for +29hp when you can get +30hp, sure its only 1hp more, but that 1hp can save your characters life.
The combination of Skill and Equipment is much more effective than just one of them.
I think Avarre has explained it muuuch better than me...
The combination of Skill and Equipment is much more effective than just one of them.
I think Avarre has explained it muuuch better than me...
Ouchie
Personally I don't care about 1 hp difference I do use 29 and 28 here and there if needed especially on weapons for my heros. Nobody knows whether an item is perfect or not but you