this is my monk bar as i have set up. my problem is not really good at using the proto part of my bar
[skill]Word of healing[/skill][skill]dwayna's kiss[/skill][skill]dismiss condition[/skill]
[skill]cure hex[/skill][skill]protective spirit[/skill][skill]aegis[/skill][skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]rez chant[/skill]
my question is when should i use my proto spirit and aegis. my thought is pre use aegis before battle but if i should see a target getting damage should i use proto spirit before the heal or after the heal
proto advice
rick1027
Chik N Nuggets
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Siirius Black
I think he refers to "Protective Spirit".
I usually use it when I see that one of the party members is being hammered constantly. That skill will slow the rate of health degradation siince party member cant loose more than 10% of his current health. This will allow you to heal other party members before getting back to that player.
I usually use it when I see that one of the party members is being hammered constantly. That skill will slow the rate of health degradation siince party member cant loose more than 10% of his current health. This will allow you to heal other party members before getting back to that player.
Daenara
I tend to watch the screen instead of the red bars. If you see 3 big bad guys stand next to one little caster hero, you know it's in for a world of pain, so use prot spirit then? 
The best advice I can give is to try monking without your party bar on for a while, you get much better at following the fights and preprotting.
The best advice I can give is to try monking without your party bar on for a while, you get much better at following the fights and preprotting.
Trvth Jvstice
@ Daenara, Yikes! I spend probably 75% of my time watching the bars during a battle. Is the technique you mentioned one that all good monks use, or just one that you have developed a knack for?
Juno Onuj
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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice
@ Daenara, Yikes! I spend probably 75% of my time watching the bars during a battle. Is the technique you mentioned one that all good monks use, or just one that you have developed a knack for?
Watching bars is bad.
mrmango
Learn to watch the battlefield.
Cherng Butter
You can prot spirit anybody you predict to receive a whopping of elementalist boss damage, or the warrior as he runs in.
samcobra
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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice
@ Daenara, Yikes! I spend probably 75% of my time watching the bars during a battle. Is the technique you mentioned one that all good monks use, or just one that you have developed a knack for?
Yes, all good monks watch the screen instead of party bars. Party bars are there just to remind you to mop up damage. For the most part, you should focus on preventing that damage in the first place, which means you need to look at the field.
His advice is good. Press P, set your hero monk to pure heal, and just monk using the field. Force yourself to shy away from the party bar.
His advice is good. Press P, set your hero monk to pure heal, and just monk using the field. Force yourself to shy away from the party bar.
I D E L E T E D I
in addition to samcobra's advice. Run an SoD pure prot build and preprot at your hearts desire. Why SoD you might ask. Simply because its the only good Prot Elite that encourages good pre protting
Coloneh
where is rof on your skillbar? i cant seem to find it... why is this?
you shouldnt need prot spirit all that often, rof(where is it?) and SoA/shielding hands/guardian(where are they?) should handle most pressure
you shouldnt need prot spirit all that often, rof(where is it?) and SoA/shielding hands/guardian(where are they?) should handle most pressure
JDRyder
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where is rof on your skillbar? i cant seem to find it... why is this?
you shouldnt need prot spirit all that often, rof(where is it?) and SoA/shielding hands/guardian(where are they?) should handle most pressure shhhhhhhhhhh
but yea id take out Dkiss for rof, best most skill ever. but dont take out PS thats also leetness
you shouldnt need prot spirit all that often, rof(where is it?) and SoA/shielding hands/guardian(where are they?) should handle most pressure shhhhhhhhhhh
but yea id take out Dkiss for rof, best most skill ever. but dont take out PS thats also leetness
Div
Losing protective spirit in HM is like losing an arm.
ShockValue
I try and pre-aegis right before a pull. With 14 in protection, and a 20% enchant staff, most of the mobs drop before aegis does. It makes the rest of the healing/protting very relaxed.
ender6
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shhhhhhhhhhh
but yea id take out Dkiss for rof, best most skill ever. but dont take out PS thats also leetness I think you are grossly exaggerating the leetness of RoF. During the days of the Boon Prot it was simply amazing. Nowadays it is more of a panic button skill. Lately I have found it sliding off of more and more of my monk bars to make room for more proactive skills. In PvE HM I suppose scenarios would arise where I'd need to fall back on it. In NM, not a chance.
but yea id take out Dkiss for rof, best most skill ever. but dont take out PS thats also leetness I think you are grossly exaggerating the leetness of RoF. During the days of the Boon Prot it was simply amazing. Nowadays it is more of a panic button skill. Lately I have found it sliding off of more and more of my monk bars to make room for more proactive skills. In PvE HM I suppose scenarios would arise where I'd need to fall back on it. In NM, not a chance.
Chthon
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Losing protective spirit in HM is like losing an arm.
Or rather, losing PS leads to losing an arm...
Yichi
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shhhhhhhhhhh
but yea id take out Dkiss for rof, best most skill ever. but dont take out PS thats also leetness I would drop the rez chant for the rof personally... Monks shouldn't be ressing.
but yea id take out Dkiss for rof, best most skill ever. but dont take out PS thats also leetness I would drop the rez chant for the rof personally... Monks shouldn't be ressing.
Coloneh
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I think you are grossly exaggerating the leetness of RoF. During the days of the Boon Prot it was simply amazing. Nowadays it is more of a panic button skill. Lately I have found it sliding off of more and more of my monk bars to make room for more proactive skills. In PvE HM I suppose scenarios would arise where I'd need to fall back on it. In NM, not a chance.
you serious? its 5 energy for a huge heal, sorta. it lowers damage and then heals which is sorta like a huge heal... anyways, use it more. If i could only take 1 skill on my bar it would be rof, brings bars up faster than any other non-elite in the game for 5 energy.
ender6
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you serious? its 5 energy for a huge heal, sorta. it lowers damage and then heals which is sorta like a huge heal... anyways, use it more. If i could only take 1 skill on my bar it would be rof, brings bars up faster than any other non-elite in the game for 5 energy.
Yes I am quite serious. How is it anymore effective than say WoH, as described by your usage? Which is on most Hybrid Prot bars.
If you want red bar up, use WoH. Not RoF. Sounds like you've been using RoF inappropiately. Like I said, it's a great panic button skill. It certainly has saved many of asses on many of occassion. But, as I stated: in PvE NM I have no need for it.
If you want red bar up, use WoH. Not RoF. Sounds like you've been using RoF inappropiately. Like I said, it's a great panic button skill. It certainly has saved many of asses on many of occassion. But, as I stated: in PvE NM I have no need for it.
fainty
inside HM only depends what build you use...
Mostly RoF is kinda nice, but at some missions you will find it slacking and can use an other skill better instead. Same for WoH as your choice of elite skill...
Mostly RoF is kinda nice, but at some missions you will find it slacking and can use an other skill better instead. Same for WoH as your choice of elite skill...
Coloneh
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Yes I am quite serious. How is it anymore effective than say WoH, as described by your usage? Which is on most Hybrid Prot bars.
If you want red bar up, use WoH. Not RoF. Sounds like you've been using RoF inappropiately. Like I said, it's a great panic button skill. It certainly has saved many of asses on many of occassion. But, as I stated: in PvE NM I have no need for it. RoF can be used to anticipate damage unlike a spike heal. It is also quite a bit safer to cast rof on a terget at relatively high health than to wait for a target to hit low health and hit them with WoH.
I do see your point though, RoF is less useful with WoH on your bar, but not everyone uses WoH. I would rather have RC. kiss and RoF fill the spike heal role enough for me.
If you want red bar up, use WoH. Not RoF. Sounds like you've been using RoF inappropiately. Like I said, it's a great panic button skill. It certainly has saved many of asses on many of occassion. But, as I stated: in PvE NM I have no need for it. RoF can be used to anticipate damage unlike a spike heal. It is also quite a bit safer to cast rof on a terget at relatively high health than to wait for a target to hit low health and hit them with WoH.
I do see your point though, RoF is less useful with WoH on your bar, but not everyone uses WoH. I would rather have RC. kiss and RoF fill the spike heal role enough for me.
ender6
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RoF can be used to anticipate damage unlike a spike heal. It is also quite a bit safer to cast rof on a terget at relatively high health than to wait for a target to hit low health and hit them with WoH.
I do see your point though, RoF is less useful with WoH on your bar, but not everyone uses WoH. I would rather have RC. kiss and RoF fill the spike heal role enough for me. My point really had nothing to do with one having or not having WoH on their bar. Incidentally there really is no need to throw RoF onto a target with relatively high health, sounds like waste a of energy to me.
I do see your point though, RoF is less useful with WoH on your bar, but not everyone uses WoH. I would rather have RC. kiss and RoF fill the spike heal role enough for me. My point really had nothing to do with one having or not having WoH on their bar. Incidentally there really is no need to throw RoF onto a target with relatively high health, sounds like waste a of energy to me.
Tyla
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My point really had nothing to do with one having or not having WoH on their bar. Incidentally there really is no need to throw RoF onto a target with relatively high health, sounds like waste a of energy to me.
Only if you're healing people it is.
Mitigation through pre-prot stops people bars from moving down.
Mitigation through pre-prot stops people bars from moving down.
ender6
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Only if you're healing people it is.
Mitigation through pre-prot stops people bars from moving down.
Um, yeah, I'm well aware of that "use" of RoF. Still a waste of energy. I won't go in depth, but if you want to mitigate damage, try something like shielding hands, SoA, Gaurdian, etc.
I never stated that I don't like RoF, I simply stated that I think it's leetness is greatly exaggerated. Further, I think its notoriety arose during the days of the boon prot. Nowadays in PvE NM I use more proactive skills.
@Coloneh: Incidentally if you are playing RC, I am sure your group must have a secondary monk that has an actual heal, like ZB/WoH/HB healer. You could let them use their 5e cast to bring the bar up when it is necessary, while you use more functional prots.
Here is where I value RoF: I'm in TA and I have a Megabane camping me, a warrior on me with KDs, and someone on my team is about to die if I don't get a cast off. Or maybe someone is getting spiked, because I faied to pre-prot or the prot got stripped, in either case, a quick RoF is a life saver to give me a second to WoH and PS (for example). Or maybe I have diversion on me, and If I don't get a ZB off someone will die. So maybe I will kill diversion with *gasp* RoF. Those are scenarios where it is worth using.
In NM PvE nothing of that nature will happen.
Mitigation through pre-prot stops people bars from moving down.
Um, yeah, I'm well aware of that "use" of RoF. Still a waste of energy. I won't go in depth, but if you want to mitigate damage, try something like shielding hands, SoA, Gaurdian, etc.I never stated that I don't like RoF, I simply stated that I think it's leetness is greatly exaggerated. Further, I think its notoriety arose during the days of the boon prot. Nowadays in PvE NM I use more proactive skills.
@Coloneh: Incidentally if you are playing RC, I am sure your group must have a secondary monk that has an actual heal, like ZB/WoH/HB healer. You could let them use their 5e cast to bring the bar up when it is necessary, while you use more functional prots.
Here is where I value RoF: I'm in TA and I have a Megabane camping me, a warrior on me with KDs, and someone on my team is about to die if I don't get a cast off. Or maybe someone is getting spiked, because I faied to pre-prot or the prot got stripped, in either case, a quick RoF is a life saver to give me a second to WoH and PS (for example). Or maybe I have diversion on me, and If I don't get a ZB off someone will die. So maybe I will kill diversion with *gasp* RoF. Those are scenarios where it is worth using.
In NM PvE nothing of that nature will happen.
Tyla
RoF is spammable, unlike them.
RoF is like a small, cheap version of Spirit Bond.
And for Diversion, Pre-Veil.
RoF should be on any Prot bar as it is imo, the strongest damage mitigation tool you can get.
RoF is like a small, cheap version of Spirit Bond.
And for Diversion, Pre-Veil.
RoF should be on any Prot bar as it is imo, the strongest damage mitigation tool you can get.
Pyro maniac
I'm not a huge fan of RoF either. I usually run 'red bars up' elites and they're as efficient or even more then RoF.
I'm only using it when going pure prot to have at least some form of healing, which I do rarely.
I'm only using it when going pure prot to have at least some form of healing, which I do rarely.
ender6
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Quote: Originally Posted by tyla salanari RoF is like a small, cheap version of Spirit Bond. Except SpirtBond last for 10 hits RoF 1.....Yeah great comparison.
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And for Diversion, Pre-Veil.
So you've never been hit with multiple hexes that beat the recharge time of HV? Please if you didn't understand my point don't waste my time with silly retorts.
Incidentally by that logic, if things worked perfectly, pre-prot/preveil/etc, there would be no need for RoF.
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Except SpirtBond last for 10 hits RoF 1.....Yeah great comparison.
Incidentally by that logic, if things worked perfectly, pre-prot/preveil/etc, there would be no need for RoF.
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
RoF should be on any Prot bar as it is imo, the strongest damage mitigation tool you can get.
And you are entitled to your oppinion. Though I think that is funny that the strongest dmg mitigation you have is RoF. You may want to look into Prot Spirit, Aegis, Gaurdian, SoA, etc.
Tyla
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Holy Veil is a MAINTAINED Enchantment, and double-clicking it when you see Diversion pop up is key, especially because it makes hexes cast on you take 2x as much time to cast.
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Incidentally by that logic, if things worked perfectly, pre-prot/preveil/etc, there would be no need for RoF.
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So you were just telling me the spell description? Not implying that you spam it? Thanks for describing the spell. Who do you think you are fooling?
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And what are you doing when you cast RoF before a spike, heavy damage ect.? PRE-PROTTING. You do realize Prot Spirit is more effective for that? Unless you are refering to a gimick spike like Gothway. Though that type of scenario was covered in my above aforementioned posts. RoF aka panic button. Quote:
I use it when needed - it's practically always recharged when I need it.
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I'm positive you're just bad at Monking versus hex pressure ect.
And besides -- in AB, I barely ever see Domination mesmers.
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Plus RoF has no effect against BloodSpike.
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You do realize that RoF can be wanded right off of you, right? Your logic is argumentative with no substance.
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And to this I said I liked RoF, simply that it has been sliding off of my bar more and more lately in NM. I don't think we have any disagreement here.
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Your comparisons to Shielding Hands, Guardian, and SoA are without merit, because RoF is not used in the same way. SH and SoA are only effective against concentrated small-packet damage over extended periods - exactly the opposite of RoF's optimum condition. Guardian is only effective against physicals and there is no guarantee of it actually having any effect; ergo, it is again primarily effective against concentrated fire over a period. Both Guardian and SoA are slow casts; SH and SoA have long recharges.
I wasn't comparing them, i was actually differentiating them. I stated that Shielding Hands, Aegis, Gaurdian, SoA, etc. Are all forms of damage mitigation. I said that RoF is a panic button skill. A skill used to buy you some time until you stabalize the situation. By the way as you describe all of the specific scenarios that each prot serves, you do realize that good monks don't blindly cast prots. Everything has its place and functionality. To that effect I described what I think RoF is best used for. Nothing more, nothing less. Quote:
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