Arenanet and NCsoft have announced Guild Wars 2. Awesome! But my question is: Did they do it too soon?
You see, my MMORPG chronology is as follows:
Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Everquest, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars.
As you can see, presently I am locked in a feverish battle between Guild Wars and WoW, two superpowers of the MMO universe.
I suddenly wanted to play Guild Wars again, but then a thought crossed my mind.
Why should I even bother playing? Guild Wars 2 will be out in two or three years, so why not just play WoW until then?
My concern is that they jumped the gun a bit in announcing Guild Wars 2. Because now, in theory, mind you, potential players and even current players will begin to ask the same question that I do now.
What does Guild Wars have besides no monthly subscription that will keep not only its five million subscribers, but future potential subscribers as well. What is to stop us from asking this potentially dangerous question?
Why should I play Guild Wars when I have Guild Wars 2 to look forward to? Why should I waste my time developing a character only to abandon it to work on another character in Guild Wars 2?
I'm not doing this to attack Guild Wars or any of its players. I want to see the community thrive and succeed, and so concerns like this must be presented so that efforts can deliberately be taken to ensure that this question will not be repeated 5 million times.
Thank you for your time.
Cause for concern?
Vasallus
beregond
Ummm because you acomplishments in Guild Wars will carry over to guild Wars 2 via Hall of Monuments, so in reality, its not all for nothing.
Vasallus
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Ummm because you acomplishments in Guild Wars will carry over to guild Wars 2 via Hall of Monuments, so in reality, its not all for nothing.
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All 12 characters that you have spent hours and hours of your time getting the best armor and weapons for?
It just seems a bit pointless to even start a character with Guild Wars 2 looming over the horizon.
But the horrible thing is that I want to play GW! I do! But I don't want Guild Wars 2 to come out and me just be like "Oh...cya Guild Wars."
Covah
GW2 is coming out in 2010, i think you have time to play GW.....
GW2 is a completely different game. Titles, minis, armor, all the stuff in your hall of monuments with give your character stuff in GW2.
No one is "forcing" you too max titles, Anet said that people who DID max titles will be rewarded with things in GW2. The things they get won't make them better then people who didn't max or play GW1 but people will know by what they have that they did certain things.
We shouldn't even be worrying about GW2 at this point.
GW2 is a completely different game. Titles, minis, armor, all the stuff in your hall of monuments with give your character stuff in GW2.
No one is "forcing" you too max titles, Anet said that people who DID max titles will be rewarded with things in GW2. The things they get won't make them better then people who didn't max or play GW1 but people will know by what they have that they did certain things.
We shouldn't even be worrying about GW2 at this point.
Biostem
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Originally Posted by Vasallus
Arenanet and NCsoft have announced Guild Wars 2. Awesome! But my question is: Did they do it too soon?
You see, my MMORPG chronology is as follows: Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Everquest, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars. As you can see, presently I am locked in a feverish battle between Guild Wars and WoW, two superpowers of the MMO universe. I suddenly wanted to play Guild Wars again, but then a thought crossed my mind. Why should I even bother playing? Guild Wars 2 will be out in two or three years, so why not just play WoW until then? My concern is that they jumped the gun a bit in announcing Guild Wars 2. Because now, in theory, mind you, potential players and even current players will begin to ask the same question that I do now. What does Guild Wars have besides no monthly subscription that will keep not only its five million subscribers, but future potential subscribers as well. What is to stop us from asking this potentially dangerous question? Why should I play Guild Wars when I have Guild Wars 2 to look forward to? Why should I waste my time developing a character only to abandon it to work on another character in Guild Wars 2? I'm not doing this to attack Guild Wars or any of its players. I want to see the community thrive and succeed, and so concerns like this must be presented so that efforts can deliberately be taken to ensure that this question will not be repeated 5 million times. Thank you for your time. |
I'm really not sure what else you're looking for... would you want ANet to announce GW2 a week before its release? A month? We hear about movies a year or more before they are released, so why does this surprise you? ANet already made their money, and while I enjoy GW1, it's pretty much run its course...
Stockholm
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Because you like the game. Why else are you playing video games?
Ultra Mega
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Why should I even bother playing?
Why should I play Guild Wars when I have Guild Wars 2 to look forward to? Why should I waste my time developing a character only to abandon it to work on another character in Guild Wars 2? |
Why are you playing WoW if at sometime in the future you will be playing a different game? Why did you play all those other games if you were going to move onto another game?
Vasallus
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Most people play video games to have fun. So if you still have fun playing Guild Wars then continue playing it.
Why are you playing WoW if at sometime in the future you will be playing a different game? Why did you play all those other games if you were going to move onto another game? |
It's always "Oh GW is awesome, but WoW has this or GW has this or FFXI has this"
Does anyone else have this problem?
Antheus
If you're looking for a purpose in life, you'll not find it in games. So worrying about virtual achievements is bound to be a futile attempt. Nothing will persist and nothing will give you sense of achievement.
So better start considering MMOs as time sinks on which one wastes life.
That's the bottom line. Of all the things, sense of achievement is purely virtual. You might want to look into more satisfying things in life.
So better start considering MMOs as time sinks on which one wastes life.
That's the bottom line. Of all the things, sense of achievement is purely virtual. You might want to look into more satisfying things in life.
Vasallus
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Originally Posted by Antheus
If you're looking for a purpose in life, you'll not find it in games. So worrying about virtual achievements is bound to be a futile attempt. Nothing will persist and nothing will give you sense of achievement.
So better start considering MMOs as time sinks on which one wastes life. That's the bottom line. Of all the things, sense of achievement is purely virtual. You might want to look into more satisfying things in life. |
gremlin
Well Origami might be better than wow 
Only kidding if you like it more power to you.
I admit to never having played it "would have done if it wasn't subscription based" but in all honesty I have never heard anything about the game that would attract me.
As for me I am playing GW, Two worlds and soon rainbow six Vegas 2 they should occupy my time for quite a while.
Only kidding if you like it more power to you.
I admit to never having played it "would have done if it wasn't subscription based" but in all honesty I have never heard anything about the game that would attract me.
As for me I am playing GW, Two worlds and soon rainbow six Vegas 2 they should occupy my time for quite a while.
cosyfiep
OP I think you answered you own question---gw2 will be out in 2 or 3 YEARS, gw itself is just having its third birthday....so there is plenty of time left in it.
I do agree that they did shot eye in the foot by releasing the news about gw2 at the same time...a while after gwen came out would have been fine---or right after it came out to give people incentive to continue to play it, but many people said pffft why bother when we can just wait for the next one?
personally I wont be getting gw2 so I really dont care that anet hurt there chances .....means nothing to me
anylonger
I do agree that they did shot eye in the foot by releasing the news about gw2 at the same time...a while after gwen came out would have been fine---or right after it came out to give people incentive to continue to play it, but many people said pffft why bother when we can just wait for the next one?
personally I wont be getting gw2 so I really dont care that anet hurt there chances .....means nothing to me
anylonger
Rexion
This should answer all of your questions about Guild Wars 2
besides. Guild Wars has all sorts of people... Ones that "hate/are jealous of" WoW. Ones that don't the like cartoony graphics WoW. People that got bored of super grind-fests and staying up all night just to get nothing from a raid that you spent 4 hours in.
It really doesn't matter why 5mil people are playing Guild Wars. All that matters is they are playing, and enjoying.
besides. Guild Wars has all sorts of people... Ones that "hate/are jealous of" WoW. Ones that don't the like cartoony graphics WoW. People that got bored of super grind-fests and staying up all night just to get nothing from a raid that you spent 4 hours in.
It really doesn't matter why 5mil people are playing Guild Wars. All that matters is they are playing, and enjoying.
Darkobra
Well it won't be out for a good few years and I generally play games that I enjoy.
If you're starting to think about what items and accomplishments you can gain from it rather than how much fun you can get out of it, then you're right. There is no point playing Guild Wars.
If you're starting to think about what items and accomplishments you can gain from it rather than how much fun you can get out of it, then you're right. There is no point playing Guild Wars.
wanmoke
Do you always think about your fun this seriously?
You play it to have fun. To waste your time. It's not a commitment, you're not getting personal gain other than a sense of achievement when you accomplish something. It'll be gone soon, yea. Do what makes you happy. I'm happy playing Guild Wars.
You play it to have fun. To waste your time. It's not a commitment, you're not getting personal gain other than a sense of achievement when you accomplish something. It'll be gone soon, yea. Do what makes you happy. I'm happy playing Guild Wars.
DarkFlame
Is Gw still fun for you? If so then play it, if not then cycle through your other games.
Honestly, saying you'll stop using something just because something else is coming out in 2-3 years is just plain silly.
Honestly, saying you'll stop using something just because something else is coming out in 2-3 years is just plain silly.
Molock
You play a game to have fun... don't play in an attempt to "achieve" anything because honestly, you don't "achieve" anything in a game.
Basicly, which game are you going to have more fun playing? Play that one.
Basicly, which game are you going to have more fun playing? Play that one.
Usurp
I played WoW for awhile...and ended up quitting because it became almost a chore. All that grinding, profession training, waiting for live players to form a party, monthly fees...not for me. Guild Wars has answered most, if not all, of the issues I had with WoW. Instead of just grinding and farming, I am enjoying following the story-line with quests and missions...and am looking forward to some PvP in the future. I do like the fact that I am enjoying GW...and that my in-game accomplishments will carry over to GW2. Furthermore, I can actually play the game...and still have a life!
To the OP...maybe you should mix in some outdoor and real-world social activities into your schedule if you don't already do that...and just stick with the game that fits your play-style best. If you enjoy playing it...then it is the right game for you.
Good fortune.
To the OP...maybe you should mix in some outdoor and real-world social activities into your schedule if you don't already do that...and just stick with the game that fits your play-style best. If you enjoy playing it...then it is the right game for you.
Good fortune.
Commander Ryker
Seeing as this isn't a question and more of a discussion, I'm moving it to Riverside.
Squishy ftw
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Saraphim
There's no way 5 million people are playing GW. It's 5 million copies sold, inclusive of three campaigns +1 expansion. For the sake of argument say most people have bought those 4, that whittles it down to just over a million in a blink. Then count the hordes of people that bought multiple accounts before character slots went up in the store.
I'd be surprised if there's much more than 5-600,000 people playing, if that.
Anyway, if GW2 does go to a beta in 2008 I'd expect to see it sometime in '09.
I'd be surprised if there's much more than 5-600,000 people playing, if that.
Anyway, if GW2 does go to a beta in 2008 I'd expect to see it sometime in '09.
Brianna
Play in the now.
Two years is a long way my friend, a long way. You can still enjoy Guild Wars for a long time to come, most of us will be bored and quit the game by the time the second one is out, so really in the end it didn't matter.
Two years is a long way my friend, a long way. You can still enjoy Guild Wars for a long time to come, most of us will be bored and quit the game by the time the second one is out, so really in the end it didn't matter.
Master Knightfall
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GW based on law of averages probably only has less than 500,000 players worldwide. Mainly because you have players that buy one version of the game, play it a bit and then quit. Then you have those that buy several copies of the game which is the same person not a new and different SUBSCIBER because GW doesn't have SUBSCRIBERS for one thing. lol And then you have the regular joe that buys 1 of EACH of the chapters, which once again that doesn't mean a NEW individual player for each purchase.
GW is working on a very LOW population of people playing it now. It has some new players of course and has retained an pct of it's old player base but hardly the same amount as when GW released else they would have sold 8 million copies by now. It's taking longer and longer for them to reach the next million milestone mark than the previous times as well.
So anyway just a correcting you post so you understand GW doesn't have 5 million players and/or subscribers. <grin>
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Shakti
Dang...deja vu. I swear we've had this convo before....orite
As Briana said, play in the now. 2 years is a long time in a game and in life. You love gw? Enjoy gw
As Briana said, play in the now. 2 years is a long time in a game and in life. You love gw? Enjoy gw
Bryant Again
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Why should I play Guild Wars when I have Guild Wars 2 to look forward to? Why should I waste my time developing a character only to abandon it to work on another character in Guild Wars 2?
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aapo
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If you're looking for a purpose in life, you'll not find it in games. So worrying about virtual achievements is bound to be a futile attempt. Nothing will persist and nothing will give you sense of achievement.
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Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 "Meaningless! Meaningless!"
says the Teacher.
"Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless."
3 What does man gain from all his labor
at which he toils under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
"Look! This is something new"?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 There is no remembrance of men of old,
and even those who are yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow.
- This is one of my favorite parts of Bible.
Turtle222
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You play a game to have fun... don't play in an attempt to "achieve" anything because honestly, you don't "achieve" anything in a game.
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Ouchie
---and I was thinking of buying another character slot because just for fun ---- what was I thinking of ----slaps self in face-----
wetsparks
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Why clear the dungeons and raids in WoW when all of the loot you get is likely to become obsolete in the next patch? The answer is the same for the question above: For fun. If you play a game for any other reason you are most likely going to set yourself up for disappointment.
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All the phat loot the l337 players in WoW have gathered up will do them precisely jack when Lich King comes out later this year. Same with any other game, new ones will come out, later, so have fun with the games you have now.
MarlinBackna
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Hate to burst your bubble bud, but, GW doesn't have 5 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS, it's just sold 5 million copies TOTAL of different chatpers/expansion of the game. On the other hand WOW DOES HAVE over 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS someone said 10 MILLION not long ago.
GW based on law of averages probably only has less than 500,000 players worldwide. Mainly because you have players that buy one version of the game, play it a bit and then quit. Then you have those that buy several copies of the game which is the same person not a new and different SUBSCIBER because GW doesn't have SUBSCRIBERS for one thing. lol And then you have the regular joe that buys 1 of EACH of the chapters, which once again that doesn't mean a NEW individual player for each purchase. GW is working on a very LOW population of people playing it now. It has some new players of course and has retained an pct of it's old player base but hardly the same amount as when GW released else they would have sold 8 million copies by now. It's taking longer and longer for them to reach the next million milestone mark than the previous times as well. So anyway just a correcting you post so you understand GW doesn't have 5 million players and/or subscribers. <grin> |
It also took only 6 months to reach 5 million from 4 million. That isn't a long time at all. :/ WoW took anywhere from 3 months to a full year per million subscribers.
Anyway, the take-home message is: don't compare GW numbers to WoW numbers. WoW wins, everyone knows it, yipee horray. Compare GW to other MMO's and it is one of the best selling of all time (as in Top Ten). In fact, it is one of the top selling PC games, beating out Diablo I, Diablo II w/ its expansion (narrowly...), all of the Age of Empires games, Warcraft 3, Neverwinter Nights, and Bioshock.
@OP: What most people have said about any game is true: play it for fun, for leisure. You will then think it is time not wasted. If you think that it is time wasted, then you are probably right.
shoyon456
I feel this way too, my whole guildwars experience has been sour since that announcement. Just when I thought NF was anets 2nd big break. I pick away at every update (like the current one) for seeing all their screwups and the fact that they are not listening to the majority player base, but instead a "select" few.
Also, I believe they took/are taking gw1 in the wrong direction with EOTN and recent updates. We're stepping back instead of forward. Not to mention, now that GW2 has been set into motion, I believe we'll be experiencing more of the wait that came with waiting for the design weapon releases (they had intended to release them much earlier, and you know game companies and their "word")
Oh well, I can keep gw around because of the no monthly, so theres no reason to complain in the end.
Also, I believe they took/are taking gw1 in the wrong direction with EOTN and recent updates. We're stepping back instead of forward. Not to mention, now that GW2 has been set into motion, I believe we'll be experiencing more of the wait that came with waiting for the design weapon releases (they had intended to release them much earlier, and you know game companies and their "word")
Oh well, I can keep gw around because of the no monthly, so theres no reason to complain in the end.
Aerian_Skybane
Why play or do anything when there is another one coming out? The only fear one would have of GW1s impending doom (draaaaaaamaaaaa) is if their only accomplishment in life is acheiving virtual prowress in GW. ANet is satiating some of that by the HoM, but to be honest, I guarantee the common player doesn't give two rats asses about transferance, they are looking forward to a unique experience.
I knew Diablo II was coming out, but I still played Diablo. It was fun. I have yet to unravel the mystery of transference psychology in MMOs. It is a lot stronger here than in standard games. It really does boggle the mind.
I knew Diablo II was coming out, but I still played Diablo. It was fun. I have yet to unravel the mystery of transference psychology in MMOs. It is a lot stronger here than in standard games. It really does boggle the mind.
sassoonssamson
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, but to be honest, I guarantee the common player doesn't give two rats asses about transferance, they are looking forward to a unique experience.
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I dont know why people compare between WOW and GW
GW is in a different niche market and they have a successful business model.
Anyway the whole transference will just be cosmetic ( no added boost or advantage) maybe more emotes veteran titles stuff like that or memrobilia or mini pets
I like GW honestly coz with marrid +2 kids i dont get time to play that much and GW fits right in
BTW to the original thread between now and 2010
there is Age of Conan , WAR and Stargate Worlds coming up not to mention SPORE (though its not a MMORPG).
How many people are attached to this game can be seen at the last new year celebration which was 2 to 3 weeks ago.
At its peak there were over 250 dists opened up in America and over 150 in europe (I know only the English one)
with 400 dist * atleast 500 people on each( there were more ) = 200,000 simaltaneous logged in at same time .
sassoonssamson
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I feel this way too, my whole guildwars experience has been sour since that announcement. Just when I thought NF was anets 2nd big break. I pick away at every update (like the current one) for seeing all their screwups and the fact that they are not listening to the majority player base, but instead a "select" few.
Also, I believe they took/are taking gw1 in the wrong direction with EOTN and recent updates. We're stepping back instead of forward. Not to mention, now that GW2 has been set into motion, I believe we'll be experiencing more of the wait that came with waiting for the design weapon releases (they had intended to release them much earlier, and you know game companies and their "word") Oh well, I can keep gw around because of the no monthly, so theres no reason to complain in the end. |
Anet did loose its way but were smart to recover that why they hacked the 4th campaign
Prophecies was its glory + sorrow furnace update was amazing and to think they are charging 9.99 dollars for Bonus Mission Pack a lot need not be said
But again as there is no monthly fee cant complain much
Skyy High
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Because you like the game. Why else are you playing video games?
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Seriously, if you like GW, play GW. If you like WoW, play WoW. It's not even like playing WoW is a better value for your money in the long run; you may need to buy GW2 eventually (2009/2010...), but you're paying a monthly fee for WoW.
enter_the_zone
Just to clarify. GW has not got 5 million subscribers. They have shifted 5 million boxes across 4 releases. That barely equates to 1 million per release, not counting the people like me who have contributed 8 separate purchases (2 accounts, all chapters + EoTN).
Yes, GW2 was announced too soon. It'll almost certainly be an anticlimax now. Still, gives me time to play something else, though I doubt GW2 will appeal at all. Too MMO, not enough RPG is my bet.
Yes, GW2 was announced too soon. It'll almost certainly be an anticlimax now. Still, gives me time to play something else, though I doubt GW2 will appeal at all. Too MMO, not enough RPG is my bet.
Linksys
Maybe the original post author is afraid of the feeling of farming and playing in GW1, only to have it equate to nothing. Sometimes I wonder about that too. I know that when GW2 comes out, GW1 will still be online for a while. But I'm sure it won't be online like say 20 years from now. At some point it will all be gone. I'm not sure how our accomplishments will carry on. Maybe we'll be able to order some certificate or plaque listing our entire titles tab or something.
Rekiara Malevu
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Maybe the original post author is afraid of the feeling of farming and playing in GW1, only to have it equate to nothing. Sometimes I wonder about that too. I know that when GW2 comes out, GW1 will still be online for a while. But I'm sure it won't be online like say 20 years from now. At some point it will all be gone. I'm not sure how our accomplishments will carry on. Maybe we'll be able to order some certificate or plaque listing our entire titles tab or something.
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I am all for doing things just for fun, and spend most of my free time doing just that. However, if you really are wanting to create lasting accomplishments that you can be proud of in 20 years (rather than just looking to justify the time you spent gaming online after you realized you weren't having fun), take this time and find a quality charity organization in your town. Raise a family. Go back to school and become a doctor. Coach a little league team. Sponsor a local band that you enjoy. Organize a weekly neighborhood block party. Volunteer as a reader at your public library. Raise funds to support your local school district. Join a youth mentoring program. Offer to help that guy who lives across the street with his car trouble. In short, do something that has a real impact on real people's lives. I guarantee the sense of accomplishment from that will outshine anything an online game has to offer you.
Linksys
Well, thanks for being respectful of my views(sarcasm) and devoting an entire off-topic paragraph to impersonating Dr. Laura. You really had me figured out huh. You sure told me. I'm gonna go out fishing and think to myself, 'wow, that Rekiara guy really put me in my place. I'm a much better person now.'
Anyways as I was saying, a lot of us want a definite record of our accomplishments in Guild Wars. I consider Guild Wars to be more than just a video game when looking at the social aspect, the role playing, and the simulated if simplified aspect of a community. Hopefully it won't all be deleted one day. And I hope there will still be an enjoyment and motivation to continue having fun(which I have always had as a goal as well and have never denied or stated the OPPOSITE) and seeking goals in a game that keeps rewarding no matter how far you go.
Anyways as I was saying, a lot of us want a definite record of our accomplishments in Guild Wars. I consider Guild Wars to be more than just a video game when looking at the social aspect, the role playing, and the simulated if simplified aspect of a community. Hopefully it won't all be deleted one day. And I hope there will still be an enjoyment and motivation to continue having fun(which I have always had as a goal as well and have never denied or stated the OPPOSITE) and seeking goals in a game that keeps rewarding no matter how far you go.
Aera Lure
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But my question is: Did they do it too soon?
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You see, my MMORPG chronology is as follows:
Phantasy Star Online, Final Fantasy XI, Everquest, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars. |