ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50? I was selling a furious elem. sword of fort.+30hp
15^50(req9)gold furious =10% and every player who looked at it said its not
perfect it has to be ap 20/20 to be perfect. what happened to all maxed stats =perfect
Perfect Swords?
whitedragon
Why is it that most if not all the players think that perfect swords has to be
ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50? I was selling a furious elem. sword of fort.+30hp
15^50(req9)gold furious =10% and every player who looked at it said its not
perfect it has to be ap 20/20 to be perfect. what happened to all maxed stats =perfect
ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50? I was selling a furious elem. sword of fort.+30hp
15^50(req9)gold furious =10% and every player who looked at it said its not
perfect it has to be ap 20/20 to be perfect. what happened to all maxed stats =perfect
Nightmares Hammer
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Originally Posted by whitedragon
Why is it that most if not all the players think that perfect swords has to be
ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50? I was selling a furious elem. sword of fort.+30hp 15^50(req9)gold furious =10% and every player who looked at it said its not perfect it has to be ap 20/20 to be perfect. what happened to all maxed stats =perfect |
Vampiric > Sundering.
garethporlest18
Because they don't know any better. Furious>Vampiric>Sundering.
Marty Silverblade
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Originally Posted by Nightmares Hammer
Sundering is'nt good...
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EDIT: @ above poster: Furious is meh, practically useless on swords.
maraxusofk
Since most ppl in pvp pack a +10 vs slashing dmg mod on their shields, (icy, ebon) > furious > sundering. many ppl pack vs fire mods against rodgarts, so........
-Loki-
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Originally Posted by garethporlest18
Because they don't know any better. Furious>Vampiric>Sundering.
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Nightmares Hammer
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Originally Posted by -Loki-
Furious is garbage. You don't know any better.
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Although, in PvE anything and everything works, so it doesn't really matter. :P
In PvP however, you have to switch weapons depending on your enemies weakness.
Buddhaofwar
elemental dmg ftw. really only have to switch out vs rangers. (yes, I am bad at pvp, why do you ask? =P )
Dark Kal
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Because they don't know any better. Furious>Vampiric>Sundering.
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Since sundering doesn't give you -1 HP regen. Just saying Vamperic is better because it does more DPS than sundering is stupid.
Sundering>Furious
Since the +10% chance of double adrenaline is hardly noticeable and a warrior has many non-adrenaline skills, so it depends on your build as well.
Sundering>Furious>Vamperic
Longasc
LOL, another sundering/furious/vampiric debate.
Weapon Mods hardly matter. But we can make a big fuss about it all the time, hehe.
I wish GW-PvE would throw much more different mobs with various strengths and weaknesses at us. The Ice Golems e.g. take extra damage from fire, so a fiery weapon works well. Warriors are more vulnerable to elemental weapons, due to their inherent +20 vs physical bonus, while rangers have +30 vs elemental.
Mark of Rodgort needs fire damage to trigger, Mark of Pain physical damage, and Spinal Shivers cold damage... and so on.
I personally hate it when people sell their stuff fully modded to raise the price (which unfortunately works), I prefer the blank weapon to mod it myself to suit my needs. I do not need 10+ identical sundering swords, I have 4 elemental weapons, a vampiric, a sundering, a furious, a zealous and so on with me. I store either axes or swords in the 2nd storage tab and take only those I need for the mission with me, same for shields with +10 vs X mods.
Furious lost some appeal now that FGJ and FA and many other skills provide double adrenaline/adrenaline boosts. Furious was hugely popular among Paragons for a while, but if you run around with FGJ+FA, you need everything else, but for sure not a Furious spearhead.
But who uses swords for Dragonslash and SY anyways - real men use zealous axes and give a damn about defense.
Weapon Mods hardly matter. But we can make a big fuss about it all the time, hehe.
I wish GW-PvE would throw much more different mobs with various strengths and weaknesses at us. The Ice Golems e.g. take extra damage from fire, so a fiery weapon works well. Warriors are more vulnerable to elemental weapons, due to their inherent +20 vs physical bonus, while rangers have +30 vs elemental.
Mark of Rodgort needs fire damage to trigger, Mark of Pain physical damage, and Spinal Shivers cold damage... and so on.
I personally hate it when people sell their stuff fully modded to raise the price (which unfortunately works), I prefer the blank weapon to mod it myself to suit my needs. I do not need 10+ identical sundering swords, I have 4 elemental weapons, a vampiric, a sundering, a furious, a zealous and so on with me. I store either axes or swords in the 2nd storage tab and take only those I need for the mission with me, same for shields with +10 vs X mods.
Furious lost some appeal now that FGJ and FA and many other skills provide double adrenaline/adrenaline boosts. Furious was hugely popular among Paragons for a while, but if you run around with FGJ+FA, you need everything else, but for sure not a Furious spearhead.
But who uses swords for Dragonslash and SY anyways - real men use zealous axes and give a damn about defense.
N1ghtstalker
depends on what you play
if the players don't like it that your sword is with a furious mod so what
they can just buy the sword and put the sundering on themselves
what's the big deal anyway?
a perfect weapon is a q9 max damage weapon with perfect mods/inscriptions on it
if the players don't like it that your sword is with a furious mod so what
they can just buy the sword and put the sundering on themselves
what's the big deal anyway?
a perfect weapon is a q9 max damage weapon with perfect mods/inscriptions on it
masta_yoda
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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker
depends on what you play
if the players don't like it that your sword is with a furious mod so what they can just buy the sword and put the sundering on themselves what's the big deal anyway? a perfect weapon is a q9 max damage weapon with perfect mods/inscriptions on it |
N1ghtstalker
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Originally Posted by masta_yoda
no... perfect can b any req just perfect inherent dmg modifier and for shields its maxed on both mods and mx dmg/armor
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the q9 is just something for luxury
you're absolutely right
if it's max damage with perfect mods the weapon is perfect
you'll still do an equal amount of damage with a Q9 Ele sword 15^50 20/20 +30hp and a Q13 ele sword 15^50 20/20 +30 when you have like 16 in Swordsmanship
Lord Sojar
Vampiric = Furious
It depends on situation. Use furious for building on a 60AL or 70AL (dervish or ranger), use vampiric on spike. Use sundering, ummm.... never?
Use elemental (mainly ebon) on warriors and Paragons (well paras dont matter really) Since warriors have 100AL vs physical, you use an elemental weapon against them. However, since rangers have 100AL vs elemental dmg, you use furious to build, and then spike them with vamp.
This argument is SOOO old.
Sundering... sucks. The ONLY character that it is remotely useful to use against is a monster in HM in PvE, because 20% of 200AL is -40AL. That is a decent chunk.
It depends on situation. Use furious for building on a 60AL or 70AL (dervish or ranger), use vampiric on spike. Use sundering, ummm.... never?
Use elemental (mainly ebon) on warriors and Paragons (well paras dont matter really) Since warriors have 100AL vs physical, you use an elemental weapon against them. However, since rangers have 100AL vs elemental dmg, you use furious to build, and then spike them with vamp.
This argument is SOOO old.
Sundering... sucks. The ONLY character that it is remotely useful to use against is a monster in HM in PvE, because 20% of 200AL is -40AL. That is a decent chunk.
Pleikki
Yeah i allways tell that even 15^ench 1/-1 and +7arm vs psys Is perfect.. 
makosi
I'm a big fan of zealous mods on swords. It makes it easy to use Frenzy as much as I want.
Pesi
thats correct, all maxed mods are perfect, people still dont know that 20/20 is only worth having on hammers, bows, schytes etc. Not on swords and axes cos it makes such a small diffrence so more worth more adrenal, or vamp.
Bryant Again
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Right, because one doubling of adrenaline every 13 seconds makes a huge difference *rolles eyes*.
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To answer the OP: The term "perfect" used in Guild Wars does not, in the slightest, mean that it's actually "perfect." It just means that it has the most popular stats, but funnily enough those stats aren't usually the most effective.
MagmaRed
Sundering, 15^50, and +30 is 'perfect', and the best option because of this:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Warrior...uick_reference
Look over the list, you will find 5 Axes, 8 Hammers, and 5 Swords with those stats. Everyone knows Green weapons are the best. Now, look at the ones that have 20/20 and +30, but modify the 15^50. Quite a few with 15/-5, 15^enchant, 15^stance, etc. Sundering + Fortitude is special.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Warrior...uick_reference
Look over the list, you will find 5 Axes, 8 Hammers, and 5 Swords with those stats. Everyone knows Green weapons are the best. Now, look at the ones that have 20/20 and +30, but modify the 15^50. Quite a few with 15/-5, 15^enchant, 15^stance, etc. Sundering + Fortitude is special.
Mr_Unlucky
Me like zealous and furious, me no like vamp cause the degen is annoyining to which and +3 per sving is poor dmg. sundering is the no brainer from them all. thats the mod you dont have to think. it just is there for the imagined extra dmg.
it goes like this:
zealous=intelligent mans choice
sundering=stupid mans choice
it goes like this:
zealous=intelligent mans choice
sundering=stupid mans choice
Taurucis
I like the elemental mods the most. I never really liked Sundering OR vampiric, sundering doesn't have a noticeable effect and I don't like the health degen on vampiric. I have a Crippling sword for when I'm running a particular build, Icy for when I run my Conjure Frost warrior, and Furious for everything else.
But we all know Zealous weapons are best. Pack on a Zealous weapon and join me in the Domain of Anguish, my fellow Ursans.
But we all know Zealous weapons are best. Pack on a Zealous weapon and join me in the Domain of Anguish, my fellow Ursans.
Taki
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Sundering, 15^50, and +30 is 'perfect', and the best option because of this:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Warrior...uick_reference Look over the list, you will find 5 Axes, 8 Hammers, and 5 Swords with those stats. Everyone knows Green weapons are the best. Now, look at the ones that have 20/20 and +30, but modify the 15^50. Quite a few with 15/-5, 15^enchant, 15^stance, etc. Sundering + Fortitude is special. |
take_me
Just happend to me.... I was selling a req10 Elemental Sword for 15k, showed it to a guy and our conversation was something like this:
he said: "but it's not perfect"
me: "then buy the mods you want"
him: "i don't have 15k and it will take months to sell that sword"
me: "then I'll just put it on my monk with a +5 and +20%, I'm in no hurry"
him: "but it has req. swordmanship, it's for warrior"
..........
he said: "but it's not perfect"
me: "then buy the mods you want"
him: "i don't have 15k and it will take months to sell that sword"
me: "then I'll just put it on my monk with a +5 and +20%, I'm in no hurry"
him: "but it has req. swordmanship, it's for warrior"
..........
Zaris
perfect only means all mods are maxed
makosi
I realise I have a problem with pet-peeves but does it annoy anybody else when people say '15^enchanted', '15^stance,' and so on? I'm guessing that the '^' symbol is used to simplify the word 'above' (since it resembles an upwards arrow). Damage +15% (While Health is above 50%) = 15^50.
Could just be me though.
/endofftopicponder.
The word 'perfect' brings me back to my days of Philosophy studies. It was defined by many Philosophers as a state of unflawed existence whereby it could not be improved because it has intrinsically maximum properties. That means that req.8 15^50 swords are not perfect because req.7 15^50 swords exist.
Could just be me though.
/endofftopicponder.
The word 'perfect' brings me back to my days of Philosophy studies. It was defined by many Philosophers as a state of unflawed existence whereby it could not be improved because it has intrinsically maximum properties. That means that req.8 15^50 swords are not perfect because req.7 15^50 swords exist.
Kusandaa
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Just happend to me.... I was selling a req10 Elemental Sword for 15k, showed it to a guy and our conversation was something like this:
he said: "but it's not perfect" me: "then buy the mods you want" him: "i don't have 15k and it will take months to sell that sword" me: "then I'll just put it on my monk with a +5 and +20%, I'm in no hurry" him: "but it has req. swordmanship, it's for warrior" .......... |
And to me, perfect, is about anything that has max mods. But your average player makes it as the "perfect" weapon is a req9 15^50 20/20 +30hp weapon.
So in general, on my warrior, either I run sword builds (my main attribute, therefore it's the one I have the most points in, I meet reqs) or I run farming builds where my sword req doesn't even matter (W/RT UW solo farmer). For my casters, high-req stuff - less expensive, damage doesn't matter, +5e is the same whether I meet the req or not.
EDIT: No, the "^" doesn't bother me at all - tells right away it's "above" (I want upward arrows! >=( ) and it's faster to type but doesn't look bad really (lyk wen ppl type lyk dis)
Stormlord Alex
Sundering swords are baed. This is fact.
Anyone who says otherwise is clueless.
Oh, and @ anyone complaining at Vamp's -1 health degen... oh noez! 2 health a second is reli guna kill mee!!! Seriously, 'stfu' and 'gtfo' I believe they say on the internets - 1 degen is not gonna do anything to you; and is nothing compared to the superior damage buff allowed by Vampiric.
Anyone who says otherwise is clueless.
Oh, and @ anyone complaining at Vamp's -1 health degen... oh noez! 2 health a second is reli guna kill mee!!! Seriously, 'stfu' and 'gtfo' I believe they say on the internets - 1 degen is not gonna do anything to you; and is nothing compared to the superior damage buff allowed by Vampiric.
I Angra I
Regardless of how good sundering is, I think it's just in this cycle of.. sundering is the most expensive mod, therefore that's why it's called "perfect" when it's on a weapon. And the reason why it stays expensive is because it's the "perfect" mod, etc.. in an endless cycle. :<
Big_Daddy
OMG, way to get away from the OP's point.
On topic. Yes, I think people are stupid if they think that 20/20 is the ONLY mod needed on a sword to make it perfect. To me a weapon is perfect if all the stats are maxed... but I always rather buy/get a clean weapon (max dmg, of course) and then pimp it out!
On topic. Yes, I think people are stupid if they think that 20/20 is the ONLY mod needed on a sword to make it perfect. To me a weapon is perfect if all the stats are maxed... but I always rather buy/get a clean weapon (max dmg, of course) and then pimp it out!
Blackest Rose
For all the ursans out there - there simply is only one mod - it's zealous to make ursan last as long as possible.
used properly it can make a single ursan cast last indefinitely.
Other than that I like vampiric, then sundering.
For me I have all 4 types in my quick weapon bar.
used properly it can make a single ursan cast last indefinitely.
Other than that I like vampiric, then sundering.
For me I have all 4 types in my quick weapon bar.
HawkofStorms
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For all the ursans out there - there simply is only one mod - it's zealous to make ursan last as long as possible.
used properly it can make a single ursan cast last indefinitely. Other than that I like vampiric, then sundering. For me I have all 4 types in my quick weapon bar. |
Master Knightfall
Fire and Cold are the best mods for me when I run W/E and W/N warrior. Conjure Flame and Mark of Rodgort cannot be matched by vampiric or sundering in my book in dps. All can be blocked and even hexes removed and chant removed, but, in PVE that doesn't happen very often anyways.
In PVP the fun is playing a W/N and using Shivers and/or that other cold interupting necro curses hex. Nothing more fun than interupting a touch ranger over n over n over again or any spell caster for that matter as well. Oh an a good elite to use when using Shivers is Warriors Endurance as it returns 3 energy back on each hit thus I can keep the pressure up on interupting a long time. I've been accused of hacking cause I interupted this one touch ranger so many times in a row lol lmao.
In 1 v 1 matchups vs another warrior with 20/20 sundering or vampiric and using the same skills I have come out on top every single time. Thus tests have proven the Fire and Cold rule when it comes to best mod for any melee weapon when running ?/E or ?/N And a ranger with mark of rodgort and their constant poison or bleeding skill combined is a monster to go up against when they use a fire bow.
In PVP the fun is playing a W/N and using Shivers and/or that other cold interupting necro curses hex. Nothing more fun than interupting a touch ranger over n over n over again or any spell caster for that matter as well. Oh an a good elite to use when using Shivers is Warriors Endurance as it returns 3 energy back on each hit thus I can keep the pressure up on interupting a long time. I've been accused of hacking cause I interupted this one touch ranger so many times in a row lol lmao.
In 1 v 1 matchups vs another warrior with 20/20 sundering or vampiric and using the same skills I have come out on top every single time. Thus tests have proven the Fire and Cold rule when it comes to best mod for any melee weapon when running ?/E or ?/N And a ranger with mark of rodgort and their constant poison or bleeding skill combined is a monster to go up against when they use a fire bow.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by whitedragon
Why is it that most if not all the players think that perfect swords has to be
ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50? |
Siirius Black
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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
Fire and Cold are the best mods for me when I run W/E and W/N warrior. Conjure Flame and Mark of Rodgort cannot be matched by vampiric or sundering in my book in dps. All can be blocked and even hexes removed and chant removed, but, in PVE that doesn't happen very often anyways.
In PVP the fun is playing a W/N and using Shivers and/or that other cold interupting necro curses hex. Nothing more fun than interupting a touch ranger over n over n over again or any spell caster for that matter as well. Oh an a good elite to use when using Shivers is Warriors Endurance as it returns 3 energy back on each hit thus I can keep the pressure up on interupting a long time. I've been accused of hacking cause I interupted this one touch ranger so many times in a row lol lmao. In 1 v 1 matchups vs another warrior with 20/20 sundering or vampiric and using the same skills I have come out on top every single time. Thus tests have proven the Fire and Cold rule when it comes to best mod for any melee weapon when running ?/E or ?/N And a ranger with mark of rodgort and their constant poison or bleeding skill combined is a monster to go up against when they use a fire bow. |
Stolen Souls
Ele>Furious>Vamp>Zealous>Sundering >_>
Wit teh vamp i just use teh +1 mending 2 counter it. =]
But yeah it's dumb how "perfect" is defined as 15^50/2020/+30.
It also annoys me how people refer to "Requirement" as "Q". But that is for another thread.
Wit teh vamp i just use teh +1 mending 2 counter it. =]
But yeah it's dumb how "perfect" is defined as 15^50/2020/+30.
It also annoys me how people refer to "Requirement" as "Q". But that is for another thread.
R.Shayne
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Why is it that most if not all the players think that perfect swords has to be
ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50? I was selling a furious elem. sword of fort.+30hp 15^50(req9)gold furious =10% and every player who looked at it said its not perfect it has to be ap 20/20 to be perfect. what happened to all maxed stats =perfect |
I think most experience players will agree a 20/20 mod on a sword is a waste due to damage and critical, but during auctions most in-experience players prefer the 20/20 on everything. If you have a 20/20 sword mod put it on it, kill two birds with one stone thing:
1. Get rid of the 20/20 mod.
2. Will probably double the price of the auction.
**Off-topic**
Myself, I have a preference for vampiric, zealous, Fiery, Icy, and furious. Just remember when you're blinded and holding a vampiric sword *** dare I say it *** SWITCH SWORDS!!!
Why do people get so attached to one sword that to even think of switching is like a deadly sin?
When running a sword build I take these:
Furious Greater Highlander blade of Fortitude
Zealous Fellblade of Fortitude
Icy Dragon Sword of Fortitude
Fiery Dragon Sword of Fortitude
Vampiric Flamberge of Fortitude
Yeah, I know I have a thing for +30hp.
Selket
The only thing I run furious on is the spear for my warrior cuz a free shot at 2x adrenaline from enraging/or throwing spears is never a bad thing.
Taurucis
Why is the term "scrub" so wildly popular? It's like everywhere I go "you scrub" "stupid pve scrub" "you're a scrub" "he's a scrub" "she's a scrub" What is this, the bathtub? Is it bathtime?
The weapon prefix of choice should be determined by the user. There is no reason to force someone to use the item that you want. While some people don't mind switching weapons, there are some that do mind. We play how we want.
The weapon prefix of choice should be determined by the user. There is no reason to force someone to use the item that you want. While some people don't mind switching weapons, there are some that do mind. We play how we want.
HawkofStorms
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scrub
Scrub, comes from the noun definition.
scrub 1 verb to rub hard in order to clean
scrub 2 noun
1) A straggly, stunted tree or shrub.
2) A growth or tract of stunted vegetation.
3) An undersized or poorly developed domestic animal.
4) An undersized or insignificant person.
5) Sports A player not on the varsity or first team.
6) Australian Remote rural land; the bush.
A scrub player is literally a "small" player, like a small bush compared to a tree.
Scrub, comes from the noun definition.
scrub 1 verb to rub hard in order to clean
scrub 2 noun
1) A straggly, stunted tree or shrub.
2) A growth or tract of stunted vegetation.
3) An undersized or poorly developed domestic animal.
4) An undersized or insignificant person.
5) Sports A player not on the varsity or first team.
6) Australian Remote rural land; the bush.
A scrub player is literally a "small" player, like a small bush compared to a tree.
whitedragon
ahh.. the long lost debate on mods lol
To me mods are about what helps your build if it works use it, if it dont change it.
I have used mending to offset the vamp why = it works.Furious i like for it
it works in my build, sundering not so much of a noticable damage increase.
fire ,ebon,cold and the like i dont use much unless im going after a spicific
monsters
To me mods are about what helps your build if it works use it, if it dont change it.
I have used mending to offset the vamp why = it works.Furious i like for it
it works in my build, sundering not so much of a noticable damage increase.
fire ,ebon,cold and the like i dont use much unless im going after a spicific
monsters