build help.

Elites I use that arent NF:

WoH
Blessed Light
Restore Condition

WoH has been shown above,

Blessed Light is good in relatively hex heavy areas, because it has decent heal, & good bonus as well as being in DF which boosts all your other skills.

I run:
[skill]Blessed Light[/skill][skill]Reversal Of Fortune[/skill][skill]Gift Of Health[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Mend Condition[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Glyph Of Lesser Energy[/skill]

RC bar is basically the same but for condition heavy areas, slightly changed attributes and pop off [skill]Mend Condition[/skill] for either [skill]Holy Veil[/skill] [skill]Remove Hex[/skill] or [skill]Convert Hexes[/skill]. Only use convert if you find yourself with lotsa spare energy.

For PVe WoH is best generally, but because you should know whats coming, the others can be a better option. For PVP I like Blessed Light because its overall more variably to the situations. (In PVP swap [skill]Mend Condition[/skill] with [skill]Mend Ailment[/skill])

Re: Luminarus:

Blight isn't worth taking for a number of reasons. It can't actually serve as a primary heal, hex removal, or condition removal, and therefore fails to provide any bar compression because you will still have to take other heals, other condition removal, and other hex removal. In other words, it is a strictly inferior option unless two out of its three 'conditions' are met, and even then its primary benefit isn't saving you energy (because it definitely isn't), but rather time (both cast time and recharge). Against the right kinds of teams it's quite strong (if we consider that neither Divert or Cure Hex are available to the OP), but overall it depends on conditions largely outside of your control.

Overall, I think you will get more mileage out of WoH than Blight. Swap in Dwayna's Kiss (which should heal for massive amounts under hex pressure) for Gift, and drop Guardian for Remove Hex.

Actually, the OP says no Nightfall skills, but what about EoTN skills? Cure Hex is very strong hex removal for PvE, and is a strong argument for not bringing Blight.

From what I can see, the only major deficiency in not having Nightfall access is the loss of Shield of Absorption, which is ridiculously strong for a non-elite skill. There isn't really anything that can replace it in its PvE context, so slotting in emgt or Guardian is probably your best bet.

Just because people forgot to mention:

[skill]restore condition[/skill] always good when used in tandem with a [skill]word of healing[/skill] monk

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WoH
Signet of Rejuv
Remove Hex
Mend Condition
Protective Spirit
Spirit Bond or Aegis
GoLE
Rebirth/res chant

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Tommy's silly. He runs Dual LoD monks.

Don't run what Tommy runs.

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You'd want to run BLight over WoH in PvE if your team is blowing everything up, you're not taking much damage, and you just want it to clean people like crazy or spike heal is bursts. That's why it was run in GvG in the old meta (it isn't good anymore), and why you'd run it in certain PvE builds.

Tommy has also used Distracting Shot, and Gale before. And that's just in the past month or so from what I've seen.

If you don't have Nightfall, WoH or Blight. Not having Divert Hexes kinda sucks as it outclasses Blight in every aspect of PvE but it's decent enough with no other options.

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I played Blight in the old meta; I didn't use the skill that often, because again, if the target doesn't need at least two of the three functions, there's no point in using it. The low recharge means you can use it as a hex removal/spike heal if your primary skill (gift/veil) is recharging, but the energy cost for this convenience is pretty steep.

GvG bars are optimized for GvG; by definition, this means they are not optimized for PvE. The fact that you don't see Infuse or Veil in PvE is instructive - clearly, the conditions of play are different. Your opponents are different, your team builds can (and tend to be) different, and the 'meta' is different. If I know that a particular area has heavy caster presence, I'm not going to run SoD, even if the GvG meta is blockway. If I know an area is mostly hex pressure, I'm going to run Divert, even if I'm running WoH in GvG. Similarly, my build is going to change if the team is a tanknspank, imbagon, ursan, etc.

In short, PvE and GvG are different enough that you can't pull a bar from GvG and say, "this is good for PvE" without examining what GvG-specific assumptions were made in building that bar. The fact that there is a lot of skill overlap is merely evidence that the number of good monk skills is limited no matter the context. Skills like RoF and Prot Spirit are a tier above everything else - the fact that you see them in nearly every monk bar, whether PvP or PvE, says more about how good those particular skills are than about how applicable GvG is to PvE.

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