Alright, I'm ready for bashings on this idea, but I felt it should be brought up in hope to institute a better use of the Blood Magic attribute other than "Blood spikes."
Okay, so say my health and my opponents health is 600hp. I use my blood skill that steals up to 60 health. He loses health but I gain nothing (it's registered by my health is full so it's as if I didn't gain anything). Now, here is my idea for the functionality of stealing health: you only gain up to what you are missing in health. Example: I have 600hp and he has 600hp. I use my blood magic spell, but nothing is stolen. But say I have 550hp and my spell says I can steal up to 70hp. I can only steal up to 50hp because that's the peak where my health maxes out. Now, I have 500hp and I use the same skill. Now my health is back up to 570hp.
Now I know this seems like it makes the Blood line more useless, but.. this way I see it it'll now suggest life sacrificing, THEN using your spells to steal health. To balance this out, perhaps make the blood magic spells steal more (not a lot more but a nice amount).
This idea will remove blood spike, insitute a better and smarter way to use blood magic spells, and promote life sacrificing. And you can bring the energy cost of some expensive spells down too to balance it more.
yes? no? I personally think this is a neat idea =)
Issues of the Blood Magic line
Onyx Ftw
jonnieboi05
personslly i'd say it's fine just as it is.
Darkobra
I think it'd butcher it.
Kawil
Naw, don't think it'll work. You'd have to run around with half health all the time. Plus, spikes wouldn't work anymore. Again, you would have to be almost dead to take advantage of a spike.
Onyx Ftw
Hmm, any suggestions to this idea that would make it work (please don't say "remove the idea then" cuz that's not helping). I just wanna see what would cause it to not work.
Make like Vampiric Gaze steal like 80+ so a good combo would be your "Dark Pack" shadow damage attacks that sacrifice your health, then follow it up with a punching Vampiric Gaze that'll steal some nice health because you've sacrificed quite a bit.
10% of 600hp is 60hp sacrificed so it's not difficult to pull of some nasty combos.
Make like Vampiric Gaze steal like 80+ so a good combo would be your "Dark Pack" shadow damage attacks that sacrifice your health, then follow it up with a punching Vampiric Gaze that'll steal some nice health because you've sacrificed quite a bit.
10% of 600hp is 60hp sacrificed so it's not difficult to pull of some nasty combos.
Onyx Ftw
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Naw, don't think it'll work. You'd have to run around with half health all the time. Plus, spikes wouldn't work anymore. Again, you would have to be almost dead to take advantage of a spike.
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RyXXed
Yes, please, buff Necromancers some more, cause WoD, Foul Feast and godlke enchant removal just isn't enough!
Onyx Ftw
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Yes, please, buff Necromancers some more, cause WoD, Foul Feast and godlke enchant removal just isn't enough!
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This change allows Necros be SMARTER. It removes blood spike.. something that's so noobish I could spit. Not to mention this could allow necros to be a more viable midline character that's something other than hexes >.>
MithranArkanere
You are describing the conditioned effect of Grenth's Balance.
Conditions are better to remove spikes.
Conditions are better to remove spikes.
Boogz
so , you're killing bloodspike , and also killing the whole blood magic line , nice.
/notsigned
/notsigned
Kanyatta
I like all the Pro-Blood-Spike advocates here.
Yes, it would eliminate blood spiking, which I think most can agree is overpowered and takes no skill; but this would effectively destroy blood magic. It's a good idea, just way too overkill.
Yes, it would eliminate blood spiking, which I think most can agree is overpowered and takes no skill; but this would effectively destroy blood magic. It's a good idea, just way too overkill.
Darkhell153
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I like all the Pro-Blood-Spike advocates here.
Yes, it would eliminate blood spiking, which I think most can agree is overpowered and takes no skill; but this would effectively destroy blood magic. It's a good idea, just way too overkill. |
Omg I actually agree with kanyatta again.
Zahr Dalsk
/removebloodspikes
Konig Des Todes
2 things
1)I don't see a change in what your suggesting for blood magic and what is already there
2)blood magic is fine as it is, want to nerf something? nerf ursan, thats the ONLY skill I see thats unbalanced.
1)I don't see a change in what your suggesting for blood magic and what is already there
2)blood magic is fine as it is, want to nerf something? nerf ursan, thats the ONLY skill I see thats unbalanced.
Darkobra
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I like all the Pro-Blood-Spike advocates here.
Yes, it would eliminate blood spiking, which I think most can agree is overpowered and takes no skill; but this would effectively destroy blood magic. It's a good idea, just way too overkill. |
Carinae
I like this idea a lot. It eliminates Blood spike and opens the door for some powerful life-steals. It's the current lack of strong life-steals that makes Blood useless now.
The idea is great as-is, but here is another variation: If you are at full health, the life-steals simply deal 'damage' (which can be Prot'd)
Mod this up.
The idea is great as-is, but here is another variation: If you are at full health, the life-steals simply deal 'damage' (which can be Prot'd)
Mod this up.
jiggles
/cough signet of agony, chilbains(maybe not, cant think of a self condition inflicting spell atm. far to early)
blood spikers would just simply spam these skills as much as possible before a match
run out with about 200hp and spike, simply self heal as less as possible and keep on spiking
you wouldnt be doing to much apart from killing the whole bloodline
/notsignedever
blood spikers would just simply spam these skills as much as possible before a match
run out with about 200hp and spike, simply self heal as less as possible and keep on spiking
you wouldnt be doing to much apart from killing the whole bloodline
/notsignedever
Onyx Ftw
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/cough signet of agony, chilbains(maybe not, cant think of a self condition inflicting spell atm. far to early)
blood spikers would just simply spam these skills as much as possible before a match run out with about 200hp and spike, simply self heal as less as possible and keep on spiking you wouldnt be doing to much apart from killing the whole bloodline /notsignedever |
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I like this idea a lot. It eliminates Blood spike and opens the door for some powerful life-steals. It's the current lack of strong life-steals that makes Blood useless now.
The idea is great as-is, but here is another variation: If you are at full health, the life-steals simply deal 'damage' (which can be Prot'd) Mod this up. |
The blood line attribute has gotta change for the better. You can see anet's first stepping stones to this with the recent buffs of sacrificing skills (1 energy, etc). I hope the anomaly that is "bloodspike" is removed because it's so noob and completely unavoidable. All other spikes in this game are legit because there's a way to guard against these.
It'll be nice to have blood necros (for once) be a nice midline character that's not hexing >.>
Numa Pompilius
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lol Necros have had more nerfs than buffs... I mean c'mon now, it's PRIMARY attribute was nerfed!! How friggin worse can you go?
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Other than that Necros get buffed almost as often as Mesmers get nerfed. Way more buffs than nerfs.
arcanemacabre
I still like my idea (though I'm sure others have thought of it at some point) of changing the entire mechanic of life steal to be simply: "You deal x damage to foe, and gain x health" where x is the same number. This way the health gain remains the same no matter what, and the damage dealt can be protted.
mystical nessAL
It's fine as it is, but your point is really good. Personally I wouldnt mind changing it the way you suggested, so I'll sign for this. 
/signed
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Artorius.Maximus
So the way I see it, I can use 1 or 2 Blood is Power, and spike away. A team of 8 with 4 blood spike necros doing this would be at about 10 energy regen for casters and would be doing a pretty good spike.
Why do I need a change again?
Why do I need a change again?
Trylo
like people would really run BiP in high end pvp?
"HI! i spike myself to death, please dont target me!"
anyways the change seems interesting especially with the new 1 energy sac skills. personally i would say you could even buff some blood magic spells by a few points if this were to happen. Blood pact would actually see some play :O
"HI! i spike myself to death, please dont target me!"
anyways the change seems interesting especially with the new 1 energy sac skills. personally i would say you could even buff some blood magic spells by a few points if this were to happen. Blood pact would actually see some play :O
Artorius.Maximus
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like people would really run BiP in high end pvp?
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the kurzick eater
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so , you're killing bloodspike , and also killing the whole blood magic line , nice.
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Carinae
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personally i would say you could even buff some blood magic spells by a few points if this were to happen. Blood pact would actually see some play :O
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We'd see the lifesteal skills become useful and versatile, without creating bloodspike problems.
To the people saying this would ruin blood (please) would you articulate why you think that, beyond "we fear change"
NamelessBeauty
Urg, no? Beacause...Grenth balance OWN? MAYBE?
Beside, Blood isn't used sololy for Bspike purpose, it can be used as hex pressure/dmg in hex team as well. Though not as effective as death/curse but it can be used!
BiP is awesome too, blood rit is fine as well!
Well of blood is even better!
Beside, Blood isn't used sololy for Bspike purpose, it can be used as hex pressure/dmg in hex team as well. Though not as effective as death/curse but it can be used!
BiP is awesome too, blood rit is fine as well!
Well of blood is even better!
Onyx Ftw
This would give the blood attribute more of a honorable use than spike. It's not just nerfing the mechanics that I'm proposing, it's also giving other skills that it would affect if not looked into a better look.
And I swear people are coming up with the lamest reasons why this wouldn't work.
"Let's BiP ourselves then spike! LAWL!" Then everyone is wasting an elite slot. Buff more of the saccing skills so it'll make the build more complementary.
And I swear people are coming up with the lamest reasons why this wouldn't work.
"Let's BiP ourselves then spike! LAWL!" Then everyone is wasting an elite slot. Buff more of the saccing skills so it'll make the build more complementary.
SilentVex
The only places necros see play are hex-way, bspike, or a gimmick-way that exploits soul reaping. These changes nerf out bspike, but I don't see them making the class more playable in anything more (even with buffed lifesteal amounts). Really the only effect it'll have is make all the pve necros whine some more. As much as I hate the broken gimmick that is the necromancer, I don't see this as progress in the right direction.