Why are so many hammers so damned small?

Pupu

Pupu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Left gw..yawn

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Quote:
Originally Posted by netniwk
It's big,its animated and no one uses it:
Torm hammer and swamp club are the mains i use ^^ torm is by far the biggest and shiniest of my collection, but i seem to favor the odd plagueborn mual :P.

Hammer by far the best out of the three warrior weapons, its the constant main for my war and it never fails me in pve/pvp, yes its slow but if you get a chain off, gg.

Desman

Desman

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

Finland

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Hammers have good sizes they dont need to be so big that u can crush ettin in one hit

Infectious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

New Zealand FTW

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Hammer warriors will 99% of the time be less effective than sword/axe in PvE.
HOWEVER
Hammer warriors come into there own in PvP, the ability to chain KD someone is amazing.

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Ec]-[oMaN

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Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Ont.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I'd like to comment that in real medieval times, hammers weren't actually that big. Generally the hitting part (I forget the name) would be the size of an adult's fist at most.

Your huge Guild Wars hammers are about as realistic as those retarded Final Fantasy swords.
Smaller the head the harder the impact or indent it would cause, having a bigger head with more surface displaces force, so yeah.

Issac

Issac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earthrealm

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I take down people with 3-4 skills hits with my hammer build lol. A upgrade would be nice still. But mostly some hammers have small head pieces that make them look pretty small, like the victo maybe. I'm sure the vera looks pretty big.

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Infectious
Hammer warriors will 99% of the time be less effective than sword/axe in PvE.
Maybe for you. For me, though, Hammer has been most effective so far, even without any fancy special effects like knockdown. Multiple failures each in Surmia (though, I'll admit that was mainly Leeroy's fault ), Nolani and Borlis Pass when using a sword (Barbed Ascalon Razor - 10-14 and the best I could get at the time), with the Serrated Shield on the side, and the standard Sever Artery/Gash combo. Switched to a hammer (Sundering Rhino's Charge, of course, since I own GotY) and got through Surmia, Nolani and Borlis on the first try. Have to do a second attempt at the Frost Gate since I accidentally pulled too much...

Admittedly, much of that goodness is coming from using a max hammer long before any maxed weapons would naturally come my way, so maybe I'll change my mind once I get a maxed sword and axe...

Nanood

Nanood

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Supermans Crystal Palace

Legion Of The Dark Sun

<3 my Vera

RedNova88

RedNova88

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Behind you!

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I can't stop laughing at all the "hammers r bad" posts... I think that most Hammer elites would argue with them. In PvE they work fine, but in PvE it doesn't flipping matter what weapon you're using as long as you have an appropriate build.

You wanna run a DS spam warrior? Fine, go right ahead, high dps and constant pressure. Or you can run an Eviscerate > Execute axe build that'll work good too. Want to run a build so you can chain Backbreaker or Earthshaker? FINE! Constant knock downs are great! It's PvE it doesn't matter!

Back on topic my Warrior is female and she uses a Destroyer Maul and it sure looks big enough to me on both genders, it's also probably my favorite hammer skin.

placebo overdose

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

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i like the desolation maul and yes hammers are good im not all for most of their skills but a fair amount are good (all war attributes have a large share of crap)

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanood
<3 my Vera
I agree, Vera followed by Torm hammer are my fav.

Btw, I don't think hammers should be too big.. a little realism good. Final fantasy style weapons (wtf @ the swords) fails imo.

Solas

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Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolquest
Am I the only one who noticed how incredibly TINY over half the hammers in ALL the GW campaigns look when in the hands of a male warrior?
They have a problem with doors><
they never think to hold them lengthways

Razz Thom

Razz Thom

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Three Feet Below Sea [LevL]

D/Mo

hammers see slightly less use in PvE because useable swords and axes seem to drop more frequently than halfway decent hammers do. Therefore every wakko crazy gotta kill it now warrior grabs the first decent weapon they find and usually acquire skills to go with it. Thus by the time they find a decent hammer, it is expensive to change. So they don't.

maraxusofk

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Xivor
Arenanet needs to buff hammer's attack speed, give it some AoE like Scythes or SOMETHING to make them worthwhile, first. The last thing that is important with hammers right now is how they look. They just plain suck.

And I have not seen any female hammer warriors in PvE, but that is most likely because I am not stupid enough to let a warrior with a hammer in my party.
ROFL. they have knockdown. thats plenty.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Xivor
Lol. I have 8mil experience on my dervish, with 3k hours in 20 months of game play. I am far from being a noob.
oh man, cuz u know having alot of experience points in pve means alot.

i personally think the majority of hammers are indeed small, but it doesnt mean that there arent any awesome ones. i love the mursaat maul / hammer dyed blood red.

angmar_nite

angmar_nite

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

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No godmode with hammer in PVE.

kooomar

kooomar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miska Bow
Then maybe all the non knock down hammer skill should be remove from the game.

Hammer are more then just KD, just like warriors are much more then just TANK.
The main benefit of hammers IS kd, thats just how they are. Obviously there are more uses, but KD is the main thing, all weapons have a purpose, hammers are no different.

And to the ES/Crude swing flames. Awesome job, I wasn't knocking hammer in PvE, just saying I wouldn't like it unless you have a fun/creative build, which your build is obviously not creative, but if you enjoy hitting the same 3 keys to kd a mob, then have fun!

Hugh Manatee

Hugh Manatee

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

Nice But Deadly[nice]

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Back on topic.... I kinda agree with the OP, when you look at some of the common hammer skins(The Iron Hammer, the Igneous Maul, The Bronze and Copper Crushers, The war hammers, the foehammers the BMP mauls ect) and then compare it to something like the gavel of the nephilim or Zodiac or the new greater glyphic maul... they seem kinda puny by comparison... And it just doesn't look like the warrior holds the gavel right...

N1ghtstalker

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Add Yeti smash. Crushing blow.

Really, as far as owning stuff and being usefull in PvE goes, hammers are so good that i use Goren when vanquishing. (shame his WY! had to go...)
don't forget [skill]mokele smash[/skill]

Shakti

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

Disagree. My fave is my mursaat (actually got as a drop for my hammer girl, was great ) Vera is also large and great (tetsubo skin) If you want big try a ruby maul (Goren + ruby maul = great lol) Twin war hammer also nice. Ice breaker is large, as are desolation mauls. If you like wicked and pointy, try a collosal pick.

For the record, my hammer war is female and kicks bootie.

happygamerlife

happygamerlife

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Join Date: Dec 2006

nuttin

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are you kidding me?

the only hammer skin you should get is..

GOLDEN MAUL..

nice size, nice skin too..

Arutima

Arutima

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Canada

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my female warrior usually use an Igneous Maul , twin hammer and the classic victo's maul, when pvping

Chicken of the Seas

Chicken of the Seas

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Join Date: Apr 2006

California, USA

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I think the hammers look good (size wise) but as for swords...it bugs me how alot of them look paper thin...

absolutcrobi

absolutcrobi

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolquest
Lets be honest here, have you EVER seen a real player female with a hammer? I've never in my 200 hours of GW play seen a female warr using a hammer, Devona is the only female I've seen use a hammer...
My warrior Charsi Black Smith and her Pig Anvil beg to differ.

Yeas some of the hammers are incredibly tiny. Like the Greater Glyphic Maul it looks like a damn claw hammer on a stick. If its that small it should atleast swing faster. Now my copper crusher is a decent size but most of of them are way undersized.

Now my female ele uses an Undead Maul sometimes for fun. That thing is just the right size.

FeroxC

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

EOA

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Every mans favourite hero, Jora has kindly agreed to model some of her collection for us.

Pirana Hammer


Copper Hammer


Mursaat Hammer


Greater Glyphic Maul


Desolation Maul


Celestria Hammer


Norn Maul


Candy cane hammer


Club of a thousand bears

Thorondor Port

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

British Columbia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Xivor
Arenanet needs to buff hammer's attack speed, give it some AoE like Scythes or SOMETHING to make them worthwhile, first. The last thing that is important with hammers right now is how they look. They just plain suck.

I watched a GvG last night and both guilds had 2 warriors with hammers.
You win my brand new award for having no clue what youre talking about. Goodmatch.

edit: the guilds were ranked 4 and 7.

Aztec Mijo

Aztec Mijo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

[LaZy]

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meh, hammers really dont need to be that big if u think about it

i think their sizes are fine, if i want a big hammer ill get an undead maul, mursaat hammer or tetsubo.

dwarven battle stance + dwarven stability

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

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Every Hammer should be this big;



That'd be cool...

thor hammerbane

thor hammerbane

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Side of the Moon

Fat Kids Are Hard To Kid[nap]

Take my quiz.

Do you think Hammers Suck?
1) Yes
2) No

If you chose 1, You are a scrub, and a nub.

Hammer>Axe>Sword

Pretty basic stuff.

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

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Hammers are great. The only downer with them are the lack of skills early on in Prophecies (the only campaign I have so far) and how ridiculous the animal headed ones look - not that that'll stop me from using my Sundering Rhino's Charge 'til I find another maxed hammer with just about any other skin and a vaguely decent haft (Sundering at 20% is nice) for it. :P

EinherjarMx

EinherjarMx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Mexico

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Quote:
Originally Posted by FeroxC
Every mans favourite hero, Jora has kindly agreed to model some of her collection for us.

Pirana Hammer


Copper Hammer


Mursaat Hammer


Greater Glyphic Maul


Desolation Maul


Celestria Hammer


Norn Maul


Candy cane hammer


Club of a thousand bears
oh, come on!

even a break hammer looks big on jora

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Hi.

You should Wiki: Earthshaker. It's sufficiently excellent for PvE and PvP.

Remember kids:

There is an excellent chance you are still a noob despite these:

Level20
Vanity weapons/Armor
Millions of Exp
"Kind of a Big Deal" title
Lots of plat in storage





lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Hammers only suck if you enjoy wailing on stuff and get annoyed with having to switch targets so much cause it dies so fast. ^_^

DarkWasp

DarkWasp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Paradise

Agency Of Forbidden Fruits [Oot]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken of the Seas
I think the hammers look good (size wise).
Yeah, you can't really make a hammer any bigger. They may pull it off in Animes and stuff but, GW has a good realistic size.

Go buy a bowling ball and drop it on your foot, should be around the same weight.

FeroxC

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

EOA

P/W

Although its small I think the Greater Glyphic maul suits Jora the best, what do you think ?

Abonai Laguna

Abonai Laguna

Wilds Pathfinder

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Company Of Corpses [CoC]

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Hammers suck imo, but some look good. I like the skin that Vera uses. I prefer swords/axes myself, but on my heroes i usually use m

Rushin Roulette

Rushin Roulette

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Right here

Ende

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkWasp
Yeah, you can't really make a hammer any bigger. They may pull it off in Animes and stuff but, GW has a good realistic size.

Go buy a bowling ball and drop it on your foot, should be around the same weight.
Quoted for pure truth...

And to add to that... after dropping it on your foot, stick it onto a long pole and hold it at 45° for hours on end while running around town scremaing "Save yourselves!!!" and "For great Justice!!!" (no need to swing it, as you wont manage to hold it anyways).

I have a few hammers ranging from tiny (clockmakers hammer) to a big 5KG one for taking down walls. Not even the big one looks remotely the size of the medium sized ones, and thats already difficult to swing multiple times without breking into a sweat.

Surena

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Hi.

You should Wiki: Earthshaker. It's sufficiently excellent for PvE and PvP.

Remember kids:

There is an excellent chance you are still a noob despite these:

Level20
Vanity weapons/Armor
Millions of Exp
"Kind of a Big Deal" title
Lots of plat in storage
What? Excellent chance? Damn right. I pugged a lot recently and there is a terrifying amount of pretty bad players (read: DOUBLE BONDING) with ultra-highend gear and loads of titles.

Gwmaster

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada/Quebec

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the only hammer that i really think looks like crap is the Gavel of Nephilim...i mean when my female warrior used to have one, her hand was on the head because the grip was too small.

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolquest
Lets be honest here, have you EVER seen a real player female with a hammer? I've never in my 200 hours of GW play seen a female warr using a hammer, Devona is the only female I've seen use a hammer...
yes I do I see them every day, as well as playing a female war in pvp.

well duh you have only been playing for 200 hours, you only have 200 hours under your belt that is very very low and understandable why you have not seen them.

Cebe

Cebe

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolquest
Lets be honest here, have you EVER seen a real player female with a hammer? I've never in my 200 hours of GW play seen a female warr using a hammer, Devona is the only female I've seen use a hammer...
I play a Female Warrior and my favourite weapon on her is a Hammer.

REAL women use hammers.

Anyhoo, I fully agree with the OP. Some hammers are rediculously small...and when the guy who designed the Gaven of the Nephilm saw how small they made it, surely he must have been gutted.

There are a few hammer skins which I consider "decently large":
  • Undead Maul
  • Igneous Maul
  • Twin Hammer
  • Mursaat Hammer & Mursaat Maul
  • Summit Hammer
Undead is my favourite by a long way...but more of them could do with...just...being scaled up a bit, make them look more like a weapon to drive terror into people rather than a cotton bud.

Celebrian

Celebrian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Stop Stealing [agro]

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its not the size, its how you use it...

but lets face it most warriors in this game only have obsidian flesh capped

and back on topic... mursaat hammer = win :P as well as those BMP hammers, theyre HUGE!