Yes, I know that Tombs has been H/H'd before using bonder hero, but I always felt that was cheesy, so I wanted to do it the right way: straight up.
I assembled a team with a hybrid monk, a flashbot ele, a curse necro and I myself a warrior with You Move Like A Dwarf as most important spell. Zaishen healers, a zaishen mage and a zaishen archer. Tactic: I scout ahead and attract aggro, the H/H's kill them. If anything needs to be interrupted I interrupt.
It worked well. I pretty quickly got to Halls, and...
A little pulling and tanking later:
And to the victor, the plentiful spoils:
Yay. All that and I got a white non-max raven staff.
Well, it's done; I doubt I'll do it again any time soon.
Tombs H/H'd
Numa Pompilius
jonnieboi05
grats on the raven staff?
Numa Pompilius
Yeah, I'm really stoked about it.
Buddhaofwar
omg, like,what mods are you gonna put on it?
and did you at least get an ecto?
and did you at least get an ecto?
Miska Bow
Dont want to rub it in but, my fist time completing it, the 2 end boss dropped me 1 green each.
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[Morkai]
Nice one. Grats on the Balanced run at it. Real good job
I suggest you beat your heroes until they give you the drops they stole
I suggest you beat your heroes until they give you the drops they stole
Richardt
How many ectos for that raven staff? Cause that is like seriously sweet 
Anywhoo.....grats on completing.
Anywhoo.....grats on completing.
bolomax
At least it was fun
All the greens for heroes
All the greens for heroes
masta_yoda
how long exactly did it take you, might try if below 2 hours
Numa Pompilius
Two hours sounds about right. It's hard to tell because I went AFK for dinner and to watch TV and then resumed.
The only real problem is avoiding having the Grasps kill your squishies. I scouted ahead and drew aggro/triggered popups, then retreated so my H/H's were just outside my aggro bubble. They'd then run in and heal me and attack the mobs, without getting attacked themselves. Also when I saw a grasp trying to get past I'd cripple it with YMLaD!. A couple of times grasps got past me, but the flashbot ele took care of them.
Wrt Chaos Wurms I'd park the H/H's in a safe location but as close to the wurm as possible, then run in and trigger the popups, then pull the popups and kill them. Only when there were no more nasty surprises would I run in and kill the wurms.
Target terrorwebs first, at least until you've interrupted or made them waste their meteor shower. H/H's don't have the brains to move out of the AoE and a meteor shower can wipe the team.
Other than that it was just a case of being thorough, pulling, and avoiding surprise popups. The only times I got killed was when I was trying to pull and a Grasp crippled me while I was far from the henches. But that's what the hero with rebirth is for.
Consumables: I used a candy cane when I had been careless while pulling and accumulated 39% dp.
And no, I didn't get any ecto or any other worthwhile drop. A purple shield which I merched for the princely sum of 130 gold was the best drop.
The only real problem is avoiding having the Grasps kill your squishies. I scouted ahead and drew aggro/triggered popups, then retreated so my H/H's were just outside my aggro bubble. They'd then run in and heal me and attack the mobs, without getting attacked themselves. Also when I saw a grasp trying to get past I'd cripple it with YMLaD!. A couple of times grasps got past me, but the flashbot ele took care of them.
Wrt Chaos Wurms I'd park the H/H's in a safe location but as close to the wurm as possible, then run in and trigger the popups, then pull the popups and kill them. Only when there were no more nasty surprises would I run in and kill the wurms.
Target terrorwebs first, at least until you've interrupted or made them waste their meteor shower. H/H's don't have the brains to move out of the AoE and a meteor shower can wipe the team.
Other than that it was just a case of being thorough, pulling, and avoiding surprise popups. The only times I got killed was when I was trying to pull and a Grasp crippled me while I was far from the henches. But that's what the hero with rebirth is for.
Consumables: I used a candy cane when I had been careless while pulling and accumulated 39% dp.
And no, I didn't get any ecto or any other worthwhile drop. A purple shield which I merched for the princely sum of 130 gold was the best drop.
Abedeus
You can also H/H it with 1 minion master (MoM, Olias or Livia), 1 SF and one Splinter Weapon/Barrage or order necro + you as R/Rt splinter (of course rangers use pets - more tanks is better) + monk and ele henches.
Oh, and Minion Master has Barbs and Mark of Pain. Barbs + wurm, MoP + bosses/a lot of mobs.
Oh, and Minion Master has Barbs and Mark of Pain. Barbs + wurm, MoP + bosses/a lot of mobs.
Numa Pompilius
Yeah, I know people are using that, but I couldn't get the R/Rt splinter-barrage-pet build to work. I got as far as the Courtyard with it, but sooner or later grasps would kill or interrupt the MM and then it all went south. Also the minions had a tendency to attract adds.
I think what made the biggest difference was the blindbot; he kept the Grasps from killing the backline.
I think what made the biggest difference was the blindbot; he kept the Grasps from killing the backline.
Abedeus
Because you have to lure mobs on the minions using a flatbow, while rest of your team stands behind and heals you/necro until aggro is set.
But I already cleared Tombs twice with my build. It's just not that good - 2,5 hours for crappy greens...
But I already cleared Tombs twice with my build. It's just not that good - 2,5 hours for crappy greens...
FoxBat
Clearing Tombs with all Henchies and no flags back in the day, now that was an accomplishment.
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
Clearing Tombs with all Henchies and no flags back in the day, now that was an accomplishment.
Oh definitely, massive respect to all those who managed that.
Sakura Az
cleared tombs the first time with my sin and a h/h party, took HB monk, MM bomber, channel/resto rit, 2 ele hench, 1 monk hench ranger hench.. yesh few iffy moments later and an hour and a half i finished it for the first time ever, 10 mins late i was back in there on my ranger with a B/P group.
tox_169
Grats on the accomplishment!
I did it too almost a year ago on my paragon, with 2 b/p heroes and MM, then 2 monks and 2 fire ele henchies. It was JoeKnowMo's team build.
I did it too almost a year ago on my paragon, with 2 b/p heroes and MM, then 2 monks and 2 fire ele henchies. It was JoeKnowMo's team build.
VitisVinifera
One thing I've always wanted to do was do this h&h, but me with some build that could solo the darknesses and get all their drops. Probably echo shadow form sin, but with all the changes to the related skills since I used to 2 man this, I have no idea what the precise build is now.
Anyways, I'd bet the sab minion bomber + n/rt healer would be great there.
Anyways, I'd bet the sab minion bomber + n/rt healer would be great there.
bungusmaximus
Cool, I h/h tombs all the time with a guildmate in HM. The pugs there are really beyond stupid and I like playing there. Actually most of my heroes are equipped with tomb greens, o it served its purpose pretty well. I use an SS/MoP necro, some rangers, a 'stand your ground' para and 2 N/Rt healers.
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus
I h/h tombs all the time with a guildmate in HM.
Everything is easy with six heroes and two humans.
bungusmaximus
I never said it's hard to begin with. Im not bragging here mind you.
Numa Pompilius
All areas of the game are easy with human teams, or human/hero. We all know this, there's no point in belaboring the obvious. I do things with just H/H's because it's fun and more challenging to come up with a build that works even though you're handicapped by sucky henches. And I don't bring certain skills (like ursan) or use certain tactics (like bonder monks) because I think they're cheesy. That's just how I roll.
FWIW I went back and re-did Tombs. Slightly different build; I replaced the hero monk with a hero necro-ritualist healer, and changed out the curse necro for a minion bomber with some curse spells (barbs and enfeebling blood, mainly). Also took both Zaishen mages. It was much easier this second time, I hardly needed to bother to pull and could just power through. Got three greens this time, which, however, sucked.
FWIW I went back and re-did Tombs. Slightly different build; I replaced the hero monk with a hero necro-ritualist healer, and changed out the curse necro for a minion bomber with some curse spells (barbs and enfeebling blood, mainly). Also took both Zaishen mages. It was much easier this second time, I hardly needed to bother to pull and could just power through. Got three greens this time, which, however, sucked.
Kaida the Heartless
I did this with a Hexpressure team. It was fun. No bonder or anything. A few deaths on one of my heroes but it was still entertaining!
Witchblade
i tried this one day i was bored, i took a classic splinter barrager + 3N, 2E and 2Mo henchies. I had no real clue about the place, didnt check the wiki either.
In NM, it was total c-spacing for this, and ofc totally not rewarded at all, best drop a crappy Q10 Gold Fellblade.
I wonder if trying this in HM is worth it ^^
In NM, it was total c-spacing for this, and ofc totally not rewarded at all, best drop a crappy Q10 Gold Fellblade.
I wonder if trying this in HM is worth it ^^
bhavv
I tried to H/H tombs way back when NF was released but I wasnt really too good at H/H back then in PVE (Even though I won Halls in HA with them lol).
This gives me something new to try. If someone could reccomend me some builds for an elly and my heroes there, that would be really great.
This gives me something new to try. If someone could reccomend me some builds for an elly and my heroes there, that would be really great.