Comment "my" Vanq. build pls.

You're using an outdated form of Sabway, just to let you know. Drop Extinguish on the Jagged MM for Remove Hex and drop something on the SS for Pure was Li Ming.

Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with it. Especially since you're lucky enough to have someone to vanquish with.

Why does a vanquish build needs commenting? Just pick the hardest zone and you'll find out if your build works or not.

You run a very very very similar build to what i run in HM with my Partner. The only major difference is that we run a Defensive Anthem Paragon instead of a SoR one. DA in HM is a HUGE pressure relief more than SoR can overheal because the damage in HM is so high. You already have Life and PvK to take care of party heals you wont need the extra SoR.

Thats my 0.02$ on your build, hope it helpy

Thx @all so far thats what i was hoping for!

@ Marty I did the SS version of Li Ming and another version of power drain +leech sig. although i personnally liked the second choice better it seems just unnecessary because dazed + minions gets everything Li Ming might be a good condition remove but i scince i have extinguish and either 1 or 2 mend on the necs + feast it was over cond remove...
I've tried remove hex too but havent made a choice which i like better extinguish or hex remove i'll try it out some more!

@ D E L E T E D
thx a bunch, i gotta try that tmrw!!!

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@Gift3d
Regarding the N/Rt healer. Heros are and will always be only really efficient at making red bars go up. The N/Rt healer can do that + it has alot of condition removal with WoR and that one healing skill that needs the spirit up.
The Hero AI cant use Prot Skills, and especially since hes a monk himself he should take over the full prot part and let the heros make red bars go up.
And you could make a N/Mo to make red bars go up but the drawbacks to that is that it will have less condition removal, you will loose the chance to take extra support skills like Splinter/Ancestors and you loose the best res skill in the game at the moment(DPS).
So in conclusion for a hero a N/Rt healer is the best choice for your backline regardless of what mode you play in.

And i agree with femaro you dont need even more condition removal other than WoR and MBaS. I acctually dropped my Dismiss Condition for an extra Prot. And if people argue that your team might get pressured, well that usually gets all cleaned up with Life and PvK.

@ Gift3d
I don't understand y to take a channeling monk it just doesn't make too much sense for me personally (I hope I didn't mess up and u mean the mes skill channeling and not a short cut for sth else) when I started Gw i used channeling all the time until I realised that there are hardly any mob on me and so i didnt get any e back...Correct me pls if I am completely mistaken here...
For the "not enough anti melee" part recommend a skill.^^
I always thought aegis chain blurred could do the job...(plus of course prots)

Thx again!
femaro

I'd say he is referring to the Ritualist's Channeling line.

Overall the build looks pretty good, no real complaints. There's a couple of obvious suggestions to improve the build further.

Make the second player a God-mode Paragon with There's Nothing to Fear! and Save Yourselves! Replace the P/W Party Support with a BHA/Volley/Epidemic hero...basically a straight P for R, R for P swap. If you can't do that (the second player doesn't have a Paragon), drop Song of Restoration for Defensive Anthem as suggested. You've got a heap of squishies in the party, DA does a great job protecting them.

Get Splinter Weapon into the build, the most obvious place is on the N/Rt Restorer by replacing Vengeful Weapon.

Weaken Armor is useful for AoE Cracked Armor, which will make everyone including the Minions more effective. I'd drop Rip Enchantment for Weaken Armor on the SS.

You're using Foul Feast on the Softening Bile N/E - why not use Plague Sending instead of Rotting Flesh to use those conditions offensively? Rotting Flesh can backfire against you, so i don't really like it.

A Softening Bile hero's probably of lesser value to the team than a second Paragon with Stunning Strike / Song of Purification / Hexbreaker Aria / Expel Hexes / Empathic Removal...whatever's needed, while still doing huge DPS. To free up the slot for a second Paragon you could move Icy Veins to the N/Rt Restorer and Rising Bile / Putrid Bile / Rip Enchantment to the MM, almost completely absorbing the N/E. Given you've got 2 x PS and 3 x Aegis, the MM doesn't need a Mo secondary.

The E/Mo is interesting, i'll give that a try, looks a bit like the Shatterstone. I'd possibly replace it with an E/Rt Blindbot Channeler - does the same anti-melee job but with 90% miss. It's a strong character who can bang out Weakness, Cracked Armor and Blind, which the BHA can spread via Epidemic. It also makes room for Splinter Weapon & Ancestor's Rage. There is overlap between the Blindbot and the SS (Weakness / Cracked Armor / Reckless Haste) and the N/Rt Restorer (Splinter Weapon), so you're E/Mo makes a worthwhile alternative to a Blindbot. I'm not really sure snares + Maelstrom adds anything significant to the team, I'd probably take a WoH hybrid or a D/N Arcane Orders / N/Mo Order of the Vampire to support the 2 Paras and Ranger, plus bang out party heals every few seconds. A N/Rt OotV could alternately take Splinter and Ancestor's for more offense.

These are just suggestions, take them or leave them. It's a nice build as it is.

Thx a lot ill try it out and find out whats best for me..unfortunately my friend only plays a ranger^^
I made the ele up myself but only did it recently...if u test it further just give a comment bout how it worked out for u pls!
thx

edit: for the arcane zeal d/n does order effect minions?? that'd be leet

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Looks great! I really wish I could have done most of my vanq'ing with another person, because that icy veins/dual bile build would rock hardcore in hardmode. I tried using it myself in nm and things generally die too fast for it to be effective.

OK I'll try that... guess u'd have to micro epidemic for the para to use it effectively, or isn't that necessary?

If Epidemic will hit, they'll use it.

I tried your E/Mo snarer - works well and i can see it synergising well with Epidemic. It causes scatter, but that just gives your squishies time to kite. If you could fit Blind into the build (maybe Burning Spear on the Paragon/s + Steam on the E/Mo instead of Blurred Vision), spreading Daze + Blindness would be awesome-sauce.

I wouldn't take both a Blindbot and an SS, but i might take a Snarer and an SS. I use about a dozen Hero builds depending on the zone, this one will slot into the mix

[edit] I took out two Paragons and the Snarer to test the build. Heroes rock with Epidemic and only use it if it will hit adjacent foes. Burning Spear / Anthem of Flame + Steam + Epidemic works to spread blind. This + BHA will spread the two most damaging conditions in the game against foes. Let's not forget Burning, Bleeding, Poison, Weakness, Cracked Armor and Deep Wound.

Another option to consider is Fevered Dreams if you're keen on spreading conditions. Maybe drop the N/E for a Fevered Dreams / Domination Mesmer. Fevered Dreams also works on a Paragon.

haha thx!
Anyways i made the changes haven't tested it out yet just somewhat changed the build overall..
I am not very sure this will work but that's what you guys are for :P
Ok open ur mouth baby here it comes:



Consider that I'm quite tired and haven't tryed this out.
Monk bar can vary a little, scince this build is way more offencive and SY! has to absorb a lot i took rc (cause 2 big cond. removed are gone).
For the ele i dunno bout energy matters hope it works and the defence can manage...that's what i think is gonna be tough
and...yea basically figure the rest out for urselfs..like i said gotta do some testing in the next days..

little correction i guess u meant wild thro not wild strike :P

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With an RC in the build and having so many squishies i would no way change DA for SoP. There arent even enough conditions in PvE to ever require that skill.
Other than that i agree that you should revert back to your old Snare bar.
Not sure on the P/Me but the P/W looks exactly like mine

@ Antithesis

I'll consider that. I guess i make it dependent on the area the snarer worked very well in areas with large groups. ball snare dead before they even reach a squishy....and necro didnt make that much sense before the update...i guess now it should be awesome..
kk that's all from me tonight thx for all your help
goodnight!

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