The Ecto Issue: My thoughts (Economics involved)

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quickmonty
quickmonty
Ancient Windbreaker
#21
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Originally Posted by nvmu
As supply increase price increases
As demand increases price decreases

trying to find a graph of this, but the ones on wikipedia are links so i can't upload it here because it won't let me copy the link to that graph
According to the text and the chart:

As prices increase, supply is increased (to increase profits)
As prices decrease, supply is decreased

The way you have it isn't logical.
nvmu
nvmu
Frost Gate Guardian
#22
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Originally Posted by Shiney
Okay, so now that we are all agreed that the price of ectos is at a low... now what?
and ectos are not at a low, they are at equilibrium, so most lieky there will only be a slight change in ectos price over time which will fluctuate maybe ± 500g
Jetdoc
Jetdoc
Hell's Protector
#23
Quote:
Originally Posted by nvmu
you say i am mistaken, let me teach you how to read a graph, the Blue line is the supply, to the right is increasing, as the Blue line moves right price increases
the RED line is demand, as the demand increases(moves right) what does the y point(price) do, it decreases
No, the graph is showing that if demand is higher than supply, the suppliers will INCREASE their price such that it will bring the price back into equilibrium - that is, the price will increase until demand again matches supply.

It is NOT saying that as demand increases, the price decreases, which is what you put.
RiceCream
RiceCream
Frost Gate Guardian
#24
oooh...i have an idea..how about revert favor of the gods to be depended on Hall of Heroes, cause nearly infinite minutes of favor (as it essentially is) allows for nearly infinite ecto farming.

imo favor of the gods being based on HoH control was the only thing that tied pve and pvp together.
nvmu
nvmu
Frost Gate Guardian
#25
Quote:
Originally Posted by quickmonty
According to the text and the chart:

As prices increase, supply is increased (to increase profits)
As prices decrease, supply is decreased

The way you have it isn't logical.
except if you look at the wikipedia page that someone else posted the ink to the graph is x= quantity and y= price
graphs are read x,y not y,x so it would be as supply increases price increases, as demand increases price decreases ( i am also in ap physics, we do alot with graphs and proportions, the way you are syaing it x=price and y= supply/demand, which makes no logical sense seeing that supply/demand determines price and not the other way around)
Stolen Souls
Stolen Souls
Desert Nomad
#26
More supply and less demand = lower prices.

More demand and less supply = higher prices.

Need an example? Look at the CoF greens.
Lionhe4rt
Lionhe4rt
Ascalonian Squire
#27
Quote:
Originally Posted by nvmu
you say i am mistaken, let me teach you how to read a graph, the Blue line is the supply, to the right is increasing, as the Blue line moves right price increases
the RED line is demand, as the demand increases(moves right) what does the y point(price) do, it decreases

You do realise that you're not making any sense at all, right? Just think of it; why would the price of a product go down if more people want to buy it?
x'''D

Just look at the description of the graphic;

Quote:
The graph depicts an increase in demand from D1 to D2, along with a consequent increase in price and quantity Q sold of the product.
nvmu
nvmu
Frost Gate Guardian
#28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetdoc
No, the graph is showing that if demand is higher than supply, the suppliers will INCREASE their price such that it will bring the price back into equilibrium - that is, the price will increase until demand again matches supply.

It is NOT saying that as demand increases, the price decreases, which is what you put.
lol once again showing your lack of knowledge, the d1 is 1 demand line, d2 is another demand line based on a major change such as if there is a sudden change in a population, or better example yet, if there is a hurrican supply for generates would greatly increase which would be d2
the red and blue lines are not related to each other, they just show where the equilibrium point is
Dallcingi
Dallcingi
Desert Nomad
#29
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Originally Posted by EroChrono
The ecto price has been pretty stable for months and months on end now, regardless of new campaign's, skills and featured being added to the game.
If you ask me ANet is keeping the price around ~5k artificially :3
Yeah my guess is that Anet is keeping the price around there on purpose...
nvmu
nvmu
Frost Gate Guardian
#30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionhe4rt
You do realise that you're not making any sense at all, right? Just think of it; why would the price of a product go down if more people want to buy it?
x'''D

Just look at the description of the graphic;
lol except demand is not based on supply and supply is not based on demand they are independent events
MelechRic
MelechRic
Desert Nomad
#31
Quote:
Originally Posted by nvmu
you say i am mistaken, let me teach you how to read a graph, the Blue line is the supply, to the right is increasing, as the Blue line moves right price increases
the RED line is demand, as the demand increases(moves right) what does the y point(price) do, it decreases
You need to RTFA, specifically this part:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand#...et_equilibrium

The curves shift. It's moronic to neglect that.

The other thing to remember, Guild Wars != Real World.
quickmonty
quickmonty
Ancient Windbreaker
#32
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Originally Posted by MMSDome
Anyways, does anyone else think it is possible that A-Net sets a limit to how low the price of certain materials can actually go?
The truth of the matter is that RL economics are thrown out the window in GW. ANET controls the market. They can increase or decrease supply, and also manipulate prices via the NPC's that buy and sell them.
nvmu
nvmu
Frost Gate Guardian
#33
Quote:
Originally Posted by MelechRic
You need to RTFA, specifically this part:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand#...et_equilibrium

The curves shift. It's moronic to neglect that. It's also moronic to ignore the reality of economics in your every day life. Why do you think that liter or gallon of gasoline is more expensive now than it was 10 years ago? Maybe the one billion Chinese and one billion Indians that are beginning to use much more oil/gas is to blame while the overall supply of oil in the world remains fixed or is diminishing. Ever hear of the term "Peak Oil?"

lol..
do you know anything about supply and demand,
they are putting out more oil than ever, and what are prices doing INCREASEING, hence as supply increases price increases,
ALSO that works on elastic products, OIL IS AN INELASTIC PRODUCT people will buy no mater what the price is, which is why they can raise the prices so high
nvmu
nvmu
Frost Gate Guardian
#34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionhe4rt
In GW, maybe.

But in RL, if there is more demand -> results in more supply (usually, on some market forms de supply is kept low to keep the prices high, think about the oil market for example).
as i justposted the laws of supply and demand work for ELASTIC products, oil/gas is an INELASTIC product which means people will BUY NO MATTER WHAT
Stolen Souls
Stolen Souls
Desert Nomad
#35
How about...we talk about ectos, instead of oil. And GW...instead of the global market?

Guild Wars:

Demand > Supply = High Price (Crystalline Sword, Emerald Edge (for now))
Demand < Supply = Low Price (CoF Greens)

It isn't really that hard to grasp :/



The way I see it, right now ectos: Supply more or less = demand, with supply very slowly increasing, and/or demand very slowly decreasing.
Jetdoc
Jetdoc
Hell's Protector
#36
Quote:
Originally Posted by nvmu
lol once again showing your lack of knowledge, the d1 is 1 demand line, d2 is another demand line based on a major change such as if there is a sudden change in a population, or better example yet, if there is a hurrican supply for generates would greatly increase which would be d2
the red and blue lines are not related to each other, they just show where the equilibrium point is
You really, really, really need to read the text in relation to the graph, and not just focus on the graph alone. You are absolutely misinterpreting the graph.

What do you make of the caption underneath the graph...

The graph depicts an increase in demand from D1 to D2, along with a consequent increase in price and quantity Q sold of the product.
MMSDome
MMSDome
Raged Out
#37
Quote:
Originally Posted by nvmu
lol..
do you know anything about supply and demand,
they are putting out more oil than ever, and what are prices doing INCREASEING, hence as supply increases price increases,
ALSO that works on elastic products, OIL IS AN INELASTIC PRODUCT people will buy no mater what the price is, which is why they can raise the prices so high
What about Diamonds? You dont need to buy diamonds but people still pay high prices for them. The fact of the matter is people think they are rare so they pay a lot for them but they are not rare. Diamond mine owners control the supply of diamonds they let out which increases they cost, making them more money.

When they choke the supply and price goes up it kind of makes you wonder.

Also if Crystalline swords were common drops are you saying that the price would go up further because according to what you are saying is that since there is little supply of crystalline swords they should be really cheap. Guess that makes PERFECT SENSE!
quickmonty
quickmonty
Ancient Windbreaker
#38
Quote:
Originally Posted by nvmu
do you know anything about supply and demand ...... as supply increases price increases
Apparently you don't. That just defies all logic. If you flood the market with a product the price will go DOWN!
Swamp Fox
Swamp Fox
Frost Gate Guardian
#39
(not to sound smart@$$) but i have taken a college level economics class(in college) and if you have more of something(supply) than the amount the people want(demand) then prices will decrease, and i believe the problem is just because we(GW pvers as a whole) farm uw for ectos way too much, my solution would be to limit the amount of times you can enter UW a day

this is only my view and i hope that it never happens, and sorry if someone else already said this
Faction Gambler
Faction Gambler
Academy Page
#40
This thread fails.

Guild Wars economy CANNOT be measured using real world economic models.

No offense or flame intended but O/P need to go back to the drawing board in regards to supply and demand.

About oil, yes prices is alot higher than 20 years ago but input inflation into play and people will see that its still cheaper today for a product with finite life imo.