Sorry if this has already been asked, I don't know to check if there are similar threads to this.
I am currently playing as a fire elemenetalist and I don't know what would be most useful to me; Wand, Sword or Staff? What stats should I go with on the items aswell?
Some people call me a noob because I don't have a caster weapon or shield and I got to admit that they usualy look nicer than a staff or wand, but I feel that a staff and a wand would have better mods for my build. Can someone reccomend to me what I should wield?
16+1+3 fire magic
12+1 energy storage
Fireball
Tenai's Heat
Searing Heat
Savannah Heat
Arcane Echo
Meteor Shower
Glyph of Sacrifice
Fire Attunement
I amn't asking for you to rate the build. I am just showing you the skills I normally use so that you can tell me what the right equipment would be for it.
Sword/Shield or Wand/Focus?...or Staff?
Bohya
Elder III
Wand and Focus will generally give you the best and largest number of modding opportunities. Caster Weapons generally mean that you are going to be up close doing trying to do melee dmg and worse - receiving melee dmg... Elementalists have weak armor and are naturally susceptible to physical damage so you should be trying to stay away from that and use ranged attacks along with your spells. Now there are builds for just about everything and sometimes they call for a sword or axe etc... but generally and generically speaking stick with the weapons intended for your profession.
the kurzick eater
hmm.... like i predicted.. someone posted the equip like yesterday.. and people ask =/ thats okay i guess u missed out on that one :P
the ele equipments for ALL BUILDS should be 40/40 sets
20/20 wand 20/20 offhand
this is the best possible setup you can have
the ele equipments for ALL BUILDS should be 40/40 sets
20/20 wand 20/20 offhand
this is the best possible setup you can have
Stormlord Alex
20/20 wand and 20/20 offhand > all for a PvE ele.
makosi
I often use Technobabble and Pain Inverter on ele bars so I find that a staff is more useful than a 20/20 wand and offhand.
The staves I use always have a 20% Adept staff head and a 20% "Aptitude not Attitude" inscription though. Energy shouldn't be an issue.
A sword/axe/spear + shield combination is handy when you're being ganked and the extra health or armour could save your life, but Interrupt Wars™ almost forces you to run fast cast mods on an ele. Their high damage spikey spells are balanced by long (irritating) casting times.
The staves I use always have a 20% Adept staff head and a 20% "Aptitude not Attitude" inscription though. Energy shouldn't be an issue.
A sword/axe/spear + shield combination is handy when you're being ganked and the extra health or armour could save your life, but Interrupt Wars™ almost forces you to run fast cast mods on an ele. Their high damage spikey spells are balanced by long (irritating) casting times.
Bohya
Thank you very much all! I'm guessing I'll just use a 20/20 wand and a 20/20 focus. I suppose that a wand does keep me at range. I like to autoattack during downtime
. I'll just tell those people who say that I am a noob for using a wand to go and **** themselves!
. I'll just tell those people who say that I am a noob for using a wand to go and **** themselves!
the kurzick eater
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I'll just tell those people who say that I am a noob for using a wand to go and **** themselves!
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btw eles ar sooper fearsum with DAGERZ
hadin gar kain
i would use a spear instead of a sword/axe, it keeps you out of melee range, and a spear with req 0 that is inscribable would be the best bet if you want to use a non caster specific item.
you might try to do all of them, if you can afford them, i would get a set of each and then use them, and see what ones work better for you, and what ones to change to in certain situations.
you might try to do all of them, if you can afford them, i would get a set of each and then use them, and see what ones work better for you, and what ones to change to in certain situations.
Rydia Merchan
Caster classes like eles need the recharge/and or casting time mods on their wep sets and should generally choose a staff or wand/offhand. Though shields are always handy to manage damage. I like wands/off hands better than staves for some reason, except on my necro.
I carry a sword/shield on my mesmer more for cosmetic reasons, then switch to wand/off hand when I'm actually fighting. Monk is the onnly class where this is not cosmetic--as your cast/recharges are so quick on monk spells.
I carry a sword/shield on my mesmer more for cosmetic reasons, then switch to wand/off hand when I'm actually fighting. Monk is the onnly class where this is not cosmetic--as your cast/recharges are so quick on monk spells.
S_Serpent
On my ele I have the following:
Sword +5 energy / 20% longer enchants (weaponsmith)
Axe +5 energy / +30hp (weaponsmith)
Shield: +30hp and +10 armor vs dmg type (got all seven) (collector)
Per magic line:
HSR 20/ FC 20 wand (weaponsmith)
HSR 20 / +15 energy -1 energy regen wand (collector)
HSR 20 / +5 energy while enchanted and/or while above 50 wand (dropped and modded or collectors)
HSR 20 / FC 20 offhand (collector)
HSR 20 / +30hp offhand (collector)
HSR 20 / +1 magic line 20% offhand (collector)
HSR 20 / +15 energy -1 energy regen offhand (collector)
and for certain builds:
Some staves
Mostly used:
wand and offhand
Sword/axe and offhand
Sword/axe and shield
Sword +5 energy / 20% longer enchants (weaponsmith)
Axe +5 energy / +30hp (weaponsmith)
Shield: +30hp and +10 armor vs dmg type (got all seven) (collector)
Per magic line:
HSR 20/ FC 20 wand (weaponsmith)
HSR 20 / +15 energy -1 energy regen wand (collector)
HSR 20 / +5 energy while enchanted and/or while above 50 wand (dropped and modded or collectors)
HSR 20 / FC 20 offhand (collector)
HSR 20 / +30hp offhand (collector)
HSR 20 / +1 magic line 20% offhand (collector)
HSR 20 / +15 energy -1 energy regen offhand (collector)
and for certain builds:
Some staves
Mostly used:
wand and offhand
Sword/axe and offhand
Sword/axe and shield
Kattar
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Originally Posted by Elder III
Caster Weapons generally mean that you are going to be up close doing trying to do melee dmg and worse - receiving melee dmg...
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On topic: I only use a caster sword/shield for looks. Some people will swear by them, but the energy/recharges available with a wand/offhand are far greater.
Runic blade on my mesmer is ftw though.
Fried Tech
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Originally Posted by the kurzick eater
hmm.... like i predicted.. someone posted the equip like yesterday.. and people ask =/ thats okay i guess u missed out on that one :P
the ele equipments for ALL BUILDS should be 40/40 sets 20/20 wand 20/20 offhand this is the best possible setup you can have |
I play ele as my main character and I always have a 40/40 set, melee set with health and +20% to enchants, and a High energy staff with +15energy -1 regen, and a longbow for pulling but you probly wont have to worry about that right now.
The Way Out
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Originally Posted by Katsumi
...I'm sorry, wut? You know that just because it's sword/axe, doesn't mean you're supposed to go hit them with it, right? That's not the definition of a caster weapon.
On topic: I only use a caster sword/shield for looks. Some people will swear by them, but the energy/recharges available with a wand/offhand are far greater. Runic blade on my mesmer is ftw though. |
Nothing compares to a wand/sceptre and focus on a caster.
Caster Sword and Shield are for looks only...
Fried Tech
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/agreed
Nothing compares to a wand/sceptre and focus on a caster. Caster Sword and Shield are for looks only... |
qazwersder
I must be noob then. I always used a wand/focus on my ele, there is pretty much no advantage over them in PvE. You can argue that you can have 20/20 +30hp +5e on a wand/focus but i'll just stick that on a staff (ok -2e over wand/focus, but i have energy storage and management meaning the difference between 87 and 89 energy is nothing). I also dont expect to take damage so the +hp is pointless, if im that desperate for health either the whole parties going down or im being dumb and standing somewhere I shouldnt be.
The Way Out
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Originally Posted by Fried Tech
you go ahead and try to run a close aoe ele build with a wand or staff, then try it with a melee weapon. Let me know which is more convenient.
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I seriously think you are referring to a solo farming build, which warrants a caster weapons (totem axe or modded weapon). In that case, I will shut up, however, for day to day casting, you are sadly mistaken if you think that a weapon and shield are better for a caster.
In the end...
I carry four sets of weapons
40/40
Energy/health Staff
Caster Weapon and Shield
Bow
I have been doing that for as long as I can remember and it has worked for me and many others.
Focus and one wand are what is best for a caster. This has also been proven statistically on this site and others.
Fried Tech
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Originally Posted by The Way Out
What are you talking about? A wand and focus are much better at casting then a sword and shield. Also, I am a monk and I am always running in and out of a battle. I get by fine with a focus and sceptre. A 40/40 set trumps a caster sword and shield anytime.
I seriously think you are referring to a solo farming build, which warrants a caster weapons (totem axe or modded weapon). In that case, I will shut up, however, for day to day casting, you are sadly mistaken if you think that a weapon and shield are better for a caster. In the end... I carry four sets of weapons 40/40 Energy/health Staff Caster Weapon and Shield Bow I have been doing that for as long as I can remember and it has worked for me and many others. Focus and one wand are what is best for a caster. This has also been proven statistically on this site and others. |
If you are running a earth ele build with.. lets say, after shock, shockwave, and other close aoe damage skills it is much MUCH easier to have a melee weapon equiped. Instead of having to manuver your way in there you hit "c" then "space", and bam! you are right in your enemies face.
It is not for the health and certainly not for the energy. It just makes things a little easier.
Before going on a rant about how right you are maybe you should read carefully.
The Way Out
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Originally Posted by Fried Tech
at no point did i say that it was better. I said that there are point where a melee weapon is more useful.
If you are running a earth ele build with.. lets say, after shock, shockwave, and other close aoe damage skills it is much MUCH easier to have a melee weapon equiped. Instead of having to manuver your way in there you hit "c" then "space", and bam! you are right in your enemies face. It is not for the health and certainly not for the energy. It just makes things a little easier. Before going on a rant about how right you are maybe you should read carefully. |
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Originally Posted by Fried Tech
you go ahead and try to run a close aoe ele build with a wand or staff, then try it with a melee weapon. Let me know which is more convenient.
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Didn't you just say that at no point did you say a sword and wand are better than...???
Sound familiar?
The build you are describing sounds an awful lot like a solo Terra Tank build... (which the caster sword helps with Obsidian Flesh and other Enchantments only).
If you use a caster sword and shield on an ele and think it is better than a 40/40 you have issues that I don't think I can help you with.
I am not flaming you, just pointing something out. Again, refer to your own post, not mine defending the fact that a 40/40 is better than a caster sword and shield. Understand?
By the way, I was just saying that a 40/40 is better when you jumped in and gave me on scenario where it may not be. Sad...
Fried Tech
please, tell me where in the dictionary it says conveient and better are synonyms. I think you are getting your definitions mixed bud.
con·ven·ient :–adjective
1. suitable or agreeable to the needs or purpose; well-suited with respect to facility or ease in use; favorable, easy, or comfortable for use.
2. at hand; easily accessible: Their house is convenient to all transportation.
3. Obsolete. fitting; suitable
bet·ter1: –adjective
1. of superior quality or excellence: a better coat; a better speech.
2. morally superior; more virtuous
there ya go. ill give you some time to let that process
I am only saying that what you want as a weapon set depends on what you are running. Telling people that wand and off hand are always tops just adds to the large # of eles out there that run nothing but nuker builds. There is so much out there for an ele to run.
con·ven·ient :–adjective
1. suitable or agreeable to the needs or purpose; well-suited with respect to facility or ease in use; favorable, easy, or comfortable for use.
2. at hand; easily accessible: Their house is convenient to all transportation.
3. Obsolete. fitting; suitable
bet·ter1: –adjective
1. of superior quality or excellence: a better coat; a better speech.
2. morally superior; more virtuous
there ya go. ill give you some time to let that process
I am only saying that what you want as a weapon set depends on what you are running. Telling people that wand and off hand are always tops just adds to the large # of eles out there that run nothing but nuker builds. There is so much out there for an ele to run.
Kattar
Lord, find something better to do then try and teach people the English language.
Seriously, no one cares. Not even The Way Out.
The question has been answered to the OP's satisfaction, I'm sure. Move along.
Seriously, no one cares. Not even The Way Out.
The question has been answered to the OP's satisfaction, I'm sure. Move along.
The Way Out
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Originally Posted by Fried Tech
please, tell me where in the dictionary it says conveient and better are synonyms. I think you are getting your definitions mixed bud.
con·ven·ient :–adjective 1. suitable or agreeable to the needs or purpose; well-suited with respect to facility or ease in use; favorable, easy, or comfortable for use. 2. at hand; easily accessible: Their house is convenient to all transportation. 3. Obsolete. fitting; suitable bet·ter1: –adjective 1. of superior quality or excellence: a better coat; a better speech. 2. morally superior; more virtuous there ya go. ill give you some time to let that process |
/applause
Your reply suggesting that I "go and try" was dripping with Elitism, and assumed that I was globally condemning a caster sword and shield and ignorant to the fact that they do have their utility. They are for looks (99% percent of the time, unless you have a specific goal around them, like faster attack rate or longer enchants), and are not generally good for much outside of solo builds and casting longer enchantments, which you can still do with a focus and scepter or staff (for that matter).
I would also like to point out that your use of the word convenient was a passive attempt at sarcasm. I am not trying to demean your intelligence or physical stature irl... which I could do and would prove nothing of me (outside of showing the world that I am good at typing and witty remarks).
You have a tendency to necro post, as I look at your previous posts. Sad....
Fried Tech
wow. i must have hit a nerve by using the word convenient. I'm sorry. When I said that I meant nothing more than "go try it for yourself".
Second, if you are going to misquote me then I will correct you.
And I don't know what necro post means... could you find that in the dictionary for me?
Second, if you are going to misquote me then I will correct you.
And I don't know what necro post means... could you find that in the dictionary for me?
The Way Out
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then why would he keep posting
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Now I am left to berate you for the necro you are. The OP wants to know which is better. Why did you make things about you?
Fried Tech
I think you managed to take every single one of my posts out of context. Guru is here for the exchange of information between players. I posted one thing, you came back with another, and so on and so forth.
When I said try it, I meant just that.
When I posted from the dictionary, it was because you misquoted me.
As far as I'm concerned we are the only 2 people left on this thread. Having a discussion, heated as you may have made it, on your end anyway. If you think I trying to sound superior, your wrong. If you think I was trying to make this about me, your wrong. And I'll leave it at that.
When I said try it, I meant just that.
When I posted from the dictionary, it was because you misquoted me.
As far as I'm concerned we are the only 2 people left on this thread. Having a discussion, heated as you may have made it, on your end anyway. If you think I trying to sound superior, your wrong. If you think I was trying to make this about me, your wrong. And I'll leave it at that.
The Way Out
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Originally Posted by Fried Tech
you go ahead and try to run a close aoe ele build with a wand or staff, then try it with a melee weapon. Let me know which is more convenient.
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I should have changed it to the following, and maybe then none of the supposed "heated" arguments would have ensued.
"I don't agree with a 40/40 always being the right thing. I use a caster sword and shield when I run a close AoE ele build because I am able to maintain Obi Flesh, Stone Striker, and Kinetic Armor for longer"...
But I misquoted you...
Fried Tech
See, now your giving me english lessons.
Haven't we all learn a lot today
but seriously. I get your point, and I think you got mine, although in a roundabout way.
And its time for me to get off work. See you all tomorrow.
Haven't we all learn a lot today
but seriously. I get your point, and I think you got mine, although in a roundabout way.
And its time for me to get off work. See you all tomorrow.
I Angra I
40/40 set for when you're casting.
Sword/shield set for when you're taking damage/kiting/not casting stuff.
The end.
Sword/shield set for when you're taking damage/kiting/not casting stuff.
The end.
IslandHermet
wowser, been reading the threads that fried and way out are going at it like dogs, Hate to say it tho, you are attacking fried and he is kickin your arse, you have thrown out names and insults and yet I read none from frieds posts.
lets keep this civil.
but back to the OP
40/40 for casting most of the time
high energy set for when things start to get hairy on your ebar
weapon/shield (you will want the armor mods with these)
lets keep this civil.
but back to the OP
40/40 for casting most of the time
high energy set for when things start to get hairy on your ebar
weapon/shield (you will want the armor mods with these)
Fried Tech
argument is over and question is answered i think its ok to close now. MODs?
Bohya
Hope this doesn't get closed. This is only my second thread.
No real need to keep posting anyway. I'm fine with a wand/focus.
. No real need to keep posting anyway. I'm fine with a wand/focus.
Kattar
It's not your fault if a thread gets closed, nor do you get penalized for people's ridiculous actions in a thread you created.
So don't worry.
So don't worry.
IslandHermet
the mods close a thread once the a answer for the question is found (or a argument is to out of hand) and I think you have the answer you want right? if not keep askin for more info.
Bohya
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the mods close a thread once the a answer for the question is found (or a argument is to out of hand) and I think you have the answer you want right? if not keep askin for more info.
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palladia
Dumb question...If I were to carry a shield and sword, and I have not the skills to satisfy the requirements on the shield and sword (e.g. a 9-STR requirement on shield, and 10-req on swordsmanship), are they still useful?
I was told to carry a shield for an Ursan build. But if I get no armor benefits out of it (because I don't satisfy the requirement), what good is it?
I was told to carry a shield for an Ursan build. But if I get no armor benefits out of it (because I don't satisfy the requirement), what good is it?
Randvek
I find it funny that so many people who think they know a lot about this game still talk about 40/40 sets, when in reality they are 36/32/4 sets.
Statistics ftw?
Statistics ftw?
Velise_Snowtorm
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I was told to carry a shield for an Ursan build. But if I get no armor benefits out of it (because I don't satisfy the requirement), what good is it?
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Though if you Ursan, you'll probably want to take a Warrior or Paragon secondary and meet the req of the shield for the full amount of armor. I don't Ursan myself, but I assume that's what they do- someone can correct me if I'm wrong on Ursan setups.
The Way Out
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wowser, been reading the threads that fried and way out are going at it like dogs, Hate to say it tho, you are attacking fried and he is kickin your arse, you have thrown out names and insults and yet I read none from frieds posts.
lets keep this civil. but back to the OP 40/40 for casting most of the time high energy set for when things start to get hairy on your ebar weapon/shield (you will want the armor mods with these) |
He is clearly wrong by misleading people with the introduction of a solo ele build that isn't used in average pve or pvp.
I've been a bit informative, even went as far as to describe his build when he wouldn't and why his weapon set reference would work there...
And then you come in with pom poms and min skirt, scream for someone to what??? win in a forum conversation?
40/40 set trumps all...
Big trick is to stay out of aggro... I assume most of you understand that computer AI is limited
IslandHermet
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It's not a contest for me...
He is clearly wrong by misleading people with the introduction of a solo ele build that isn't used in average pve or pvp. I've been a bit informative, even went as far as to describe his build when he wouldn't and why his weapon set reference would work there... And then you come in with pom poms and min skirt, scream for someone to what??? win in a forum conversation? 40/40 set trumps all... Big trick is to stay out of aggro... I assume most of you understand that computer AI is limited |
and again you throw insults into your post (when you do this you lose all credibility and only make yourself look bad) even if this is a forum.
No insults intended (but lets try to play nice)
IslandHermet
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Originally Posted by palladia
Dumb question...If I were to carry a shield and sword, and I have not the skills to satisfy the requirements on the shield and sword (e.g. a 9-STR requirement on shield, and 10-req on swordsmanship), are they still useful?
I was told to carry a shield for an Ursan build. But if I get no armor benefits out of it (because I don't satisfy the requirement), what good is it? |
I am not sure (its early and im still half asleep) but it is 8 base armor? some one correct this if I,m off.
Fried Tech
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Originally Posted by The Way Out
It's not a contest for me...
He is clearly wrong by misleading people with the introduction of a solo ele build that isn't used in average pve or pvp. I've been a bit informative, even went as far as to describe his build when he wouldn't and why his weapon set reference would work there... And then you come in with pom poms and min skirt, scream for someone to what??? win in a forum conversation? 40/40 set trumps all... Big trick is to stay out of aggro... I assume most of you understand that computer AI is limited |
My point the entire time was that in certain situations the 40/40 set is not the best. For the build that the OP posted, yes it is tops. For any sort of up close build it is not tops. If you are casting melee range skills why would you want to be out of agro? You keep saying a solo build. How is my example : shockwave, aftershock, etc. a solo build? No where in there did I mention stonestriker or obi flesh., or any defensive skill. You took my example and turned it into the cookie cutter solo build that you thought it should be. Another example where melee sets would be better is anytime you are using ursan blessing. Or, just about any E/A build, or fire builds with inferno, lava font,ride the lightning, etc.
Finally, before you start with the, "your condasending, and just want to feel like you have a big e-peen" bull, remember that 90% of everything is relative. Do you think everyone is out to get you? Do you have self esteem issues? Do you want people to come and look at your post for some /applause, Mr. Muscle Avatar?