the value of a weapon

Sums it up nicely.

Old school req8 anything > new shit

His Fellblade is worth more than the other guys, but I dont think the mods are useful (I would still chose that fellblde over the other one though. IMO +30>+5ar as +5ar does nothing against degen or armor ignoring damage, so having +30 I'd say you would survive longer on average.

What he said.

Seriously, mods don't matter; if you really want a high valued weapon w/ sundering, you'd do better to buy the req8 fellblade and mod it yourself, rather than buy the "perfect" req9 and never be able to change that. I never understood why people bother modding weapons at all; chances are the the person who wants to buy it is just going to salvage off the sundering and replace it with something...useful. Heck, why do people bother putting 15^50 inscriptions on weapons they're selling, they think the person buying it can't find one for 1k if that's what they want? Req, color, skin, and dmg mod if it's not inscribable, that's all that matters.

And the fact that you said sundering... Vamp > sundering...

And the +5 mod and other stuff can be changed making this sword worth more then your potato peeler.

I never said sundering was better than vamp, i said sundering was better than furious.

Plus, i dont have a potato peeler, i have a perfect q9 crystalline skin. i have no idea what you call a potato peeler, but i don't believe my sword is a potato peeler.

On another note, i dont think the debate is even about the value between the two, its obvious the fellblade is worth more, but in practicality of the matter, the perfect sword is more useful.

For me, 'perfect' means just 'perfect base'.
That is,
- Max damage.
- Max common properties (those that all items of the same type share: max damage in weapons, 20%HSR in staves, 12 energy in foci, 16 armor in shields, 10% armor penetration in hornbows, etc.
- Req 9 or less
- Inscribable. If I cannot upgrade fully change all variable properties the weapon has no use for me. If I have to get another weapon if someday I decide to change a 15^50% into a +5 energy, I'd rather get another weapon instead one without inscription slot. With the current storage, I cannot afford to have 10 weapons when I can have 3 with inscriptions, since I only change them once in a while.

Then any upgrades are paid separately, like purchased one by one.

A weapon loses ALL of its value when you pay to buy one just for E peen and Aesthetics.

the value in a great skinned weapon with decent stats is when it drops and you get that super 'OMG YAAAAAAAY' feeling.

If you just buy them, you lose that value.

I farmed just about all of my weapons on my elly and my monk, and and now doing the same on my mesmer. I handed down an uncustomised Mindclouder and Kaolin Domination staff from my Elly, and a Gold Q9 insp dragon spire staff that dropped in a HM dungeon and I kept for Gwen.

I will never buy weapons in this game. I did do at first untill I discovered the value of them dropping. I use whatever drops for me on my characters an my heroes. I have 4 PVE's now so thats plenty of heroes to equip.

I even have customised Kanaxais Edge and Kanaxais Mallet on my Elly that dropped for me when I played my monk several times in the deep. Also I spent two days solid farming Kunvies Air staff, and less time for Kaolin Water staff, Ragos Staff (My first elly green), Galigords Staff and still want Shekoss' staff on my elly, and countless others on my monk.

I love it when they drop. Buying them just destroys that feeling.

This picture is a year old now, I think I have about double this many greens in total now and several golds on my monk. Also I have the Golds / Greens you get in Gwen ofc:



All self farmed except for the Galigords Weps. I did green for green trades for them and the Runar Brimstone Air greens back when we only had prophecies. I merched the Runar Brimstone weps (they were customised) and sold the offhand after I got Kunvies Air Staff.

I also need to farm lots more Totem axes and Byzzr's benedicions for my extra monk heroes, and also some Exuros Wills for my elly ones

Wow. So I was going to avoid coming back to this thread after he linked me, but I definitely need to respond, this is going way off topic. This is my side of the story. He was selling "Perfect Gold Weapons" in LA, so I whisper him and ask to see them. One was a sword with non-perfect mods/inscription (for example: +24hp instead of +30hp). The other was a shield with a non-perfect inscription/mods (for example: received physical damage -1 while hexed instead of -5/20). Those are just examples, I forgot what his mods were (they were nothing good, though). I was upset because I was expecting some perfect gold items to buy.

I never claimed that my sword was worth more, I don't know why he brought that up. I wasn't discussing the "value of a weapon" as the thread title states, I was discussing his use of the terminology "perfect" and how he was falsely advertising.

I never claimed that my sword "trumped" his. I simply said my sword was "perfect". And it is, because it has all perfect mods/inscriptions.

That's my side of the story.

It's ridiculous he even made a thread in attempts to ridicule me, when the thread isn't even related to the debate I was having with him.

There's a distinct difference between "personal value" and "market value". The collector bow that you use to get through 3 campaigns may have personal value to you, but it'll also have zero market value. Since we're clearly talking about the value of selling these swords, bringing up personal value really isn't relevant at all. Yay, you like getting the weapons you use yourself, good to hear it, but talking about that in a thread about the relative market value of weapons is missing the point by miles.

It will never change........

I have seen too many people who found or bought a req9 Dead Sword (only an example) and modded it with 20/20 +30 15^50 and they thought selling this Sword will make them rich, only to hear from others that even the "Strength and Honor"-Inscription is worth more than the sword itself.....

It's just a wrong belief by not-so-experienced traders, who see rare swords go for huge prices and maybe they assume it's because of the mods.....

Few days ago I was selling one of my Elemental Swords unmodded (or.. how I found it).
I showed it to a guy and he immediately said: "It's not perfect".
I only replied: "So what? Then buy the mods you want and add them."

So I would say..... Maybe, just maybe it is easier to sell a weapon with 20/20 or +30, but you won't get more money in the end.... and you will lose potential buyers, who might be looking for your item, but with very different mods.... They won't whisper you or pay for unwanted mods....

In term of damage, yea his is better, but in terms of rarity, yours is definitely superior. 10/10 ( old school sundering?) with a inherit of +5 is totally awesome. Plus its a rare skinned fellblade and a req 8!. Not sure if the +5energy goes along well with the sundering, you should just make it a caster weap.

20/20 is moar leet nub

But yea, wammos are stupid so are their weapons.

@Sam_of_Honor
He was never claiming his non-perfect weapons were perfect.

I believe it has already been statistically proven with the Master of Damage and some excel spreadsheet or other than Sundering results in higher damage for swords, axes, scythes, hammers, and possibly the other physical weapons as well, with the single exception of daggers.

lol thats funny cuz i dont remmember showing u a shield........just a brute sword req 11, 15^50 in where u said it wasnt "perfect" because it wasnt req 9 or below and tried showing off with your.....ugh....wingblade, so u continued blabering on how my blade is crap till i showed u my Fell, and u also called that crap in the heat of a hard headed situation where u claimed ur blade "can" trump mine. Another funny thing is, u never explained to be why those specific 20/20 +30 mods are considered "perfect." Pretty much the whole main idea of this argument. Disreguarding the skin and mods, i'l slip the incription in there since mine is oldschool.

A req8 max 15^50 sword is better than a req 9 one, simple as that. Main reason is, to reach its set dmg, u can save an attribute point for something else.

Incorrect.
12 char


And actually Fatal Fury, the reason a req 8 is better then a 9 isn't because you can investe attributes elsewhere (who the heck specs less then 12 in a martial weapon?), but because they drop less frequently, and are thus rarer, and thus more expensive (basic supply and demand).

So u mean to tell me in a build that doesnt use your weapon but you dont have nothing else to use and nowhere else to spend 8 points of attribute, a req 8 sword wouldnt be more uselful than a req 9 one lol.

I do agree with you about rarity, but you have to look at the fact why its rarer

There are builds out there that doesnt use you your weapon, a great example is the steady tank build.

Sundering > Vamp??!!!? is this what your trying to say??!!

The only this is possible if the mod doesnt do what it says and instead of 20/20 it does 20/100 lmao, dont make me laugh plz

In PvE mods matter very little. This entire thread is turning into a flame fest/another furiousvs.sunderingvs.vamparicvs.ecx. thread. And to add my opinion I would choose your sword over his anyday. Although not any more usefull oldschool req.8 fellblade FTW.

If you're not using the weapon, why do you need any points in your weapon mastery at all? Seems like a waste of 7-8 attribute points any way you cut it.

The only weapon I could see being mildly useful with 7-8 attributes is a bow, and only in certain builds like trappers and beast masters. Shields can be incredibly useful as r7-8, and I always hang on to those when I get them (got 3 r8's right now). But swords, axes, hammers, scythes, daggers, spears and staves/wands/foci really don't matter, and have just a rarity value attached.

You loose!


At OP; Any req8 with any perfect inherent bonus mod(s) = a "perfect" item. Anyone who tells you different, in game or in this thread, is wrong... period.

Mods are irrelevant. You can have perfect mods on a perfect weapon, but a req8 15^50 Fellblade with NO mods is still "perfect". Added mods are a matter of preference and hold no bearing on the perfection of the item itself.

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ithinkimighthavetwelvecharsnow

Thank you for proving yourself wrong. A brute sword with only 15^50 is not perfect. It has one perfect mod. The other mod was not perfect. It also did not have an inscription.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Perfect

Dumbass.

So, if a sword is perfect, and nobody cares, is it still perfect?

The perfect weapon? ... Well it has to be tasty!


... Oh and 15^50, 20/20 +30 or +5 20/20 20%

How much is a 10r Fellblade worth with +15^50 mod? <grin> I jest got one to drop. Oh it's inscribeable also not one of those oldschool ones.

As far as I know, I'm the only player to own a truly 'perfect' weapon- the Soul Wedding sword.

You can all stop posting crap/pety discussion now.

Well hes somewhat right. Sundering isn't "useless". Its only bad for low damaging weapons. Weapons like scythes and I think hammers are two good options for using sundering. This is because they can spike. say you hit 41 dmg on a scythe AND the sundering takes effect, the net gain will be ALOT. But the same can't be said on a sword, where the damage max is 22, which is why vampiric is preferred since the net damage is better.

Sundering isn't terrible, just used in few cases..

Sorry being a total noob, even though im a pretty old player, but what is a Soul Wedding sword? Im thinking it is a promotional sword from the early days?

Anyways, the TRUE perfect sword is anything that fits you build, plus mods make very little difference, its funny to see people paying 10k more for a "perfect mod" the one that is a little bit off, considering them "crap". As well as 15^unconditional , now THOSE are truly perfect swords.

Ummm if i do recall, it was clean, all that was left on there was the 15^50 inscription


ROFLMAO you just made yourself look like the dumbass, that link shows examples of perfect mods........not that, (for a weapon to be considered perfect) the weapon HAS to have 20/20 +30 modds

They just happen to use 20/20 +30 modds cuz they're the most fancy modds there is and people are alrdy used to them. Too bad some people make it hard to let it go like someone

lol couldn't say it better myself

A perfect weapon is one that suits my build. My Ebon charr flatbow of fortitude is as good as your ebon Tormented flatbow of fortitude. I don't care about skins very much if they wont matter in GW2. Sorry, no matter what weapon skin I have, Mhenlo doesn't care.

The only reason why people now assume 20/20, +30 hp equal perfect now is because 20/20 sundering mods and +30 hp mods are just mods that are harder to find. Again, the rarity thing comes into play. Since 20/20s and +30s were more expensive, a lot of people who don't understand the mechanics of the game came to think that because they were more expensive, they were therefore better.

Many people who try to sell weapons toss on a 20/20 and a +30 in hopes of getting attention to their item but they don't realize that most people are going to put whatever mods they want themselves and would rather have a clean item. They are under the misconception that tossing a 20/20 and/or a +30 will increase the value of the item by more than what a 20/20 and a +30 mod cost themselves. Personally, if I see someone selling a weapon that has a 20/20 or a +30 on it, that drops the price I offer for it.

As far as most people that trade often (and do well) are concerned, the only attributes that affect the price are:
Max Damage
Color (ie gold, purple, blue)
Rarity of skin
Req (again lower reqs cost more since req 7-9s of an item are harder to find than req 10s-13s)
Inscription slot or Inherent mod (for non inscribables)

When I sell things, I don't say anything beyond the skin, the req, and the damage mod if its inherent. Max damage, Gold, and inscribable are usually assumed and if any of those are different, only then will I say it. Most people with money and actually know how much to pay for items only need to know those few things.

If you made me pick what "perfect" meant on a weapon, I'd expect 15>50, +30hp, 20/20 sundering. I don't use those all the time, and think both sundering and 15>50 are overrated, but that seems to be the most common definition. Refering to a weapon as perfect when it's lacking a mod or has one or more junky mods is misleading, no matter how good the skin/req/inscription/other mods are. At the very least, to qualify as perfect, a weapon would need max damage, both mods and the inscription maxed out.

Try actually listing the STATS when you sell an item rather than using the word "perfect." Personally, I never respond to sellers who use that word because they're either A. using a different definition of perfect than I am, B. lying, or C. expecting way too much money for their item. Sometimes a combination thereof.

Uh. Please open your eyes.

""Perfect" is used to describe weapons, armor, and weapon upgrades with the maximum possible stats or bonuses for its type."

You did not have the maximum possible stat or bonus for the pommel or the hilt. Hence, imperfect.

.........lol i didnt have a pommel nor a hilt on the brute

If it was me, I'd buy the fellblade. But that's just cause I like how fells look. So only the skin means anything to me.

The req means nothing to me. If I'm hitting things, my weap is at least 14 (or 12 on my thumper). If I'm in a caster set (obby tanking) than my points are pretty much 0, or whatever's left over. So req8 or 9, worthless to me. Just e-peen.

As for inscriptions/inherents, since both are 15^50 than both are fine to me. Sure, an inherent 15^50 is worth more than an inscription slot, but I wouldn't really pay that much extra for something that's worth about 2k.

I don't like sundering on swords, though I suppose you could gamble on the chance to get a sundering crit hit with final thrust for a spike kill. But furious ain't that flash, and you could always salvage off the sunder and sell it to others. Which you can't do as easily with furious.

Likewise with a +5 and the +30. If you don't like them, you can salvage them off, but a +5 is hard to sell and even then what's it worth? 500g? A +30 is easy to sell and you get a couple of k at least. As for use, a warrior's got high armour already, and it isn't 4-5 hp less over time that kills me. It's getting spiked the first time I run into a mob. So +30 all the way. And that's not even mentioning that you can use a +30 as a pvp weapon, where you'll face more armour ignoring spike damage than a warrior likes to face. If you're a caster than armour would be preferred.

But if you're using it as a caster, you'd probably go the enchant mod, and keep some cheap green for a weap swap if you want a high health set. So not all that valuable, especially since the fell isn't set as a caster weap anyway.

So, I'd say your skin is the most valuable thing out of the two weaps, but his mods are worth more than yours. That's just for me anyway. Hmm, it was a fell right? Cause a brute just isn't as smexxy.

I'm not a weapon collector, so I only buy items that I will actually use. I absolutely agree that I want to buy the skin only and mod to my preference.

However, I think true collectors do want "perfects", so there's always a market for them. Also more casual gamers who don't do a lot of forum or Wiki browsing just accept that what the community defines as "perfect" really is the best setup for all weapons.