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Mister_Abc

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

Planet Earth.

Amazon Basin

Mo/

15 Mar 2008 at 19:56 - 1

Blood spikes - Necros could use armor ignoring damage for quick kills and Soul Reaping with minions to quickly fuel their energy
R-spike - ranged spikes using the survivability and innate energy management of rangers
Heroway - again, combining the survivability of rangers and energy factory of necros to excel
Sytheway - this time, they added even more survivability and took advantage of ranger's expertise to its fullest in a herowayish build.

What do all these builds have in common? Innate survivability and innate energy management. They don't have to sacrifice skills to achieve what others must give up even an elite to achieve. Instead, they sacrifice attribute points, and it's easy to find several skills in a single attribute that fits the team, so what we need to nerf are not the skills, but the attributes.

Nerf the ranger's elemental bonus armor to +15. This way, it will make them more vulnerable to the elementalists and other elemental damage.

Introduce several new skills as nerfs to Soul Reaping and Expertise. First however, we must nerf the two attributes to 1 energy per 2 attributes for Soul Reaping, and 2% per attribute point for Expertise. Then, these skills will ensure the two attributes are not useless.

Soul Master: 0 E, 0 Cast, cannot recharge, Soul reaping. Skill. You gain 0...6(1-12 attribute points) energy whenever a creature dies within spirit range. This skill does not end when you die.

Experienced Expert: 0E, 0 C, cannot recharge, Expertise. Skill. Your non-spell skills' energy costs are decreased by 0...24%. This skill does not end when you die.

This way, these two characters will have to sacrifice a skill slot if they want to take full advantage of their energy management, but they do not have to if they just need some energy.

Let the flaming begin...

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

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R/Mo

15 Mar 2008 at 20:09 - 2

You make many valid points, but there are a few snags

1. "Introducing new skills" isn't going to happen.

2. They tried nerfing Soul Reaping, but PvEers whined so it was changed halfway back. There's really not much they can do without stirring up flame wars.

serod

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

R/

15 Mar 2008 at 20:23 - 3

Good ideias you have there, however that would make pver's cry so loud that it wouldn't last for a couple of weeks

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

15 Mar 2008 at 20:32 - 4

Here's an idea: RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you, stop trying to get our stuff nerfed.

Xebedinct

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

Soviet Jersey

15 Mar 2008 at 20:38 - 5

HA is fubar, leave it as it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Here's an idea: RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO yourself, stop trying to get our stuff nerfed.

fix'd

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing oneself often relieves stupidity.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

16 Mar 2008 at 03:40 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Here's an idea: RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you, stop trying to get our stuff nerfed.

And you call me a griefer lol. Go get your head checked, I think you fell down some stairs too often.

Go back to playing IWAY plz since thats the only thing your good at.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

16 Mar 2008 at 05:45 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Go back to playing IWAY plz since thats the only thing your good at.

It's funny because the only time I ever used IWAY was in Zaishen Challenge. After 1 round against the AI I realized it sucked, wondered what all the big fuss was about, and went back to Shock Axe.

Now. As to your mental disabilities. We don't want them here, so reach around to the back of your computer and remove your ethernet cable. Then grab a pair of scissors and snip it into piece, and don't ever come back to the Internet again. Thank you.

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

A/

16 Mar 2008 at 05:47 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister_Abc

Experienced Expert: 0E, 0 C, cannot recharge, Expertise. Skill. Your non-spell skills' energy costs are decreased by 0...24%. This skill does not end when you die.

i stopped reading after this....

mikeydj99

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

16 Mar 2008 at 05:51 - 9

Wow.....
/not signed

Ha is actually in my opinion is in its best status yet....okay.

heroway. kill tainted and raos....gg..
scytheway. uh...kill spirits. and domerock everything there pressure if god awful

soul reaping....not overpowered at all its part of being a necro... 60 armor FTL and no armor again smiting judges insight FTW

R-Spike....wow....hide behind a wall....Da....GG..you fail obviously.

Blood spike- Uhh....just pressure and Bye Bye.

Any team that runs blood spike is just fame farming anyway...b spike can not HOld halls....youmight get lucky and win.

Learn how to Ha....dont complain about the basic aspects of this game...

sorry about the raging. I just think people like you need to lookback to a point in the game where every team you played was Iway....I have to say..

out of 250 matches.

about 5 are zerg
and about 50 are sway.

the rest are balanced or some kind of spike

Thats f***ing pro.

<----So Happy with ha at the moment.

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

16 Mar 2008 at 08:01 - 10

Why must PvPers always ruin our PvE fun

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

16 Mar 2008 at 08:05 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Why must PvPers always ruin our PvE fun

ye... bring back Olias plz

Prof Of Black

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

@ Sensation Black

Death is Energy [DIE] ~ Raining fame alliance

16 Mar 2008 at 09:25 - 12

Look, bspike fails if they dont spike fast enough.
Rspike, use walls + da gg.
Heroway.. spike ooa down and gg.
Scytheway.. kite + spike down necs + kill spirits + wand trappers.

~Prof.

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

16 Mar 2008 at 13:18 - 13

both classes are fine

stop playing HA if you don't like the way it's played ...

Alexandria

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

Sweden

We Fail [inRL]

P/R

16 Mar 2008 at 14:03 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeydj99

R-Spike....wow....hide behind a wall....Da....GG..you fail obviously.

I LOLed at this. Not every build has DA in it, and not every map has walls that you can hide behind. Fetid River much?

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Guy In Real Life [GIRL]

W/E

16 Mar 2008 at 15:04 - 15

Why is the mindset "to fix HA, we must nerf what there is" ? Other skills must be buffed if balance is to be brought to the force.

-Deviance-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Florida

Save The Dolyak [NUKE]

W/R

16 Mar 2008 at 15:18 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

Why is the mindset "to fix HA, we must nerf what there is" ? Other skills must be buffed if balance is to be brought to the force.

true story
tombs is at a pretty balanced playstyle right at this moment. Although there is the hexways, heroways, and bspikes most of them fail VERY hardly. No nerfs are necessary whatsoever.
But buffs, to the common "balance" play, even though its a never before occured incident in GW, would be the right way to go IMO.

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

16 Mar 2008 at 15:27 - 17

We can just nerf everything and make it a game of patience.

"Oh no! The spike did 5 damage to me! Quick! Use your 2 health healing!"

Tearz1993

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

Relentless Aggressors [rA]

R/Mo

16 Mar 2008 at 15:35 - 18

HA is fine right now, but on a side note i think its really funny that balanced builds include Dervishes or sins right now (at least the majority of them)

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

16 Mar 2008 at 18:11 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

Why is the mindset "to fix HA, we must nerf what there is" ? Other skills must be buffed if balance is to be brought to the force.

Ok, so our options are, nerf 1% of skills in GW, or buff 40% of them? Which is less work?

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

16 Mar 2008 at 18:14 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister_Abc

Nerf the ranger's elemental bonus armor to +15. This way, it will make them more vulnerable to the elementalists and other elemental damage.

Real damage comes from melee.

Quote:

Experienced Expert: 0E, 0 C, cannot recharge, Expertise. Skill. Your non-spell skills' energy costs are decreased by 0...24%. This skill does not end when you die.

Lmao.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

16 Mar 2008 at 18:50 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Ok, so our options are, nerf 1% of skills in GW, or buff 40% of them? Which is less work?

Back those statistics up, please, because y'know that 81.99% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

mikeydj99

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

16 Mar 2008 at 19:45 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexandria

I LOLed at this. Not every build has DA in it, and not every map has walls that you can hide behind. Fetid River much?

i just used da as an example and gg fetid has 2 bridges and 2 priest shrines.... plenty of walls.

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

16 Mar 2008 at 19:47 - 23

instead of nerfing or buffing.... why don't they just change the damn maps.... even set it back to 6man groups for limited time.... anything to spice up ha....

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD REMOVE THE CAPTURE POINTS MAP BEFORE GOLDEN GATES.... that is more annoying than anything...

mikeydj99

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

16 Mar 2008 at 19:50 - 24

agreed Forgotten and antechamber have got to go....and in my opinion relic running in halls has to go too... Halls should be all Koth actually...thats the only game that requires skill to win. Relic and cap points any sway could win with luck not skill. 6 man Ha=nah 8 man makes it better. 6v6 was lame.

Sol Deathgard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Shadows of the Dragon

W/N

16 Mar 2008 at 20:20 - 25

Better idea, become a better player & you can beat these builds easily.

-Deviance-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Florida

Save The Dolyak [NUKE]

W/R

16 Mar 2008 at 20:20 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeydj99

i just used da as an example and gg fetid has 2 bridges and 2 priest shrines.... plenty of walls.

like really have you EVER came against an rspike and was like "alright guys lets all hide behind this priest shrine, bring the ghost back here too plz"

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

16 Mar 2008 at 20:34 - 27

ha has become to boring with its 1v1s.... rock paper scissors builds really annoying... and dumb way to go to halls.

mikeydj99

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

17 Mar 2008 at 02:34 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Deviance-

like really have you EVER came against an rspike and was like "alright guys lets all hide behind this priest shrine, bring the ghost back here too plz"

no but i have said backline and casters get your ass on the bridge behind the wall.