PvP guilds vs PvE guilds: whats the major difference?
Tarn Blackhail
i know the obvious difference, pve is not pvp, pvp is player vs player, BUT... what is the difference in what pve guilds look for and pvp. which is a better guild to join, and what types of players look for which... i dont see a reason to isolate yourself from one or the other by joining a strictly pvp, or pve guild... so what is the benefeit in joining any pvp or pve only guild, unless it is to find others with that intrest, in which case okay, that makes sence. the only guild i can see truly making sence is a pvp only guild, but if youre pve as well as pvp, what is the benefeit of some of the guilds that are all pve, with little or no pvp experience...?
English Warrior
most of the time id say they both do both just they do one more than the other.
Yoshikuni Mahsu
PvE guilds do good in PvE
PvP guilds do good in PvP AND PvE.
Yeah, I went there...
PvP guilds do good in PvP AND PvE.
Yeah, I went there...
Tearz1993
PvE guilds think they're good because they can beat the computer with ursan
PvP guilds just think everyone else is bad
Depends which you like more
PvP guilds just think everyone else is bad
Depends which you like more
Tarn Blackhail
lol. okay, so what if theres a guild thats not concidered PVP or PVE focuses, what if they just focus on teamwork and player skill and improvement, encouraging members to be the best at whatever they like to do, and helping members to improve their skills, characters, ect.... what are they concidered...?
Richardt
Tarn, I would say PvX. Most guilds dabble in the PvX, but in order to do high end PvP or PvE the guild usually focuses on one.
The big difference between the two types of guilds are primarily reflected in the differences between PvP and PvE.
But both types share the same common ground-both are about finding the right builds for the situation.
The big difference between the two types of guilds are primarily reflected in the differences between PvP and PvE.
But both types share the same common ground-both are about finding the right builds for the situation.
Tearz1993
PvX is the best if you don't want to become high-end in a specific area because it lets people experiment with what they like in GW.
Tarn Blackhail
okay, thanks. thats interesting to know. Where is a forum on here that PVX guilds can advertise? or are they just supposed to use ither of the two forums provided (pvp/pve guild recruiting).?
Yoshikuni Mahsu
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But both types share the same common ground-both are about finding the right builds for the situation.
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Joe Fierce
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Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu
PvE guilds do good in PvE
PvP guilds do good in PvP AND PvE. Yeah, I went there... |
-joe_fierce
p.s. this is not an attack on pvp or pvpers but on pvp elitism, so, before you go all ignorant and page spam me please consider the deeper meaning in my statements.
Tarn Blackhail
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce
you just made me have an lol'gasm, i'm primarily a pvx type player and i excell rather well in both general fields, ask me friends, but i couldn't even begin to count the numerous times that i've had pvp guildies request me to aide them on a pve mission or elite and they are completely ignorant to it as if i'm screaming at them in chinese algebra. so yes, there are pvpers that are good at pve i'll give you that, but a majority of peeps who play primarily pvp don't know whats going on in pve whatsoever. this is not an attack on your posting itself but a simply statement made in response to the generalized ignorance that is elitist d*****bags that generally overrun pvp, not saying that you are one, but thats just generally the way it is.
-joe_fierce p.s. this is not an attack on pvp or pvpers but on pvp elitism, so, before you go all ignorant and page spam me please consider the deeper meaning in my statements. |
JR
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you just made me have an lol'gasm, i'm primarily a pvx type player and i excell rather well in both general fields, ask me friends, but i couldn't even begin to count the numerous times that i've had pvp guildies request me to aide them on a pve mission or elite and they are completely ignorant to it as if i'm screaming at them in chinese algebra. so yes, there are pvpers that are good at pve i'll give you that, but a majority of peeps who play primarily pvp don't know whats going on in pve whatsoever. this is not an attack on your posting itself but a simply statement made in response to the generalized ignorance that is elitist d*****bags that generally overrun pvp, not saying that you are one, but thats just generally the way it is.
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Tosha
I have been in both... been in a PvE guild for 18 months, but switched to a PvP one when I wanted to get into PvP... I would say the main difference is that PvE guilds have more time to chat 
(i mean on guildchat, not ventrilo or TS) Though I have found a fairly chatty PvP guild now, there is still a lot less chatting going on. But you cannot stand still in PvP to type a few sentences like you can in PvE.
Go for the PvX alliance, with PvE and PvP guilds, always a lot of fun
(i mean on guildchat, not ventrilo or TS) Though I have found a fairly chatty PvP guild now, there is still a lot less chatting going on. But you cannot stand still in PvP to type a few sentences like you can in PvE. Go for the PvX alliance, with PvE and PvP guilds, always a lot of fun
Tarn Blackhail
thats where alliances come into play. you could integrate many different types of guilds into one alliance in order to stay in your guild youre currently in, and just participate in the activities of the other guilds' in youre alliance to fit youre gaming needs of the day, while having fun and aiding others in their quest for victory.
Joe Fierce
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There is a difference between needing help because you don't know what to do, and needing help because you are bad at the game.
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Yoshikuni Mahsu
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce
you just made me have an lol'gasm, i'm primarily a pvx type player and i excell rather well in both general fields, ask me friends, but i couldn't even begin to count the numerous times that i've had pvp guildies request me to aide them on a pve mission or elite and they are completely ignorant to it as if i'm screaming at them in chinese algebra. so yes, there are pvpers that are good at pve i'll give you that, but a majority of peeps who play primarily pvp don't know whats going on in pve whatsoever. this is not an attack on your posting itself but a simply statement made in response to the generalized ignorance that is elitist d*****bags that generally overrun pvp, not saying that you are one, but thats just generally the way it is.
-joe_fierce p.s. this is not an attack on pvp or pvpers but on pvp elitism, so, before you go all ignorant and page spam me please consider the deeper meaning in my statements. |
I forgot there are guilds, as in, ab (cough), ra, ta, ha, HB guilds, that are considered pvp guilds.
Let me clarify my definition of "pvp" guild:
GvG Guild.
(serious) GvG Guilds are good at PvP (obviously) and PvE aswell. The only time such a situation as you described could be true is when a guild is simply unfamiliar with the area (very rare with wiki in existance), or when a guild is just playing casually.
Granted, sometimes a guild member just plain out sucks shit, or is just very bad with a certain area/situation... obviously this is rare and a person-by-person case, not something to judge the whole guild on.
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There is a difference between needing help because you don't know what to do, and needing help because you are bad at the game.
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llsektorll
note: i am not considering AB guilds as they are the both pvp and pve.
PvP guilds:
* have voicechat server (usually ventrilo because teamspeak by many is still considered to be the preferred choice of what pvpers call "pve noobs")
* players must be active and log on atleast for 3hrs daily.
* must already have a experience in pvp
* survival of the fittest is the best explanation for this guild model, as the weaker players are kicked out.
* pvpers are generally considered to be the more experienced players because most have done quite a bit in pve and now need something more rewarding for their time. As such, the players in pvp guilds expect the guild to work together to get the player fame/champ pts etc.
PvE
* generally the guilds are large 30-100
* community is built through helping each other out rather than a common goal of fame found in pvp based guilds. (not HA fame but fame in general)
* success is measured by pve titles and money/items of value.
* sense of friendship and unity towards the guild is very important.
* voice chat is not required by it helps
* as many in pve guilds maybe new to the game, the only thing they want out of the guild is help; whether it be to answer questions or completing a quest/mission.
PvP guilds:
* have voicechat server (usually ventrilo because teamspeak by many is still considered to be the preferred choice of what pvpers call "pve noobs")
* players must be active and log on atleast for 3hrs daily.
* must already have a experience in pvp
* survival of the fittest is the best explanation for this guild model, as the weaker players are kicked out.
* pvpers are generally considered to be the more experienced players because most have done quite a bit in pve and now need something more rewarding for their time. As such, the players in pvp guilds expect the guild to work together to get the player fame/champ pts etc.
PvE
* generally the guilds are large 30-100
* community is built through helping each other out rather than a common goal of fame found in pvp based guilds. (not HA fame but fame in general)
* success is measured by pve titles and money/items of value.
* sense of friendship and unity towards the guild is very important.
* voice chat is not required by it helps
* as many in pve guilds maybe new to the game, the only thing they want out of the guild is help; whether it be to answer questions or completing a quest/mission.
Leetwalrushunter
PvP players generally have a higher skill level than PvE players. How many PvE players can reflex 3/4 casting times which most PvP'ers can. Or at least most of them. How many PvE players can QuarterKnock. The list goes on and on
FoxBat
I think Sektor's list is a pretty balanced overview.
Non-competitive guilds by definition have priorities other than being better than everyone else. High-performance PvP guilds slough those off for those for the sake of competition. The two generally don't coincide for these reasons.
Non-competitive guilds by definition have priorities other than being better than everyone else. High-performance PvP guilds slough those off for those for the sake of competition. The two generally don't coincide for these reasons.
Joe Fierce
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Oh right-
I forgot there are guilds, as in, ab (cough), ra, ta, ha, HB guilds, that are considered pvp guilds. Let me clarify my definition of "pvp" guild: GvG Guild. (serious) GvG Guilds are good at PvP (obviously) and PvE aswell. The only time such a situation as you described could be true is when a guild is simply unfamiliar with the area (very rare with wiki in existance), or when a guild is just playing casually. Granted, sometimes a guild member just plain out sucks shit, or is just very bad with a certain area/situation... obviously this is rare and a person-by-person case, not something to judge the whole guild on. Quoted for emphasis and correctness. |
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PvE guilds do good in PvE
PvP guilds do good in PvP AND PvE. Yeah, I went there... |
Richardt
But both types share the same common ground-both are about finding the right builds for the situation
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so before you tell me how i can and cannot judge a guild playstyle take into consideration your own postings otherwise this thread turns into exactly what it did, a small little fought arguement and a great big effing case of:
Trub
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angmar_nite
All the pve guild bashers here have clearly never seen SMS alliance...
samcobra
Ironically, if you're in a PvE guild whose focus is 'to get better together' and 'help each other improve,' you'll probably be just as bad at the game when you leave the game as when you entered. I don't think PvE really focuses on teaching you player skill. Maybe some basic stuff like aggro management but in all honesty, you begin to take the full extent of information out of this game and maximize efficiency, etc (actually get better at the game) when you start to PvP
Joe Fierce
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All the pve guild bashers here have clearly never seen SMS alliance...
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Racthoh
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I don't think PvE really focuses on teaching you player skill.
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Kaelyn the Dove
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Oh right- I forgot there are guilds, as in, ab (cough), ra, ta, ha, HB guilds, that are considered pvp guilds. Let me clarify my definition of "pvp" guild: GvG Guild. |
Ama Seraphim
actually depending on the guild you get into is going to depend if you get officers/leader/members that are willing to help you learn what the heck you are doing wrong in the first place.. be it from builds, armor, runes/insignias, what to attack and when and how to shut others down.. I will agree that a PvX guild is a good balance for anyone.. teaches them a little something about all aspects of the game.. i don't care if a person is the BEST at PVE/PVP.. if they can't understand simple statments.. like don't run in there.. attack what is called... then it is 'time out' to teach the player some 'skills'.
And Tarin.. there are alot of guilds out there that do PvX... word of advice.. see if you can join any on a probationary system... *example, mine has a two week time to see if everyone meshes, if not.. no hard feelings, but while that person is in the guild we will do our best to make the player feel welcome and to help in anyway. be it from missions, quests to even helping someone that just wants to get their feet wet on the pvp side and needs ppl to practice against.*
and seriously boys/girls.. why does everyone have to get their panties in a bunch when it comes to PvP/PvE?.. it is a freaking game.. get over it.. have fun.. everyone plays it on one side or the other or even both, because they enjoy it.. and fyi, elitism has found its way into both aspects of the game..
And Tarin.. there are alot of guilds out there that do PvX... word of advice.. see if you can join any on a probationary system... *example, mine has a two week time to see if everyone meshes, if not.. no hard feelings, but while that person is in the guild we will do our best to make the player feel welcome and to help in anyway. be it from missions, quests to even helping someone that just wants to get their feet wet on the pvp side and needs ppl to practice against.*
and seriously boys/girls.. why does everyone have to get their panties in a bunch when it comes to PvP/PvE?.. it is a freaking game.. get over it.. have fun.. everyone plays it on one side or the other or even both, because they enjoy it.. and fyi, elitism has found its way into both aspects of the game..
Joe Fierce
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It doesn't, and no one wants to learn or get better. It's about looking pretty and how to look pretty in the quickest amount of time.
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Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce
some pve only people are ignorant, but pvp only people can be just as bad.
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Not surprisingly some of the best players at PvE I've had/have in my guild have had trims, impressive champ/hero/gladiator titles, and a resume of previous PvP guilds.
Joe Fierce
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
I've seen very few PvPers who were outright terrible at PvE. Because they generally know the game and how it works they know how to not be bad, unlike PvErs who either pick up bad habits from PuGs or H/H everything which doesn't allow them to learn very much at all. If you PvP you use the best skills, in PvE pretty much anything works for a good majority of the game. Constant wipes until you're at 60 DP doesn't teach a PvEr which skills are good and which are bad, nor does having a monk with Rebirth pull bodies out of a mob that overwhelmed them. PvP... well, if you run some kind of gimmick then you're going to be pretty bad at PvE too.
Not surprisingly some of the best players at PvE I've had/have in my guild have had trims, impressive champ/hero/gladiator titles, and a resume of previous PvP guilds. |