So, today on a CoF run (yeah, the most retarded ppl do those huh) there was a derv running around with 13 scythe, 12 earth and 11 or something wind prayers. I didn't really realize what he said until i realized, he LEFT OUT THE MYSTICISM.
I'm wondering if this is a new fad, if this is what i think it is- stupid and a waste of the derv primary, or the foundation of a legitamate build?
The New Joke?-0 Mysticism Dervs
shoyon456
joshuarodger
either he had no idea how to play a derv and what sort of benefits you get from mysticism or he was using a build with no enchants. either way i don't see how it could have been a very good build.
Syco Masato
Eh, I use a build with 0 mysticism, and guess what, I have less energy problems than I did with any build I've ever used that spent points in mysticism. And yes, I use enchants.
Marverick
I often don't use Mysticism at all such as a Conjure Lightning build with Wind Prayers for Whirling Charge and Harrier's Haste. Well, actually, I have 3 points into Mysticism.
However, seeing as he has Earth Prayers, I would think he's probably a new fad.
However, seeing as he has Earth Prayers, I would think he's probably a new fad.
masta_yoda
mysticism is bad, waste of atts if u arent using enchants based on mysticism or heavy enchant builds or smiter, i usually put 3-6 in mystic if i aint using mysticism skills
Div
Why he needs that much earth/wind and doesn't use a mysticism elite is beyond me.
blockkiller
- mysticism is only good if u have an mysticism elite or some important mysticism skills, if i use vow of strength i don't use it because it's a waste of points
Sirius-NZ
Then what IAS do you use? Wind prayers?
~ Dan ~
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- mysticism is only good if u have an mysticism elite or some important mysticism skills, if i use vow of strength i don't use it because it's a waste of points
All the avatars are in Mysticism..
Still, if you're taking vow of strength, pretty much your whole bar will be enchantments so why wouldn't you spec mysticism?
Still, if you're taking vow of strength, pretty much your whole bar will be enchantments so why wouldn't you spec mysticism?
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by shoyon456
I'm wondering if this is a new fad, if this is what i think it is- stupid and a waste of the derv primary, or the foundation of a legitamate build?
An incredibly large % of PvEers are horrible at the game.
Turtle222
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An incredibly large % of PvEers are horrible at the game.
correct,
GW is a game where you have to think about what you bring in order to win. Unfortunately, PvE is that easy
GW is a game where you have to think about what you bring in order to win. Unfortunately, PvE is that easy
Marverick
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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
Then what IAS do you use? Wind prayers?
Heket's Rampage is generally the best IAS for Vow of Strength.
MasterSasori
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
An incredibly large % of PvEers are horrible at the game.
QFT QFT QFT
The intelligence of the average goldfish is higher compared to a good percent of GW PvEers (and ABers).
The intelligence of the average goldfish is higher compared to a good percent of GW PvEers (and ABers).
Sirius-NZ
Actually. Yeah, I should have remembered that considering I used it on my VoS build. >.>
Mr Pvper
u should have atleast 3 mythism in prettymuch all cases as a derv, as there is almost awlays a leftover 2 -3 points of attribute for u to use. Otherwise ur kinda stupid for not utilizing all ur attributes
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Mr Pvper
u should have atleast 3 mythism in prettymuch all cases as a derv, as there is almost awlays a leftover 2 -3 points of attribute for u to use. Otherwise ur kinda stupid for not utilizing all ur attributes
You should have atleast 9.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by shoyon456
I'm wondering if this is a new fad, if this is what i think it is- stupid and a waste of the derv primary, or the foundation of a legitamate build?
Only thing I can think of is someone using [wiki]Zealous Vow[/wiki] as energy management...but, I fail to see how it's better than a build that uses mysticism.
Toa Hahli
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Originally Posted by MasterSasori
QFT QFT QFT
The intelligence of the average goldfish is higher compared to a good percent of GW PvEers (and ABers). And attitudes like that are why most PvE'ers dont PvP. People like you are the main reason i quit PvP.
Anyways, unless you run with Avatars I dont see the point of Mysticism.
The intelligence of the average goldfish is higher compared to a good percent of GW PvEers (and ABers). And attitudes like that are why most PvE'ers dont PvP. People like you are the main reason i quit PvP.
Anyways, unless you run with Avatars I dont see the point of Mysticism.
Sirius-NZ
Energy return. The fact that others' enchantments (e.g. prot monks) also trigger it makes it even better.
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
Energy return. The fact that others' enchantments (e.g. prot monks) also trigger it makes it even better.
Exactly. That is the main reason I put at least 9 into it. With a prot monk and your own enchantments, you should have enchantments ending every few seconds during battle, giving you a good amount of energy (and the health helps a little).
Luminarus
Its like a 0 expertise ranger, a 0 df monk, a 0 fast casting mesmer, a 0 sr necro etc etc etc... I believe the term is noob, but it could also be brainless, goldfish, & retard
Dave-o
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look a goldfish!
WHERE?
but yeah, mysticism is awesome for energy management, especialy in enchantment heavy builds (wich you'll mostly have as a dervish, if not, you waste ze dervish).
but yeah, mysticism is awesome for energy management, especialy in enchantment heavy builds (wich you'll mostly have as a dervish, if not, you waste ze dervish).
Toa Hahli
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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
Energy return. The fact that others' enchantments (e.g. prot monks) also trigger it makes it even better.
Its an ok Energy Return, but i usually use a Zealous Scythe on my Derv. So i dont really use Mysticism.
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Toa Hahli
Its an ok Energy Return, but i usually use a Zealous Scythe on my Derv. So i dont really use Mysticism.
Use both, durrrr
Toa Hahli
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Use both, durrrr
Why..? Zealous gives more return than Mysticism does.
~ Dan ~
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Why..? Zealous gives more return than Mysticism does.
Because zealous and mysticism gives more energy than zealous. And if you're not speccing mysticism for the awesome skills it has, your build is already bad.
Toa Hahli
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Because zealous and mysticism gives more energy than zealous. And if you're not speccing mysticism for the awesome skills it has, your build is already bad.
Way to pre-judge there. Makes you look stupid. Just because people dont like what you use and you dont like what they use doesnt make it bad. Not everyone is a Enchant/Mystic Regen Noob. I do fine without Mysticism.
Zahr Dalsk
Lack of mysticism on a Dervish is just stupid; it's like not taking Soul Reaping as a Necromancer.
Amy Awien
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Originally Posted by MasterSasori
Notice that I stated SOME in the description.
No, you didn't, you said a 'good percentage', there's a difference. You'll get a better response if you refrain from that kind of talk, not even to about 'some', it serves no purpose anyway.
joshuarodger
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Originally Posted by Toa Hahli
Way to pre-judge there. Makes you look stupid. Just because people dont like what you use and you dont like what they use doesnt make it bad. Not everyone is a Enchant/Mystic Regen Noob. I do fine without Mysticism.
out of curiousity, what build are you running? personally i can't think of a good build that doesn't use mysticism, but i'm willing to give anything a shot if it works. There are places where enchants aren't really the best options and i would like to try something new to spice things up a bit.
Yuhe Ji
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Originally Posted by Toa Hahli
Way to pre-judge there. Makes you look stupid. Just because people dont like what you use and you dont like what they use doesnt make it bad. Not everyone is a Enchant/Mystic Regen Noob. I do fine without Mysticism.
BTW, Mystic Regen is under Earth Prayers. All dervs must be running some enchantments. If they aren't, then they probably aren't using a scythe (or else they would die pretty quickly). Those enchantments take energy, but mysticism can give some of that energy back.
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Toa Hahli
Way to pre-judge there. Makes you look stupid. Just because people dont like what you use and you dont like what they use doesnt make it bad. Not everyone is a Enchant/Mystic Regen Noob. I do fine without Mysticism.
So that translates to:
- You don't use any mysticism skills, in particular no avatars. - You have way worse e-management than a normal dervish (unless running zealous vow, for some random reason). - You don't use Aura Of Holy Might or Heart Of Fury. I'm sure i missed some other stuff. There is one word for you. Fail.
moko
guess some people have yet to grow up, especially regarding a PvE/PvP fight.
i don't think i need to hint you guys anymore, so stop with what you've been doing or another topic goes down.
Toa Hahli
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Originally Posted by moko
guess some people have yet to grow up, especially regarding a PvE/PvP fight.
i don't think i need to hint you guys anymore, so stop with what you've been doing or another topic goes down. Im not arguing over which is better, ive said before. Neither is superior to another. Only problem are Egos. All i say is Mysticism is basically useless when you can get back x2 the energy with a Zealous before even 1 enchant wears off. Then i get bombarded that im a noob. How this site is 'Elite' by guild wars standards is beyond me. Splitisoda
Only reason I would see any point with 0 mysticism, is if you say had 12 SM, and 12 wind prayers for
[skill]Natural Healing[/skill][skill]Pious Restoration[/skill][skill]Featherfoot Grace[/skill]
Coloneh
if i wanted to play without a primary attribute i would just play mesmer. at least they look cool
Shuuda
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if i wanted to play without a primary attribute i would just play mesmer. at least they look cool
Fast Casting is actually important in PvP...... Diversion without it would be unplayable after all. So please, enough with your not having a clue.
Sirius-NZ
If you have 5 enchantments on you (and I'm talking about enchantments other people cast on you, not you on yourself), and 12 mysticism, the energy gain you're going to get is anything but useless. It also doesn't rely on finding groups of enemies for the energy gain to work; zealous still more than breaks even against single targets, but it needs two or three to really shine... and a lot of the time, targets don't stick together. (More often in PvP than PvE, of course.)
Div
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Originally Posted by moko
guess some people have yet to grow up, especially regarding a PvE/PvP fight.
i don't think i need to hint you guys anymore, so stop with what you've been doing or another topic goes down. Another topic's gone down. |
