freedom and equality? it's NO!

chinagw

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

Please answer my qustion: HOW did I sell items for cash? WHAT did I sell? With WHOM? Please explain with evidence.
I'm just an ordinary GW player. I accumulated my in-game money and items little by little on my own. You may call this farming, but everyone may farm in GW and I did it for my own pleasure or gave some of the items to my friends. That's it! No illegal trading whatsoever. Just because I come from China doesn't mean I have to be one of those stereotypical gold farmers. Did I get banned because of your prejudice against us? Is this the so-called "freedom and equality" advocated in America?
Please be responsible for what you said. Again, I want your evidence or my account back. Thank you.

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Hello,

Thank you for contacting us about your Guild Wars game account.

Your account was permanently closed because you engaged in the sale of in-game items for cash or other items with real world value, or you engaged in gathering items to be sold for cash or other items with real world value. Both actions are against our User Agreement, where Section 7 states, "You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so."

Protests regarding the termination of your Guild Wars game account will not be addressed or entertained. We will not accept appeals in cases such as this because of the depth of the analysis prior to the block. We regret the necessity of terminating any game account, but we will continue to take all necessary actions to protect the Guild Wars community and to assure that players are abiding by our User Agreement.

Please keep in mind that Guild Wars is a global game with hundreds of thousands of players. This means that standards of behavior must be upheld. For your convenience, you can obtain more information about our rules at the addresses listed below.

- User Agreement: http://www.guildwars.com/support//le...-agreement.php

- Rules of Conduct: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

- Conduct Breaches & Outcomes: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...d_outcomes.php

Regards,

The Guild Wars Support Team

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我被封号后,向gm提供求助,提供了资料后,gm就发给我这样的结果,虽然有心理准备但听到这样的结果仍然 心寒,永久封号,这就是平等自由的美国?笑死人了,说中国没有人权?我看是美国的政治企图以及地方保护主义 吧!

Kapral

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

[LOD]

R/

So?

12tears

Ancient Menace

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

oh man this is going to be awesome. sign me up for the afterparty

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

Did you or did you not sell your items for cash?

If you did go away and dont come back to GW ever again.

Isison

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

P/Mo

I demand cat pictures NOW!

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

awwww, you shouldn't have ________.

(feel free to fill in the blank with one of these: "bought GW", "sold in-game gold", "posted on this forum", "broke EULA", "helped your friends with their gold-selling business you don't know about")

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

Ouch...either you got hacked, or you just got busted. Either way, this thread is gonna end in a lock...

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

In before racism, trolling, and self-righteous anger

RedNova88

RedNova88

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Behind you!

W/

It is possible Anet has made a mistake but it's still very unlikely. You had to have done something wrong for them to close your account permanently, why would they go out of their way to ban someone just for being Chinese.

There's nothing any of us can really do but maybe someone will chime in with something intelligent to say about this matter.

Lawrence Chang

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

United States

[SOHE]

W/

The fact that A-net provide no hard evidence is pretty bull if you ask me. What do they got to lose anyways.

Also I don't see why you can make money off this game from all your hard work. Anet pretty much ripped people off with Eotn and the BMP with selling a bundled re-skin of existing games...

Oofus

Oofus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Cold Hard [CASH]

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

When he says in his OP and message to anet that he gave some of his items to friends, that doesnt specify if it was for free or for cash. Im guessing it was for cash, but he is expecting anet to be able to proove this or give him his account back.

rotielover

rotielover

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/Mo

time for cats!

Accursed

Accursed

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

Stop crying and suck it up...

Garreth MacLeod

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

If you honestly didn't do anything to violate the EULA, keep working with Anet support using their support system. It's the only way you will be able to get your account back. That first response you got is an automated response. If there's a support ticket open, use that one to communicate with them instead of opening a new one.

Darksun

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang
The fact that A-net provide no hard evidence is pretty bull if you ask me.
And what "hard evidence" are you suggesting they provide? Images so preaople can QQ "shopped! shopped! I was never there!"
dates & times so people can QQ "I wasn't playing then!"

It's all your word against theirs. They just have more credibility.

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

D/

I find it funny how many people don't find this serious at all. There is a time for cat pictures, along for being immature, and funny, and this is not the time. If the OP didn't sell gold, or helped someone sell gold for real world cash, and PlayNC can't provide hard evidence that he did, then wtf.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
When he says in his OP and message to anet that he gave some of his items to friends, that doesnt specify if it was for free or for cash. Im guessing it was for cash, but he is expecting anet to be able to proove this or give him his account back.
I don't think it's that simple. I mean, Anet has no way to know whether you get paid later or not after giving an item to your friend.

It would be more likely if.-

-the "friend" in question is known to be a gold-seller (or has a suspicious behavior of transfering large amount of gold to some random strangers for so many times, all the while remake his characters only for this purpose).

-the "friend" in question is known to assist a gold-seller by helping farming and selling items for gold (and then use that gold in above manner). So, if you keep giving this "friend" some items over and over you're likely to be considered a part of this gold-selling business too.

Just my guess.

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

To the OP:

What do you do on Guild Wars? Maybe explaining what you do on a regular basis can let us understand the situation. It could very well be you had a friend on your friends list who dealt with "gold for cash" things and ANet assumed you were working together. Also, are you aware that botting is also a serious offense? All you see to do is complain and now you've been hit hard from them without serious evidence or reasoning. In fact, how do we know you don't plan to buy another copy of GW right now?

If you plan to complain, give us a reason why we should believe you. I don't care if you're white, black, asian or the cousin to a japanese eskimo for all we know, but if you're working with, know someone who is, or in any way shape or form related or in conjunction of, the following offensive actions, you're going to get the warning or immediate ban.

One more thing: Why do you even have an account here on the forums? You've barely even used it except to make complaints...

Holly Herro

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Kangaroo-land.

Blades of the Dingo [AUST]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blizzard.
Stop crying and suck it up...
Ok. Just say this happened to you and you hadn't done anything to break the keys.

Would you be annoyed?

Just say your account got hacked some how and you had items/gold being sold and you couldn't stop it/didn't know, would you be annoyed?

Darksun

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey
If the OP didn't sell gold, or helped someone sell gold for real world cash, and PlayNC can't provide hard evidence that he did, then wtf.
And if he did, he's a liar. The problem is that people lie SO MUCH online, that the credibility here is laughable. Might as well put up cat pics to enjoy.

And providing "evidence" is worthless since:
1) if the person doesn't want to admit they did it, it won't change a thing.
2)gives botters & gold sellers cues as to how they pick them out.

Oofus

Oofus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Cold Hard [CASH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey
I find it funny how many people don't find this serious at all. There is a time for cat pictures, along for being immature, and funny, and this is not the time.
I disagree, this is exactly the perfect time. Nobody HERE can do anything about this. Nobody HERE cares. Nobody here can or will do anything other then tell him to take it up with support, which he apparently did. A mod WILL lock this thread because it has no purpose HERE. Therefore.... cat pic thread. Any other comments?

Kapral

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

[LOD]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey
I find it funny how many people don't find this serious at all. There is a time for cat pictures, along for being immature, and funny, and this is not the time. If the OP didn't sell gold, or helped someone sell gold for real world cash, and PlayNC can't provide hard evidence that he did, then wtf.
They have their evidence; they don't need to prove anything to you. Hell they could ban you for no reason at all and you couldn't do shit.

On the other hand

Siirius Black

Siirius Black

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Dragon's Lair

La Legion Del Dragon

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by chinagw
Protests regarding the termination of your Guild Wars game account will not be addressed or entertained. We will not accept appeals in cases such as this because of the depth of the analysis prior to the block.!
It semes that they have all the proof that they need. remember that everything is recorded in the servers.

they can go back and analize the data.

But just the same. Gaile if you are reading this, I would like to suggest for the peace of mind of all the guildwars players that you post some of the procedures that led to the banning of the account from this person.

Not only would this show everyone that they will be caught if they violate the agreement, but that you guys are not doing it just because someone looks suspicius.

thanks

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kapral
They have their evidence; they don't need to prove anything to you. Hell they could ban you for no reason at all and you couldn't do shit.

On the other hand
Well, we all know Anet needs another "zomg we sold 6 million units!" ad soon...

Tachyon

Tachyon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Stoke, England

The Godless [GOD]

W/

xRustyx

xRustyx

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Bermuda Triangle

W/

aiyyo mayne wassup my yellow brotha yo life gon be tough you feel me now cuz life like a roller coaster, you wanna get that green you gon suffer fo it na meen, there go be highs and lows (but fo me it be mostly high cuz im on dat syrup and dro lol), and some rollercoasters got mo' lows than highs, all depends on what rollercoaster you choose you feel me now cuz you choose a rollercoaster with loop the loops you know you def gon get high but you most def gon get low

example be here yo:



while if you choose some baby shit well cuz you know it gon be steady n shit feel me now dawg



yeah mayne so all im sayin is watch out for the popos and if you carryin that fofo you better toss it cuz weapons charge aint no joke

RhanoctJocosa

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

so anet fail

whats new

Akuma

Akuma

IRC W H O R E

Join Date: Feb 2006

Australian Trolling Crew HQ, rightful leader and administration

Yale University [Snow]

W/

Everybody lies.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

Trust no one.

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

The cake is a lie.

xPIMPx

xPIMPx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Uk

Hmmm Defrosted Cat [Poo]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Siirius Black
It semes that they have all the proof that they need. remember that everything is recorded in the servers.

they can go back and analize the data.

But just the same. Gaile if you are reading this, I would like to suggest for the peace of mind of all the guildwars players that you post some of the procedures that led to the banning of the account from this person.

Not only would this show everyone that they will be caught if they violate the agreement, but that you guys are not doing it just because someone looks suspicius.

thanks
I though the same at first but now I think this would be a bad idea. If the person was botting or selling then anet tell him how he got busted, next time when he makes his new acount he'll know what not to do. The chinease godl farmers will learn from their mistakes and OUT SMART GW, which is what we don't, but what I do want is a hot girl friend so then i can start wanting her to sit on me.

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by chinagw
I want your evidence or my account back. Thank you.
Send this to Anet support, no good asking here. Surely they have an obligation to show proof.

Cale Roughstar

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Guy In Real Life [GIRL]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lykan
Surely they have an obligation to show proof.
Not really, they can do whatever the hell they feel like. Think of them as benevolent dictators. They do what they think is best for the community, and try to make life nice, but when it all comes down to it, they are still the dictators.

kartmaster

kartmaster

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kansas

Slayers of Worlds [SoW]

Quote:
Originally Posted by chinagw
Is this the so-called "freedom and equality" advocated in America?
I don't think America runs Anet. COULD be wrong about that though.

IF I am wrong. That means my tax dollars are paying Anet salaries.

IF THAT IS TRUE....

I have some concerns I would like addressed, or I'm voting some asses out of office.

Redfeather1975

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

I've seen some people get banned, but they managed to prove they weren't a gold seller and got their account back. I have no idea how.
The game should have a list at startup of all the things you shouldn't do to be mistaken for a bot.
If you are in a zone full of bots don't stick around, don't use signposts and mouse clicks to move around and don't give or sell items you made from farming in that zone. That's all I can think of.
Doesn't help the OP though.

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

These people ChinaGW are the reason you should never leave your country, because these asshats mutliply by the millions once you hit other lands. Trust me I know, I'm in the thick of it!

Rhedd up there is the only good person.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

A/

this is gunna b good *grabs popcorn and soda*

masta_yoda

masta_yoda

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2007

most hated players in the [game]

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by garethporlest18
These people ChinaGW are the reason you should never leave your country, because these asshats mutliply by the millions once you hit other lands. Trust me I know, I'm in the thick of it!

Rhedd up there is the only good person.
racism...zz .. go RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO ur self dude cause u cant root for shit

MoldyRiceFrenzy

MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

ur "freedom and equality" speech is a lol-considering...china...lol.... anet would not have banned you if there was no reasonable doubt to ban...could be possible that they thought ur acc was another chinese farming acc, like the WoW ones.