Why aren't there bots in Rata Sum?

Charr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/A

During this weekend while I was farming ale and clovers, I couldn't help but to notice just how easy, fast and relatively profitable (especially this weekend) farming Raptor Nestling is.
Now as we all know as soon as such farm is discovered bots from all over the world will appear there and start to abusing it, so my question is: What is different with this farm?

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Oh sure, give them ideas!

j/k - good question, actually. It's not like it's a difficult area to get to, either.

RPGmaniac

RPGmaniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

I think they got scared off by the prospect of that farm crashing your client

jonnieboi05

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

nothing is different... but imo perosally wouldn't ask this question on here... it might "encourage" them to come to rata sum O.0

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

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no bots? more party!

Loco roco

Loco roco

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

Braveheart World Xi [any]

A/

dont they need r6 asuran for the build to work properly?

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

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loco is that a joke?

If a r6 is required I would have been hacking all these days I've been farming prior to reaching r6 Norn.

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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I LOL'D at the fact that when there aren't bots, people post asking where they are.

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

Anet finally made a [decent] bot killer and they are testing it in Rata Sum.

Soon in the outposts near you!!!

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

It's an expansion.
So you need to buy two games.
Not worth it I guess.

RedStar

RedStar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by upier
It's an expansion.
So you need to buy two games.
Not worth it I guess.
Correct me if I am wrong, but generally the bots skills set requires more than 1 campaign.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStar
Correct me if I am wrong, but generally the bots skills set requires more than 1 campaign.
Ohh that's right!
Man I'd make such a bad bot. The first thing that I thought of was BUYING the game. Stealing accounts FTW!

Although weren't the undead outside of Bergen nicely farmable with a C1 only build?

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

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Heh do you think Anet knows about the multi-campaign thing?

Make bots buy multiple accounts and then BAN em good.
Rinse and repeat.

(i know about the IP bans and all but they would just pay the fee to change it i reckon)

Buddhaofwar

Buddhaofwar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

Flying Gophers

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actually, now that you mention it... I've not really seen any bots in GWEN... They are all still in factions and proph (from what I've seen). Maybe they did not think taking the time to somehow procure a GWEN access key was worth the hassle?

Grasping Darkness

Grasping Darkness

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

because anet is watching and bots frequent quiet less populated places to aviod being caught?

Natures Spirt

Natures Spirt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

Canada

Symbol of Pain

Mo/E

its funny that bots arent in Rata Sum cuz they are the place thats making G.O.L.E.M's

Charr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness
because anet is watching and bots frequent quiet less populated places to aviod being caught?
Been to the Great Temple of Balthazar recently?

kooomar

kooomar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

Pow Pow Pow [myau]

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by prism2525
Anet finally made a [decent] bot killer and they are testing it in Rata Sum.

Soon in the outposts near you!!!
Iunno, they actually did something with outpost signs in a recent update AND there are 2 zones that leave Rata sum, AND its big enough that someones name can be grayed out in some spawn points.

These are all the reasons I could guess, not that bots dont know about it, but that they cant set up a macro for it, too many variables in town.

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

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I'd Assume because there too many variables for them to be effective.

ie raptor patrols, those necro dinos outside cave thatrandomly spawn, getting to the cave w/o aro-ing so much that ruric would be laughing, and gettign the right dino's agro'd and then kill them.

good thing there not there...bots freaking suck-.-

X Ice Man X

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

England

Think its the mapping issues with Rata Sum thats stopped them?

If you double click on anything there to try and walk there you run straight into a wall every time. So maybe the bots tried, spent a few days walking into walls and then gave up.

Charr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Talach_Ninneed
I'd Assume because there too many variables for them to be effective.

ie raptor patrols, those necro dinos outside cave thatrandomly spawn, getting to the cave w/o aro-ing so much that ruric would be laughing, and gettign the right dino's agro'd and then kill them.
Not really, Angorodon will ruin one out of 20-30 runs, Raptor patrol can be easily avoided and majority of the foes in the cave consist of three groups of which two can be easily aggroed if you time your enterence in the cave right and then lured toward the third (boss) group.

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charr
Not really, Angorodon will ruin one out of 20-30 runs, Raptor patrol can be easily avoided and majority of the foes in the cave consist of three groups of which two can be easily aggroed if you time your enterence in the cave right and then lured toward the third (boss) group.
Not if your a bot and just running straight to the cave. They wont stop to let the raptor patrol at the start pass.

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

Why ask this question? unless you want answers to farming this area with a bot, I am happy it's all gamers farming this location, Death to all Bots, these gold operators need real JOBS, and people that buy GOLD should be BANNED forever.

Zaris

Zaris

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Netherlands

wasn't there a thread about bots in ra?

maybe the bots are going pvp now

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaris
[T]he bots are going pvp now
Indeed. Pretty soon RA will be 4x4 bots.

truemyths

truemyths

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by X Ice Man X
Think its the mapping issues with Rata Sum thats stopped them?

If you double click on anything there to try and walk there you run straight into a wall every time. So maybe the bots tried, spent a few days walking into walls and then gave up.
I'll bet that's it

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charr
Not really, Angorodon will ruin one out of 20-30 runs, Raptor patrol can be easily avoided and majority of the foes in the cave consist of three groups of which two can be easily aggroed if you time your enterence in the cave right and then lured toward the third (boss) group.

yeah but since the dinos in cave have differant spawns and move around its not as simple as 55. Too many variables for bots imo.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charr
What is different with this farm?
Beats me. It's an obvious candidate for botting. One reason might be that botting as a whole has gone down sharply compared to the 55-farming-of-griffons days. Even the eles in shing jea don't really compare. It seems to me most bots I see now are "hobbyist" bots, basically people using simple scripts for hfff farming and such, not "real" goldseller bots farming for rl cash.

Another factor is that for easiest hm farm of raptor nestlings you need to have completed the game with the account, and aquired a PvE skill. Maybe ANet is sufficiently effective at stopping botters that accounts rarely live that long.

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
One reason might be that botting as a whole has gone down sharply compared to the 55-farming-of-griffons days [...] Another factor is that for easiest hm farm of raptor nestlings you need to have completed the game with the account, and aquired a PvE skill.
Other reasons include:
  • The most common raptor farming build is a suicide build: you hope to make everything explode and collect the loot before Shadow Form ends. This complicates the botting logic.
  • Raptor farming is mainly lucrative for the chance of getting rare items such as Elemental Swords. However, items are not nearly as liquid as gold. Especially in a game like GW with an unnatural economy.
  • As most gold selling happens in US dollars, its sharp decline is making the whole industry non-profitable.
  • GW1 is EOL'd.

EternalTempest

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
Other reasons include:
  • The most common raptor farming build is a suicide build: you hope to make everything explode and collect the loot before Shadow Form ends. This complicates the botting logic.
  • Raptor farming is mainly lucrative for the chance of getting rare items such as Elemental Swords. However, items are not nearly as liquid as gold. Especially in a game like GW with an unnatural economy.
  • As most gold selling happens in US dollars, its sharp decline is making the whole industry non-profitable.
  • GW1 is EOL'd.
Very good points

I want to add the ele builds requires movement like football player to aggro but not get trapped by the raptors (ideal you want ALL around you) and then you have to be keeping 4-5 different buffs which can't be fired off in a static pattern.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
I LOL'D at the fact that when there aren't bots, people post asking where they are.
It is kinda ironic isn't it.


Anyway, my theory? It is because it is in GW:EN. To use GW:EN a bot farmer has to buy two games (presumabely factions for the shadow form A/E farm build and the fast level up) and GW:EN. If the bot gets banned, the farmer loses 2 games instead of just one. It is less profitable because they have to cover the extra investment cost.

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
Other reasons include:[list][*]The most common raptor farming build is a suicide build
Air of Superiority changes all that.........I have been farming raptors from the start and about a week later i removed Fire Attunement for AOS, 99% of the time AOS will recharge Shadow form giving you enough time to pick up your drops and map out, I rarely DIED.