Invinciranger in snowmen's lair (farm NM, HM, chestrun)

Titine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Aube

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After having tried different places to farm as ranger primary, and tried different builds, I have found a way to farm snowmen, in NM or HM. Because you will be using 3 norn skills, this build requieres a high rank in norn title. This build can be used to farm other places where there is no degen and only elemental damages. So far, I have used this build to farm :
- snowmen (NM or HM)
- Icy dragon swords (NM)
- Ice imps in southern shiverpeak

Here I will talk mainly about snowmen, for many reasons :
- They are packed in bigs groups (10-20) which is what you want when you use barrage
- There is no XP gain, very interesting as the build requires you to die
- 3-4 high end chests per run, this is good for chest runners
- Fair amount of gold items
- In HM, different tomes (Mo, P, D)

Ok, now let's look at the enemies we are facing ...
- No disenchant => maintened enchants are good here
- Interrupts, knockdown, daze => spells are not suited here, even 1/4 sec cast ones can fail.
- Cold damage => all snowmen deal cold damage, this is great for us .

Now the build ... First of all, we need to be invicible. Protective spirit may fail because of daze or kd, protective bond is a maintened enchant that is launch at the start, it cannot fail, it cannot be stripped, as long as you have energy. And it reduce dmg to 5% of your maximum hp, this means that if you have less than 40 hp, you take 1 dmg per hit !!! Take a noob armor with only sup runes => you have 105 hp. Add a survivor insigna on legs or arms => you have 110 hp. Now enter the dungeon and die => you have 38 hp. Of course, this assumes your bow do not have +life. Because you will not gain XP, you will always have 38 hp.

You have 38 hp, and lose 1 hp per hit, with 8 @protection, you lose 4 energy per hit. But as you are taking elemental damage, you can use storm chaser. At 16 @wild, it lasts 21 sec with 20 sec reloading, so it can be kept up indefinitely, and it gives you 5 energy per hit !!! It is a stance, it cannot be interrupted.

We have used so far 2 skills, but we need life regen and damage. We are at [email protected] and 16 @ wild, so we can only use one more attribute. We will use balthazar's spirit for even more energy, 2 energy back per hit is good, it allows to finish snowmen 1vs1. Watchfull spirit adds 2 pips of regen, and requieres no attribute points ; with only this you can tank 5-6 snowmens in HM. We need more life regen to tank more snowmen, "feel no pain" gives 5 pips and last 12 sec / 15 sec @10 norn title.

With 3 slots left for the damage, we will be using barrage, it works wonder as snowmen are packed, and it works even if you are dazed. Moreover, it do not kill all snowmen in the same shot => kills 1 per 1 = more drops. The only problem : it does not work if you are KD, so we will use "I am unstoppable". Finally we will add more damage to barrage with another shout : "I am the strongest".

Summary of the build (R/Mo):

Wildness survival : 12 + 1 + 3
Markmanship : 10 + 3
Expertise : 2 + 3
Protection : 8

- Storm chaser
- Barrage
- I am unstoppable
- I am the strongest
- Feel no pain
- Watchfull spirit
- Balthazar's spirit
- Protective bond

Short bow with +5 energy and without +life

Usage:

- Enter the dungeon and die
- Cast Protective bond and balthazar's spirit on yourself
- Aggro the first group with storm chaser
- regain energy and activate : "Feel no pain", "I am unstoppable", Watchfull spirit
- Kill the snowmen with barrage + "I am the strongest"

The run (10-15 min in NM, 15-20 min in HM):

- Kill the first 2 groups, except the glimmering snowman (you can kill him without using barrage, but it slows down the run and add only one kill)
- You can kill the 3 snowmen on the bridge just after the 2 giant snowballs
- You can kill the the first group near the map, only if the second group is far from the first one.
- Kill the 2 groups before the lock
- You can kill the angry snowman, this will give you 1-2 more chests. In NM, no problem, you can then clean the last snowmen group with freezie. In HM, you will gain XP if you kill the angry snowman, you will not be able to kill freezie, but it can still provide 1-2 more chests.

Advices:

- Storm chaser needs 8 energy, be carefull when it blinks.
- You should move during the 3 sec when you do not have "Feel no pain" to dodge some snowballs.

Screenshots :
As I play under linux, there are some glitches. Couldn't take screenshot in english (the game crashed), so these are in french .







Notes :

- I am not a native, my english is perfectible
- One run in HM gave 10-15 event items during lucky weekend
- You should carry a normal salvage kit for white items
- I believe you can drop req7 max inscribable golds in NM (see discussion in other threads, this is my point of view, don't post here if you want to flame this)

distilledwill

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

veeeeerry interesting, ill have to give it a go!

Black Widow

Black Widow

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/Mo

yeh sounds cool

The Daemon Warrior

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Netherlands

The Celestial Fellowship [CeF]

W/

Interesting Indeed. What is the minimum Norn Rank though? (you say it needs to be high, but how high exactly )

EDIT: Wont troll Ungent>Feel no Pain @ 16 WS? (10 regen vs. 5 regen and no need for High Norn Rank)

Titine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Aube

R/

I think r7 is the minimum : Feel no pain lasts 11 sec and gives 4 pips of regen.

Feel no pain has no activation time, it cannot be interrupted by KD's. You cannot use troll onguent without "I m unstoppable", which is up only 2/3 of time.

Splinter Slinger

Splinter Slinger

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

R/

Interesting.. might have a go at this

Titine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Aube

R/

I just tested with armor of salvation, when you use it the icon is bellow the one of protective bond, and it does not work . I think even if you use armor of salvation after protective bond, the damage reduction is applied before protective bond.

Mr.Kotte

Mr.Kotte

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/

Whirling Defense for last boss?
Very good job anyhow - yes indeed.

Titine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Aube

R/

Whirling defense cancel storm chaser, so you wont have energy and will lose protective bond. You can kill the last boss : take the closest rez point, die again, and take a little bit more life. You should be able to be within 30-40 hp with 27 % DP.

A Simple Farmer

A Simple Farmer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

ECTOS

E/

Nice build, very interesting skill set.

Have you tried Dwarven Stability instead of unstoppable, might allow you to drop the WS a bit, and up the Markmanship. While working on a drunkard title :-)

again, nice build.

Mr.Kotte

Mr.Kotte

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by A Simple Farmer
Nice build, very interesting skill set.

Have you tried Dwarven Stability instead of unstoppable, might allow you to drop the WS a bit, and up the Markmanship. While working on a drunkard title :-)

again, nice build. You still need minimum 14 WS, so I doubt its gonna make much of a diffrence - a good idea though.
Also, I havnt been on my ranger for ages, so it is very likely that Barrage got buffed - otherwise barrage shouldnt give you more then like +3 dmg per arrow, which is barely anything.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

Nice idea - well thought out, and you explained it well.

However, I've just been trying this and I keep dying at the first mob. After my first death I have 33 max health. I go back with all the enchantments up, and I am hitting Feel no Pain, Storm Chaser, and "I am Unstoppable!" as soon as they recharge. I am rank 10 Norn.

This goes OK for a while, I am barraging with "I am the Strongest!", I kill a few snowmen. But after a minute or so I die very suddenly.

What am I doing wrong? Maybe my energy is hitting zero and I am losing protective bond? (too slow hitting Storm Chaser one time?)

Also, even while I am alive, I am taking a long time to kill anything (hard mode). Barrage alone doesn't do that much damage... and "I am the strongest!" only gives me 8 shots of +dmg, which are almost all used in a single Barrage, then it's a 20sec recharge...

Edit:
Perhaps my problem is, I should pay attention to this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titine
Advices:
- Storm chaser needs 8 energy, be carefull when it blinks.
- You should move during the 3 sec when you do not have "Feel no pain" to dodge some snowballs. I'll try again later.

Titine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Aube

R/

It took me a few hours to have the 20 sec timing in mind to activate storm chaser at the right time. I have died 20-30 times before being able to reach freezie in NM .

For barrage, it does a fair amount of damage (average 30-40 dmg per arrow without i am the strongest), and if you pack the snowmen right, you can clean a wave in 30 sec in NM and 1 min in HM. I like I am the strongest because it become really usefull with 1-2 snowmen left. You can activate it while running, by the time you reach the next snowmen wave, it should be reloaded.

You could replace this shout with the ebon ward (+15 dmg / shoot), however you are frequently dazed ...

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

Still haven't got the routine down yet, but I'm having better luck with Ebon Battle Standard of Honor and Ignite Arrows. Ignite Arrows hits all adjacent (like Splinter Weapon used to! Yay!)... and the AoE damage is boosted by the Battle Standard.

Maybe Barrage and "I am the Strongest!" is better, but until I get the Storm Chaser + Feel no pain + "I am unstoppable!" routine down... Ignite + Standard of Honor are buying me time to think (just use autoattacks, instead spamming Barrage). I think it's saving me energy too. And yeah, no Elite skill...!

I've got past the first few mobs at least, I'll keep trying.

XxSanctusxX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

Nl

LF HighEndPve

N/

Can the EotN skills be replaced? If yes, id like to hear with what.. Im one of the 11 players that love gw and doesnt have eotn.

tnx in advance

Oblivious Moose

Oblivious Moose

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Sinister Swarm [Sin]

P/

try bringing dwarven stability and using it before storm chaser, that would probably help alot..

The Daemon Warrior

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Netherlands

The Celestial Fellowship [CeF]

W/

Probably, but keep in mind that this build is only to farm dudes who do elemental damage If you want to farm enemies who do physiscal damage you might need to swap Barrage for Greater Conflagration
Though it obviously works best when u just farm guys who do ele dmg :P

MrSlayer

MrSlayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

United Kingdom

Quit Whining And [PLAY]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Daemon Warrior
Probably, but keep in mind that this build is only to farm dudes who do elemental damage If you want to farm enemies who do physiscal damage you might need to swap Barrage for Greater Conflagration
Though it obviously works best when u just farm guys who do ele dmg :P That would sort of remove your only source of damage...<.<

Titine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Aube

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by XxSanctusxX
Can the EotN skills be replaced? If yes, id like to hear with what.. Im one of the 11 players that love gw and doesnt have eotn.

tnx in advance
If you want to farm enemies who do not interrupt and do not KD (ex : ice imps), you could bring troll onguent and other skills for damages (favorable winds ?)

Quote: Originally Posted by Oblivious Moose try bringing dwarven stability and using it before storm chaser, that would probably help alot. I have tried. It is a spell, and can be interrupted when you are dazed. You could use it while drinking to prevent KD and daze, but as I use feel no pain for life regen, I cannot drink (200 more HP = quick death). Anyway, with 16 @WS, you can keep storm chaser on indefinitelly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSlayer
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Daemon Warrior
Probably, but keep in mind that this build is only to farm dudes who do elemental damage If you want to farm enemies who do physiscal damage you might need to swap Barrage for Greater Conflagration
Though it obviously works best when u just farm guys who do ele dmg :P

That would sort of remove your only source of damage...<.< If there is no KD, you could drop "I am unstoppable" for volley.

distilledwill

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSlayer
That would sort of remove your only source of damage...<.< Volley? Maybe..
I know its a lot less damage and all, but its worth a shot.
Or ignite arrows and Triple shot? I dunno, just throwing out some ideas now.

Burning Blade

Burning Blade

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

Syag

I just tried this but I brought a monk hero. Hero with Mending + watchful spirit allows me to stay alive forever. However I kept being blinded at all time!

What skill they use that cause blindness?? I could not see any from the screen or wiki.

Titine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Aube

R/

The glimmering snowman can interrupt a skill and cause blindness if he interrupt. If you want to kill him, do not use barrage. But you should skip him, just go back a little bit, he will not follow you.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Blinding_Snow

Sethellington

Sethellington

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

nn

N/

this is such a clever concept. don't have a ranger though ^^ haha

Ancient Menace

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

I was thinking of using vigorous spirit in lieu of "feel no pain!"

Even with no attributes in healing prayers it's still healing for 5 health per attack/spell, and at a quarter second cast time and 5 second recharge, if it does get interrupted it's not the end of the world.

Titine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Aube

R/

1 hour of farming in NM : 24 bunny and 22 eggs ...

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

This looks quite good, I might start doing a little grinding of the Norn!
P.S: How much points towards the Dwarven title do you gain for it on average?

Titine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Aube

R/

O. I do not take the blessing because it remove the DP

Guildmaster Cain

Guildmaster Cain

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Guildmistress Eve [Me], Guildmistress Azura [N], Guildmistress Azumi [A], Guildmistress Jaina [D]

Guildmaster Aeron [Rt], Arthas Ironfist [W], Guild: The Tyrian Templars [TTT]

a salute to the nice refreshing idea

/salute

distilledwill

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

been giving it a go, a lot easier in NM and I guess for something like event farming its not too important that the other drops arent as good.

I swapped I am the Strongest! for Volley as i havent got the norn skill yet and it went ok.

spun ducky

spun ducky

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

WTB: q8 bows

R/N

I am happy someone else made another ranger take on this farm(I was the one that came up with the defiant was xinrae+whirling defense build). I figured this would work as I did testing at one point for a different reason. The snowmen don't do water damage only their normal wand attacks do the snow balls are elemental as well but I never took the time to test it with each mantra to determine which it is but it does trigger storm chaser. In this build thats all that really matters is storm chaser so its a non point. I am also sure other areas could be farmed using both of these techniques since meta teams usually have a collapse point in their build.

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

How do you deal with that huge snowmen mob by the bridge? I get killed even with Watchful Spirit and Feel No Pain @ +5 regen up.

Randvek

Randvek

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Rise From the Ashes [phnx]

W/

A use for Protective Bond? Brilliant!

Titine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Aube

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marverick
How do you deal with that huge snowmen mob by the bridge? I get killed even with Watchful Spirit and Feel No Pain @ +5 regen up. You mean near the map ? These are two distinct mobs. You should kill the first one with bbarrage, and lure the other on ice traps because they have an hex that makes them interrupt barrage.

Pookster

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

UK

Mo/Me

Is this still doable ? Don't recall any nerfs since that blew this away.

Did anyone have success with it elsewhere ?

Many thanx

riktw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

netherlands

Mo/E

i think its still do able, but i am leveling my ranget to 20 so i can test it
so in a week or so i can try it.

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

Sure it works, a little harder since Feel no Pain was nerfed. But the biggest problem with it is that it's a pretty slow way to farm event items and the general drops were never good quality.

BogusDude

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

MARA

R/

I was playing around with this build yesterday and ended up getting distracted and making a video using all secondary professions. Admittedly some builds for some prof are kinda pointless but what the hell, was just for fun. Just farming the first 2 big mobs at the start.
Obviously includes this build
And yeh i know i messed up using AoS for one build but i'd already recorded the vid and it was an optional slot so w/e

Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U11AJ-bUk2s

oh yeh i found the RMes build quickest

Tenebrae

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

One of the most boring farms ever seen imo. The sec mes part was cool thou