Underwrold Question
ejp
Im going to try and get FoW armor and im gonna farm UW/FoW what is the better way of making money w/rt solo or any of the various 2 man builds?
nvmu
lol ok this depends on a few thingshow lucky are you with drops
if you are going to 2 man are you going to go 50/50
and how skilled are you with solo/duo builds, if not very skilled ursan uw clear would be better way to go
Shiing!
Either is just as good. Probably the W/Rt build would be faster since the ectos drop for you and only you.
If you're going 2-man, don't settle for any less than 50/50 on the ectos.
If you're going 2-man, don't settle for any less than 50/50 on the ectos.
Resident
Of course solo farming is better if you wanna have enough ectos for the fow armor. If you're not experienced enough, go for the Vwk build, much safer!
Joe Fierce
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Originally Posted by Resident
Of course solo farming is better if you wanna have enough ectos for the fow armor. If you're not experienced enough, go for the Vwk build, much safer!
i'd have to agree, but if you are more experienced in uw i highly suggest a build that can kill the aataxes as well as everything else as they have the highest ecto drop rate in uw, or at least thats what i've been led to believe, fact is though my runs kinda prove this to me because when i can do a 30 min chamber to smite run and i get on the upsides (max) of 6 ectos in nm and more than half of them have dropped from the pissed off hell cows, that says something... also a minor side note, the aataxes seem to drop ecto less when you two man so, as resident said if you can, solo is tha way!
Bull Dogg
I have seen videos of people going 600/smite in UW and he had 2 accounts so if you can do that dualing ftw
Resident
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce
i'd have to agree, but if you are more experienced in uw i highly suggest a build that can kill the aataxes as well as everything else as they have the highest ecto drop rate in uw, or at least thats what i've been led to believe, fact is though my runs kinda prove this to me because when i can do a 30 min chamber to smite run and i get on the upsides (max) of 6 ectos in nm and more than half of them have dropped from the pissed off hell cows, that says something... also a minor side note, the aataxes seem to drop ecto less when you two man so, as resident said if you can, solo is tha way!
What build do you use mate? I usually run to the chaos planes and farm there, average 6 ectos/run with Donut Tzar's build. I think he is new to this thats why i suggested the Vwk build.
Mr.Kotte
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Originally Posted by Resident
What build do you use mate? I usually run to the chaos planes and farm there, average 6 ectos/run with Donut Tzar's build. I think he is new to this thats why i suggested the Vwk build.
Donat Tzar's build have been the most paying build for me so far. As it nets me up to 13 ectos a run (about 70-90 minutes depending on smite spawn), although, its very tricky in the beginning.
robot of chaos
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Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte
Donat Tzar's build have been the most paying build for me so far. As it nets me up to 13 ectos a run (about 70-90 minutes depending on smite spawn), although, its very tricky in the beginning.
could you plz post a link to this build
ty
could you plz post a link to this build
ty
Mr.Kotte
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Originally Posted by robot of chaos
could you plz post a link to this build
ty
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10260621
Credits goes to Donut Tzar (we kidnapped him, yay)
ty
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10260621Credits goes to Donut Tzar (we kidnapped him, yay)
gw_poster
QUOTE: Everyone above who talks about >6 ectos per run in UW!!?
Wow, I wish I had 1/2 that luck...In 15 min, I clear the chamber and get to the smites duo'ing 600/smite (with Dunk)...I average 1 ecto every 2 runs!! An additional 30 minutes of clearing the ice wastes of all smites/coldfires, I might get lucky with a chest or an additional ecto...In fact, of all my runs, I've gotten a best of 3 ectos. U guys are simply amazing!
Wow, I wish I had 1/2 that luck...In 15 min, I clear the chamber and get to the smites duo'ing 600/smite (with Dunk)...I average 1 ecto every 2 runs!! An additional 30 minutes of clearing the ice wastes of all smites/coldfires, I might get lucky with a chest or an additional ecto...In fact, of all my runs, I've gotten a best of 3 ectos. U guys are simply amazing!
My Lipgloss is Cool
Dunk eats half your ectos, so there's your first problem
But yeah...Still sounds like a bad streak to me
MLiC
But yeah...Still sounds like a bad streak to me
MLiC
Mr.Kotte
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Originally Posted by gw_poster
QUOTE: Everyone above who talks about >6 ectos per run in UW!!?
We solo alot more then just the Ice Wastes + Chamber.
Click the link and read the guide, its really awesome.
We solo alot more then just the Ice Wastes + Chamber.
Click the link and read the guide, its really awesome.
gw_poster
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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool
Dunk eats half your ectos, so there's your first problem
But yeah...Still sounds like a bad streak to me
MLiC oh yeah, Dunk...that bald bastard has been stealing my ectos! I read the link, sounds great, too - if I only had an ele... qq
But yeah...Still sounds like a bad streak to me
MLiC oh yeah, Dunk...that bald bastard has been stealing my ectos! I read the link, sounds great, too - if I only had an ele... qq
teotuf
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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool
Dunk eats half your ectos, so there's your first problem
But yeah...Still sounds like a bad streak to me
MLiC this needs to stop... i really cannot understand why people have this misconception.
you are always killing both AATXES and SMITES in a duo, so the total number of ectos that the team gets is about doubled compared to a smite only solo run, which since ur dividing that by 2, you still get the same amount of ecto as soloing per run...
But yeah...Still sounds like a bad streak to me
MLiC this needs to stop... i really cannot understand why people have this misconception.
you are always killing both AATXES and SMITES in a duo, so the total number of ectos that the team gets is about doubled compared to a smite only solo run, which since ur dividing that by 2, you still get the same amount of ecto as soloing per run...
gw_poster
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Originally Posted by teotuf
this needs to stop... i really cannot understand why people have this misconception.
you are always killing both AATXES and SMITES in a duo, so the total number of ectos that the team gets is about doubled compared to a smite only solo run, which since ur dividing that by 2, you still get the same amount of ecto as soloing per run... Oh? So Dunk isn't eating 1/2 my ectos?? Oops, sorry Dunk - you're not a bald bastard, well - bald, but not a bastard...
Thanks for the enlightenment, now I don't feel so bad, but I'm still getting way gyped compared to what the others claim to be getting in ecto drops - even with only doing 2 of their 4 areas!
you are always killing both AATXES and SMITES in a duo, so the total number of ectos that the team gets is about doubled compared to a smite only solo run, which since ur dividing that by 2, you still get the same amount of ecto as soloing per run... Oh? So Dunk isn't eating 1/2 my ectos?? Oops, sorry Dunk - you're not a bald bastard, well - bald, but not a bastard...
Thanks for the enlightenment, now I don't feel so bad, but I'm still getting way gyped compared to what the others claim to be getting in ecto drops - even with only doing 2 of their 4 areas!
Scarn
Not meaning to brag, but I believe my run has the best solo payout of any UW build. Once you understand the route, and master the basics of the build, it is quite simple. As Kotte said, it is not unreasonable to obtain between 8-15 ectos in a single run.
My Lipgloss is Cool
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Originally Posted by teotuf
this needs to stop... i really cannot understand why people have this misconception.
you are always killing both AATXES and SMITES in a duo, so the total number of ectos that the team gets is about doubled compared to a smite only solo run, which since ur dividing that by 2, you still get the same amount of ecto as soloing per run... That would be true if...you know...There were nearly as many aatxes as there were smites.
Also, there ARE solo builds that can kill aatxes + smites (N/Mo 55 SV anyone?)
If you're just clearing the chamber + killing smites, you'll kill ~16 aatxes (Including the ones in the Terrorweb's room)...Unless you plan to argue that there are only ~16 smites, then your point is wrong. If you DO argue that there are only ~16 smites, then you're wrong anyways.
MLiC
you are always killing both AATXES and SMITES in a duo, so the total number of ectos that the team gets is about doubled compared to a smite only solo run, which since ur dividing that by 2, you still get the same amount of ecto as soloing per run... That would be true if...you know...There were nearly as many aatxes as there were smites.
Also, there ARE solo builds that can kill aatxes + smites (N/Mo 55 SV anyone?)
If you're just clearing the chamber + killing smites, you'll kill ~16 aatxes (Including the ones in the Terrorweb's room)...Unless you plan to argue that there are only ~16 smites, then your point is wrong. If you DO argue that there are only ~16 smites, then you're wrong anyways.
MLiC
teotuf
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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool
That would be true if...you know...There were nearly as many aatxes as there were smites.
Also, there ARE solo builds that can kill aatxes + smites (N/Mo 55 SV anyone?)
If you're just clearing the chamber + killing smites, you'll kill ~16 aatxes (Including the ones in the Terrorweb's room)...Unless you plan to argue that there are only ~16 smites, then your point is wrong. If you DO argue that there are only ~16 smites, then you're wrong anyways.
MLiC you are assuming that they have the same droprate for ectos... however, that's not true. about 1 in every 15 aatxes drop an ecto, about 1 in every 40 smites drop an ecto. someone tested the drop rates of smites and aatxes before, in a duo run aatxe drop 52% of the ectos or soemthing, and smites 48%
as for solo builds that can do both... i'm sorry, i just don't think any of the solo ones you can find on pvxwiki or here are profit... challenge and fun? sure, farming for profit? waaaaayyy too slow
out of the solo UW builds that are shown here or on pvxbuilds, i'd say that the donut tzar's is the most profitable one.
Also, there ARE solo builds that can kill aatxes + smites (N/Mo 55 SV anyone?)
If you're just clearing the chamber + killing smites, you'll kill ~16 aatxes (Including the ones in the Terrorweb's room)...Unless you plan to argue that there are only ~16 smites, then your point is wrong. If you DO argue that there are only ~16 smites, then you're wrong anyways.
MLiC you are assuming that they have the same droprate for ectos... however, that's not true. about 1 in every 15 aatxes drop an ecto, about 1 in every 40 smites drop an ecto. someone tested the drop rates of smites and aatxes before, in a duo run aatxe drop 52% of the ectos or soemthing, and smites 48%
as for solo builds that can do both... i'm sorry, i just don't think any of the solo ones you can find on pvxwiki or here are profit... challenge and fun? sure, farming for profit? waaaaayyy too slow
out of the solo UW builds that are shown here or on pvxbuilds, i'd say that the donut tzar's is the most profitable one.
ejp
ok i just need to get my ele ascended and figure out the route to chaos plains
My Lipgloss is Cool
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Originally Posted by teotuf
you are assuming that they have the same droprate for ectos... however, that's not true. about 1 in every 15 aatxes drop an ecto, about 1 in every 40 smites drop an ecto. someone tested the drop rates of smites and aatxes before, in a duo run aatxe drop 52% of the ectos or soemthing, and smites 48%
as for solo builds that can do both... i'm sorry, i just don't think any of the solo ones you can find on pvxwiki or here are profit... challenge and fun? sure, farming for profit? waaaaayyy too slow
out of the solo UW builds that are shown here or on pvxbuilds, i'd say that the donut tzar's is the most profitable one. [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Suffering[/skill]Optional[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill]
That can farm for profit rather than challenge.
as for solo builds that can do both... i'm sorry, i just don't think any of the solo ones you can find on pvxwiki or here are profit... challenge and fun? sure, farming for profit? waaaaayyy too slow
out of the solo UW builds that are shown here or on pvxbuilds, i'd say that the donut tzar's is the most profitable one. [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Suffering[/skill]Optional[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill]
That can farm for profit rather than challenge.
teotuf
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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool
[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Suffering[/skill]Optional[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Mending[/skill]
That can farm for profit rather than challenge. unless i'm seriously inept, i don't think it's possible to consistantly use that to do the aatxes and smite run in less than 30 min. and considering most of the smites only runs take around 10-15 min, i don't see a 30min+ aatxes and smites run as "profitable"
That can farm for profit rather than challenge. unless i'm seriously inept, i don't think it's possible to consistantly use that to do the aatxes and smite run in less than 30 min. and considering most of the smites only runs take around 10-15 min, i don't see a 30min+ aatxes and smites run as "profitable"
My Lipgloss is Cool
Avoiding coldfire patrols, and with spirit bond in the optional, you can do it in 20 minutes.
Fuzzy Taco
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Originally Posted by teotuf
unless i'm seriously inept, i don't think it's possible to consistantly use that to do the aatxes and smite run in less than 30 min. and considering most of the smites only runs take around 10-15 min, i don't see a 30min+ aatxes and smites run as "profitable"
it's insanely easy to do smite runs in 20 mins or less with a 55/SS necro. as Lipgloss said, skip those annoying coldfires, aggro a couple small groups together, and don't suck and you can easily hit the 19 minute mark for a full smite run. those 30 min run times are from bad pulls, killing unneecessary groups (Coldfires are worthless tbh) and being overcautious.
T1Cybernetic
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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool
Avoiding coldfire patrols, and with spirit bond in the optional, you can do it in 20 minutes.
I can confirm that bar i used to do it ~30 mins if i miss the coldfires and stop being idle 
plus if you take out mending 
i dont like it 
spirit bond and heal breeze are all you need, stick pain inverter or something crazy in that spare slot too...
i used to do it ~30 mins if i miss the coldfires and stop being idle plus if you take out mending i dont like it 
cerb
2-men, all the way. For farming, I would suggest Chamber/Unwanted Guests/Escort of Souls/Ice King (See The Art of Underworld -> videos -> First 4 Quests for video with 55/SS). You can do those in about 40 minutes easily (We can do 30 but we've done it a million times).
You can also add Chaos Plains to that for yet even more ectos. Chaos Planes alone should take about 15-20 minutes. Bone Pits and Spawning Pools are doable too, but they tend to take much more time than the rest. Bone Pits aren't hard with a constant Spellbreaker but can be quite annoying due to AI, out of sight (which can be very weird, I've had times where I could hit a monster that couldn't hit me), treshers hex/foc necro, patrols (dangerous if you don't know bone pits well), etc. As for Spawning Pools, you cannot aggro too many groups at once if Charged Blacknesses are present (gogo shock), and they won't follow for long because of the Tar effect (impossible to make huge groups of dryders).
Also, Ice King = 18 dryders, which also tend to mean good chance for ectos. It is quite common to get 1-2 ectos by doing it (which only takes like 2:30 minutes at most).
I'm pretty sure you could do Unwanted Guests+Escort of Souls+Ice King+Chaos Planes in about 1:15 even if you are unexperienced.
You can also add Chaos Plains to that for yet even more ectos. Chaos Planes alone should take about 15-20 minutes. Bone Pits and Spawning Pools are doable too, but they tend to take much more time than the rest. Bone Pits aren't hard with a constant Spellbreaker but can be quite annoying due to AI, out of sight (which can be very weird, I've had times where I could hit a monster that couldn't hit me), treshers hex/foc necro, patrols (dangerous if you don't know bone pits well), etc. As for Spawning Pools, you cannot aggro too many groups at once if Charged Blacknesses are present (gogo shock), and they won't follow for long because of the Tar effect (impossible to make huge groups of dryders).
Also, Ice King = 18 dryders, which also tend to mean good chance for ectos. It is quite common to get 1-2 ectos by doing it (which only takes like 2:30 minutes at most).
I'm pretty sure you could do Unwanted Guests+Escort of Souls+Ice King+Chaos Planes in about 1:15 even if you are unexperienced.
Resident
*Bows to Cerb*
Well, the ONE has spoken, close the thread In fact i did solo farm for profit, now i do duo farm for fun.
Well, the ONE has spoken, close the thread
In fact i did solo farm for profit, now i do duo farm for fun.
cerb
Most people do the simple-ish and naive assumption that solo = more profit as you don't split drops. However, for the duration of one solo run, you can clear more quests/areas with 2-men, and do it twice which obviously means more ectos. If you average 8 ectos / 2 hours with a solo run, this should net 8-12 ectos / 2 hours, and you can even do it in Hard Mode without adding that much more time. If you have two accounts and two computers, have one smite, that will definately get you a FoW armor very fast.
The decision is up to you, and it will depend on which character you have. If you have an ele and no monk, you might as well go solo since on a short time span, you will get enough ectos for FoW faster than if you took the time to start/level a monk and go FoW. If you have both but no monk/necro friend who could play with you (either as smite, 600 or SS), then obviously go with ele. This also applies if you have neither character, should you start one, decide which with that in mind. Any other class solos too slowly.
The decision is up to you, and it will depend on which character you have. If you have an ele and no monk, you might as well go solo since on a short time span, you will get enough ectos for FoW faster than if you took the time to start/level a monk and go FoW. If you have both but no monk/necro friend who could play with you (either as smite, 600 or SS), then obviously go with ele. This also applies if you have neither character, should you start one, decide which with that in mind. Any other class solos too slowly.