Bots and Gaile claiming they can't whisper

Songbringer

Songbringer

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Join Date: Aug 2007

EastCoast

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This may be old news to anyone but me.

So, I always thought gaile lied when she said the trial accounts can't whisper. Then I saw a guy spamming(knowing he was buying it for his bot) that he wanted to buy trial codes. So, I pm him. I have trial code. He responds "Let me check to make sure it's real." Typed in random crap and I get a reply a few minutes later. The trial key is real so let me give you your money. BTW the key wasn't real. So he says "Trading the gold is against the rules so let me get on your account and I will put the money into your storage." Obviously I said no. Knowing it was a scam. I said "Sorry I wont let you on my account but you can keep the code.

This means that the bots that pm you when you go to gtob/ascalon/shing jea and where ever else. Those aren't trial codes they are accounts that got stolen from people who let them on there accounts.

This was a heads up for people who didn't know anything about it. As well as all the people who said gaile lies trial codes can whisper(i was one among many).

Sorry if this is old news and I am just not in the loop.

It is ok to flame me for bieng a *insert ignorant comments*. Flame On

Sorry for any typos or any gramtical errors. I tried my best to type this out right.

Edit: Yes i reported the guy but it was a trial code he was on since he couldn't trade. So it probably didn't do anything.

bhavv

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

People would have to be really stupid to let someone like that person onto their account to give them gold.

Casey5191

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Lmao...that exact same thing happened to me

AW Lore

AW Lore

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Join Date: May 2006

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*flames you for being an ignorant*


he was not a "real bot", he was a scammer, look at it:

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"Let me check to make sure it's real." Typed in random crap and I get a reply a few minutes later.
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BTW the key wasn't real
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I get a reply a few minutes later. The trial key is real so let me give you your money
he didnt check it, he was trying to scam newbies (and/or noobs too) into believing him.
so you give him a random number, he says its real and its gonna put the money in your storagem those fool or naive enough to fall for it, believing in some easy quick cash give him the access to their accounts, and instead of him giving you money, steals all of it.

not a "real bot" as they only spam the "go to XXX site", ive gotten a few whispers of that, but never a "hey how is it going, sell me a trial code"

funnily enough, trial codes can be gotten from the main site.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
People would have to be really stupid to let someone like that person onto their account to give them gold.
There's one born every minute...

Yes, account theft doesn't happen because of some shady hacker in a country with unpronounceable name. Almost always (there are exceptions), it happens with unknowing consent of the victim.

The fact that bots are stolen accounts has been known since start. But hey, by now, everyone should know that sharing/trading/giving away account info is the biggest no-no in a F2P game. What can you do...

I shudder to think what happens if these people own credit cards.


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It is ok to flame me for bieng a *insert ignorant comments*. Flame On
I flame in your general direction.

I pwnd U

I pwnd U

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Join Date: Oct 2005

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lolz It's sad that people are stupid enough to actually let people get on their accounts... why would you do that? They aren't going to get any money, just a bad idea...

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AW Lore
funnily enough, trial codes can be gotten from the main site.
Winner. Bots don't need to steal accounts to whisper nor do they need to buy trial accounts since they can get them dirrectly from a.net for free.

Just a run of the mill scammer (should be on the "worst/funniest scams you've ever heard thread"). Pretty creative and funny though.

Conn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

Should have asked how he would have gotten the money into your storage without trading

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
People would have to be really stupid to let someone like that person onto their account to give them gold.
They just have to be greedy. Greed disables common sense. This is why the internet "401 scam" did so well, and probably still does.

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

Gaile has never claimed that trial accounts cannot whisper. In fact, I recall her saying exactly the opposite - that whispering was essential for a good representative gaming experience and therefore would not be denied to trial accounts.

Sleeper Service

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

Quote:
Originally Posted by Conn
Should have asked how he would have gotten the money into your storage without trading
they farm it for you on your account...DUH

The Little Viking

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

innergalactic gargleblasters

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Conn
Should have asked how he would have gotten the money into your storage without trading
That was my thought exactly.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

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Join Date: May 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Songbringer
I saw a guy spamming(knowing he was buying it for his bot) that he wanted to buy trial codes.
Buy trial codes.
That was your hint right there that this wasn't a real botter, merely a scammer.

Fril Estelin

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Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U
lolz It's sad that people are stupid enough to actually let people get on their accounts... why would you do that? They aren't going to get any money, just a bad idea...
Just FYI it's called "social engineering", or the use of the knowledge of how humans work psycho-sociologically. Not all people are stupid, some simply are not cautious, some are too young to have experienced scams, some are too old to care, and there are many more situations that go far beyong the "they're stupid". An enlightening read is Kevin Mitnick's first book when he got out of jail for hacking, where he explains how he got administrator passwords and other niceties from knowledgeable people (in the technical sense of the term, but they didn't know about these "social engineering" tricks) in order to hack into big companies. This happens every day, read this amazing story for even further enlightenment:
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=34552

Welcome to the Matrix of the real world!

Arduin

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
Gaile has never claimed that trial accounts cannot whisper. In fact, I recall her saying exactly the opposite - that whispering was essential for a good representative gaming experience and therefore would not be denied to trial accounts.
This gets a QFT from me. It is never said trial accounts can't whisper, so I don't know why you, OP, are thinking this.

bhavv

bhavv

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Gaile has deffo said that trial accounts connot whisper back when we were discussing bots that send adds by whisper. Some People said that trial accounts should not be able to chat at all, but gaile said that denying access to the chat channels would ruin the game experience too much. Cant care to find a link, i was there when she said it.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arduinna
This gets a QFT from me. It is never said trial accounts can't whisper, so I don't know why you, OP, are thinking this.
No, that's not true. Gaile has indeed said that as far as she knew whispering and trading was disabled for trial accounts, but not using the ALL channel.

I at the time went to get a trial account and check, but they had already removed it from the website, and I sure wasn't going to buy another copy of guildwars just to test.

Which also makes the issue moot. The trial accounts were abused by botters and spammers because they were free.

Gold sellers would never buy trial accounts, that was a dead giveaway that this was a scam. Hell, pretty much all in-game account selling or buying are scams.

Esan

Esan

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Join Date: Jul 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Gaile has indeed said that as far as she knew whispering [...] was disabled for trial accounts
[citation needed]

Numa Pompilius

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
[citation needed]
Perhaps, but I'm not going to sift through all the screenshots and threads in GWonline to find it. If you don't trust my memory, believe what you will.

My real point was that one can safely assume that any kind of in-game buying or selling of accounts is always a scam, and that the person who whispered the OP likely was using a normal account. His entire story has nothing to do with trial accounts, and everything to do with one of the more common in-game scams.

I was not making any point about Gaile's trustworthiness, which is frankly irrelevant anyway: she's in PR and not always kept fully in the loop by development and marketing - what else is new?

Fril Estelin

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London

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There's a "Game & Dev tracker" forum where messages by Gaile, here and on other GW forums, are recorded. The only one I found relevant atm with a quicky search is (there may be more):
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10253298

Stolen Souls

Stolen Souls

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Meh, yeah just some lame scammer. Just say you're going to report him and move on. Really is sad that there ARE people out there that will fall for that kind of stuff. :/

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

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London

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Interestingly enough, SOE/EQ II mention account stealing today:

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/n...local e=en_US
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Keep Your Characters Safe!

Account theft isn't isolated only to those who choose to trade or share their station accounts. (which is ignoring the EULA!) As the internet and online gaming population grows, so does the cesspool of scammers. There are a variety of ways in which people will attempt to gain access to your account, and the list grows everyday. Fear not, there are simple tips to ensure that your account is protected. Keep in mind these worn-out (but useful!) words of wisdom:

Sharing your account information is never a good idea.

Gamers have heard the advice before, yet a lot of people still opt to share their account information with close friends. Having a guildmate complete a quest for you while you're sleeping may seem mostly harmless, but bad things can happen. While it doesn't always end in catastrophe, you could log back in with a new last name like "Lovetrollslongtime" or something slightly worse which might result in a banning. It's not always obvious, malicious attacks that cause good accounts to go bad!

I'm sure we've all heard the fateful stories of guildbanks emptied and outfit members booted. Sadly, this is often a direct result of sharing account information. Not only do you run the risk of virtual strangers reeking havoc on all you've worked hard for, but you make it difficult for SOE's customer service staff to investigate and resolve issues.

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super strokey

super strokey

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how about they cut of the trials? I think its about time for that

Commander Ryker

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
People would have to be really stupid to let someone like that person onto their account to give them gold.
Here's a news flash for ya........People are really stupid!

Quote:
Originally Posted by I pwnd U
lolz It's sad that people are stupid enough to actually let people get on their accounts... why would you do that? They aren't going to get any money, just a bad idea...
It is sad. There was a guy a while back who had posted in ventari's. He wanted someone to do the beetle racing for him and was going to pay them 500k or something. He was actually going to give his account details to someone so they could race for him.

Amy Awien

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
People would have to be really stupid to let someone like that person onto their account to give them gold.
People have died falling for a 419 scam.

Trust is a difficult thing. You'd be pissed off if people only gave you the trust they knew you for. Nothing personal to you, but people do trust too easily, and people expect to be trusted.

creelie

creelie

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Alberta

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Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by super strokey
how about they cut of the trials? I think its about time for that
They've already said they won't do that. There are still lots of people getting into the game through free trials, and now more than ever they need lots of people to know and care that GW2 is coming.

MithranArkanere

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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That was not a bot. That was a heavy scammer. You should have reported him.