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revhard

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Join Date: Dec 2005

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19 Mar 2008 at 18:22 - 1

I miss the days of chest running, many good times had with that.
they should remove the randomness of the chests so that if
the first person opens it and it's rare, everyone else that opens
it would get a rare. I had a blast back in the day. all they did was
remove another yet fun thing that could be done in GW.

I know they won't take LS away, but perhaps this smaller change
can be reversed so that we can once again see "CRSI"

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

19 Mar 2008 at 18:27 - 2

Wow lurk much ? (2005 + post count)

Ehr no, because you can't sell it anyways

revhard

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

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19 Mar 2008 at 18:38 - 3

forgot my password, plus i never logged in. was bored at work today.
the st. patricks day weekend event got me back into gw hardcore again.
farmed all weekend, looking forward to more for the easter event.

farmerfez

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

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19 Mar 2008 at 19:18 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by revhard

I miss the days of chest running, many good times had with that.
they should remove the randomness of the chests so that if
the first person opens it and it's rare, everyone else that opens
it would get a rare. I had a blast back in the day. all they did was
remove another yet fun thing that could be done in GW.

I know they won't take LS away, but perhaps this smaller change
can be reversed so that we can once again see "CRSI"

...people still chest run...

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

19 Mar 2008 at 19:26 - 5

Yeah but now I'm getting R12 purples in DoA.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

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19 Mar 2008 at 19:34 - 6

I like the crap shoot, it adds to the fun of it. Kill the bad guys, get to the chest, roll the dice...

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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19 Mar 2008 at 19:44 - 7

Quote:

...people still chest run...

Yea, for TH.

Chest running used to be a fun, group thing you could do to try and get a few nice items. Even before when you could test the chests it was next to impossible to come out ahead, now it's just financial suicide and anybody with any common sense doesn't do it

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

19 Mar 2008 at 20:17 - 8

Oldschool Chestrunning in groups was fantastic fun. Now it's just solo boring grind.
And after Hardmode insane gold item drop rares + Lootscaling not affecting Gold items but greatly reducing the amount of gold in circulation, chestrunning is not only boring solo grind, it's also a pure goldsink. The state of economy makes you destined to lose money on chestrunning in the long term.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

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19 Mar 2008 at 21:03 - 9

Then you always have 1 person sacrificing their key.

Good for you, bad for them.

The Mountain

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Realm of the GWAMMs

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19 Mar 2008 at 21:06 - 10

tester rotates, mate...

DarkFlame

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Join Date: Feb 2005

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19 Mar 2008 at 21:47 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Wow lurk much ? (2005 + post count)

I'm the oldest forum member thats still active here(other then Inde) and I didn't start posting till a few months back. There's nothing wrong with lurking.

And yeah, I miss the old days when chests weren't random. But I don't see Anet reverting it back as the randomness makes the keys/lockpicks a more effective gold sink. And gold does need to be taken out of the game.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

19 Mar 2008 at 22:01 - 12

how about stopping asking for change and save some thread material for GW2 ?

revhard

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

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20 Mar 2008 at 04:56 - 13

dunno if im gonna start gw2, i've used so much time playing gw as it is, would be nice to go outside once in awhile lol

Pleikki

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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20 Mar 2008 at 05:08 - 14

mm I run chests aswell. Not for drops.. For title. and i run in hardmode so i get more unlucky points..

O Nuxtofulakas

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Did u check your closet?

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20 Mar 2008 at 11:41 - 15

chest must be "random" by definition.

it's not logical to know in advance that you'll get gold or purple
(unless you are a seer or have superman x-ray vision

)

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

20 Mar 2008 at 11:48 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by O Nuxtofulakas

chest must be "random" by definition.

it's not logical to know in advance that you'll get gold or purple
(unless you are a seer or have superman x-ray vision

)

Well it's also unlogical that monsters drop less when you kill them by yourself, too. It's also unlogical that 1 chest can contain more than 8 weapons (1 for each player), and needs a special key to be opened and can't just be opened by smashing it up with a hammer or an axe.

In my opinions, the high-end chests (the ones that require 750 or more gold) should always be gold. Spending 750 gold on a crappy purple item really sucks. It should at least be a crappy gold item...

O Nuxtofulakas

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Did u check your closet?

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20 Mar 2008 at 12:00 - 17

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Originally Posted by reetkever

Well it's also unlogical that monsters drop less when you kill them by yourself, too. It's also unlogical that 1 chest can contain more than 8 weapons (1 for each player), and needs a special key to be opened and can't just be opened by smashing it up with a hammer or an axe.

In my opinions, the high-end chests (the ones that require 750 or more gold) should always be gold. Spending 750 gold on a crappy purple item really sucks. It should at least be a crappy gold item...

sure...
...and those that spawn in "elite" areas must always drop a r9, right?
with perfect 30hp and 20/20 mods, right? cause it sucks to spend 1.5k...
or even better a pop up window with a Xunlai agent with bikini asking kindly what you want to get from the menu?

well sardelac sanitarium is your friend

you can propose many things there

Uber Mass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Netherlands

retired from gw [agro] still ftw

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20 Mar 2008 at 12:06 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by O Nuxtofulakas

sure...
...and those that spawn in "elite" areas must always drop a r9, right?
with perfect 30hp and 20/20 mods, right? cause it sucks to spend 1.5k...
or even better a pop up window with a Xunlai agent with bikini asking kindly what you want to get from the menu?

well sardelac sanitarium is your friend

you can propose many things there

/win

they made the game easier for every1 allready... Pretty useless to make more "insta-rich" chests. Its a gamble as it should be...

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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20 Mar 2008 at 12:07 - 19

Quote:

sure...
...and those that spawn in "elite" areas must always drop a r9, right?
with perfect 30hp and 20/20 mods, right? cause it sucks to spend 1.5k...
or even better a pop up window with a Xunlai agent with bikini asking kindly what you want to get from the menu?

So do you have anything to say about what he actually posted, or were you just being ridiculous?

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

20 Mar 2008 at 12:08 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by O Nuxtofulakas

sure...
...and those that spawn in "elite" areas must always drop a r9, right?
with perfect 30hp and 20/20 mods, right? cause it sucks to spend 1.5k...
or even better a pop up window with a Xunlai agent with bikini asking kindly what you want to get from the menu?

well sardelac sanitarium is your friend

you can propose many things there

I never said something like that. The point I'm trying to make is that because chests have like 90% to drop a purple, it just plain sucks to buy keys. A system that was good before was nerfed to the point where it wasn't fun anymore.

750 gold for 1 key is more than most people can afford. At least give us SOMETHING in return instead of a crappy purple req 13 Restoration Magic Focus that nobody can use and can be sold for only 150 gold.

A Gold item is a reward on it's own, no matter what the stats are.

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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20 Mar 2008 at 12:11 - 21

Quote:

750 gold for 1 key is more than most people can afford. At least give us SOMETHING in return instead of a crappy purple req 13 Restoration Magic Focus that nobody can use and can be sold for only 150 gold.

Chest running was always a losing proposition unless you happened to get really, really lucky. The change to randomness just made it a FASTER loss.

The thing I really miss is that you can't get into a CR group anymore because there's no reason to now. It makes just as much sense to just solo it, so that's what people do.

CRs in Whitman's Folly back in the day were all kinds of fun, and a good way to meet new people.

zwei2stein

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

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20 Mar 2008 at 12:14 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by O Nuxtofulakas

sure...
...and those that spawn in "elite" areas must always drop a r9, right?
with perfect 30hp and 20/20 mods, right? cause it sucks to spend 1.5k...
or even better a pop up window with a Xunlai agent with bikini asking kindly what you want to get from the menu?

well sardelac sanitarium is your friend

you can propose many things there

Strawman much?

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Anyway, back when chests could be "tested", chest running was nice social activity. Shame they took that away.

O Nuxtofulakas

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Did u check your closet?

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20 Mar 2008 at 12:41 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Strawman much?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

So do you have anything to say about what he actually posted, or were you just being ridiculous?

so..we are not allowed to have an opposite opinion cause you don't like it?
i can also start insulting you, using similar vocabulary but nah.....

..you both look experienced players and your contribution here should be how to impove the challenge of the game...not how to make it pathetically easy...
..my pov

i do sympathize you...

oh... and for those who didn't understand and asked if i have smtg to say the answer is
/notsigned

Taurus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mexico

Go for the eyes [jizz]

W/Mo

20 Mar 2008 at 13:03 - 24

I is wanting all chests to give req 7 max itens that is cool and I like it
if anets makes me wishes come trues i give the cool guyz over their two tumbs up

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

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20 Mar 2008 at 13:06 - 25

I would not mind chest running being fairly profitible. I have done chest runs befor and they where fun. maybe up the random generator of chests.

Ctb

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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20 Mar 2008 at 13:20 - 26

Quote:

so..we are not allowed to have an opposite opinion cause you don't like it?
i can also start insulting you, using similar vocabulary but nah.....

You did not present an opinion. You quoted reetkever and you posted a bunch of claims he didn't make as if that's what he was suggesting. That's a strawman, it's a ridiculous strawman at that, and I'll ask you one more time before I dismiss your comments out of hand as both fallacious and irrelevant:

Do you, or do you not have any actual response to what reetkever posted and you quoted?

Furthermore, considering your poor grammar and spelling - which I'm well aware may be a result of not speaking English as a first language, which is entirely fair - and your apparent misunderstanding of the word "insult", I seriously doubt you can muster a similar vocabulary. Just an observation.

MirkoTeran

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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20 Mar 2008 at 13:38 - 27

/not snigned.

I find it fine just as it is.

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

20 Mar 2008 at 13:43 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Anyway, back when chests could be "tested", chest running was nice social activity. Shame they took that away.

I miss those days too, don't see it coming back. It seems ANET is determined that we grind and grind alone.

Scary

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Uhmmmm??

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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20 Mar 2008 at 13:49 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by revhard

I miss the days of chest running, many good times had with that.
they should remove the randomness of the chests so that if
the first person opens it and it's rare, everyone else that opens
it would get a rare. I had a blast back in the day. all they did was
remove another yet fun thing that could be done in GW.

I know they won't take LS away, but perhaps this smaller change
can be reversed so that we can once again see "CRSI"

They wont change......
So open a new topic ?????

Whisper Evenstar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

NYC

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20 Mar 2008 at 13:51 - 30

/notsigned

they did fix chests - they are truly random now...

revhard

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Join Date: Dec 2005

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20 Mar 2008 at 15:41 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

Chest running was always a losing proposition unless you happened to get really, really lucky. The change to randomness just made it a FASTER loss.

The thing I really miss is that you can't get into a CR group anymore because there's no reason to now. It makes just as much sense to just solo it, so that's what people do.

CRs in Whitman's Folly back in the day were all kinds of fun, and a good way to meet new people.

exactly, it's nice to spend 1.5k on a key and actually get a gold , even if it's crap. but the main thing is once they made the change, 95% of people stopped chest runs because they weren't as fun anymore. it was always fair since you rolled the dice to see who opened first

i guess this is more of a i miss the old days of..... type thread then anything.

The Toe Tag

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

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20 Mar 2008 at 15:59 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witchblade

how about stopping asking for change and save some thread material for GW2 ?

Dont worry im sure they will find something they want changed then too.

As for the random chests,i like when they added that.It stoped the whole"im not useing my key it might be a purple,use yours...No use yours"

Something i want to add,might be a stupid question but...When did chests start spawning in mid mission?
Iv seen it in Fow and lastly in the Gates of kryta HM.I ran up to the chest for bonus and picked up the book and BAM a locked chest spawned behind me.
Was that added to stop chest runners?

zwei2stein

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Join Date: Jun 2006

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20 Mar 2008 at 16:15 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Toe Tag

Dont worry im sure they will find something they want changed then too.

As for the random chests,i like when they added that.It stoped the whole"im not useing my key it might be a purple,use yours...No use yours"

Something i want to add,might be a stupid question but...When did chests start spawning in mid mission?
Iv seen it in Fow and lastly in the Gates of kryta HM.I ran up to the chest for bonus and picked up the book and BAM a locked chest spawned behind me.
Was that added to stop chest runners?

Chests now spawns only if linked enemy group spawns too. So, if enemy group spawns after you entered map, chest will spawn with them. For example, picking book in kryta mission spawns several wraits groups and if those groups have chest linked, it spawned with them.

And yeah, it is because of chestrunning since people could avoid some spawn triggers thus having easy access to lots of unguarded chests.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

20 Mar 2008 at 16:33 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFlame

I'm the oldest forum member thats still active here(other then Inde) and I didn't start posting till a few months back. There's nothing wrong with lurking.

Nice to see someone besides Inde that's been a member longer than me.

Quote:

And yeah, I miss the old days when chests weren't random. But I don't see Anet reverting it back as the randomness makes the keys/lockpicks a more effective gold sink. And gold does need to be taken out of the game.

The only reason I bother with chests now is for titles. Haven't seen anything but junk in a long time ..... although I did get an elite monk tome last night.

Dronte

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Sep 2006

20 Mar 2008 at 20:01 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Oldschool Chestrunning in groups was fantastic fun. Now it's just solo boring grind.
And after Hardmode insane gold item drop rares + Lootscaling not affecting Gold items but greatly reducing the amount of gold in circulation, chestrunning is not only boring solo grind, it's also a pure goldsink. The state of economy makes you destined to lose money on chestrunning in the long term.

/QFT

I ran ~1500 chests in 2 months before the nerf, since then I opened about.. 400 in 1 year..

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

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20 Mar 2008 at 20:21 - 36

Doing that might put some fun back into GW, so it'll never happen.

This game has gradually stopped being about fun and started being about grinding. Chests, allegiance titles, crappy EoTN chests needing lockpicks in NM... etc etc ad nauseaum.

Every time something is fun, BANG nerfed. This topic has just reminded me how epically /fail Anet's running of GW has been.