2.5 Months in to GW, what a newb thinks.

mHtt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

As I play mostly PvE, and my comments will be regarding the PvE experience I am posting this in the campfire.

The following is simply a list of observations I've made in my few months playing gw.

But first some context. I'm not a total newb:
-I played many many console RPG's, Final Fantasy series, Zelda series, Dragon Warrior series... to name a few.

-I've got 10+years of playing online multiplayer games: half life 1 mods, half life 2 mods, quake 3, duke nukem LOL, age of empires2, battlefield 2, WC3... to name a few.

-You wouldn't know I'm a newb in game: My most played Character: "Slayer of Concepts" is lvl 20 'Slayer of All' with 2 pieces of FoW Armor, and at 51 days old, has more than 3 million xp, he wields a q9 Clockwork Scythe. I have 4 more LVL 20's (mo, wa, me, pa) and I began my GW career by leveling a mesmer and beating the prophecies campaign with her, yes I chose mesmer as my first class, ever . So sufficed to say I know GW fairly well, but timewise, and more importantly experience wise, I'm still a total newb.

So here's my observations thus far.
-I don't get why people can be reported for swearing, as there is a swearing filter built into the game engine. The fact that A-net kicks and bans for swearing is beyond me as it actually invalidates the work that went into developing and implementing the anti swearing system, making it a waste of A-net's own time and money. This behavior is goes against business ethics as customer's/player's in the GW world we invest in A-net's financial viability. It's success as a company means a better gaming experience for us, however when the company behaves in a way that it actually devalues the work of it's own employees, for the sake of saving a few lazy or unobservant customers, the overall improving quality of our gaming experiences could be at stake. I hope for all our sake this is not indicative of A-net's over all appreciation for the contribution of it's employees.
(Don't report ppl for swearing, turn filter on)

-The great ursanway debate.
As you can see I'm a 'slayer of all' so I'm sure some of you assuming there's going to be some bias in my following arguments. I'd like to take a moment to point out that this assumption is actually the first act of bias, as you need to wait for my argument's specifics and their relation to the conclusion to see if I'm really being bias or not.
- The number 1 premises given by critics of ursanway seems to be that it is simply button mashing and requires no skill. That it's a grind and that it's the final salvation of all things newbish. Here's why I tend to disagree:
1. Nobody gets to R8,9,10. Ursan by accident, ok? This takes a lot of time, and effort, either by way of handbook, dungeon guide, or just going out and farming rep. By comparison it is MUCH MUCH easier to buy an elite monk tome, get HB and then join any ursan way group.
2. I have been 55'ing, and 600/smiting, they are both waaaaay easier than ursan way lol. A good 55'er needs to pre cast 4 ench, toss on prot and some smite, and ur good to go. I've done both and 55ing alone is way easier than Ursan in a pug, yet i bet most of the people who call ursan easy, 55 all day long. as for 600/smiting, the smiter actually stands there out of aggro and does nothing, which the 600 MASHES sprit bond, and waits to spam spell breaker, all easier than running an ursan build; I have been kicked from FoW/UW many times because newbs can't find the back line(which I seem to ONLY ping), or dont know how to chain KD's and such to stop a key resurrection etc... anyone who says Ursan is easy, hasn't run often enough in a PuG lurlz...

-Finally for Ursanway:
-(some GW:EN spolers There is no reason Ursanway can't be tied into the GW story line. The Charr have been able to harness the power of the Searing, the Asura have their gates, the dwarves can turn into stone... I think the Norn deserve to have an elite power which could turn the tide in a great war, don't you? Besides, ursan has no way of ruining the precious PvP balance. Now I'm done talking about ursan....

-I think that A-net is missing out on a great opportunity with the Polymock. Imagine if we could have Polymock PvP? or imagine you could Polymock cap skills from all creatures you've killed in zone/create hybrid polymock creatures? A-net could add so much re playability to GW if they opened polymock up to PvP. The most efficient way to do this would be to add a 'Challenge to Polymock' button to the trade window or something, which is grayed out until both traders can Polymock.


Ok people, thanks for reading!
I hope you all share your thoughts whether you agree or disagree, I will be better for having read them, thanks!

mHtt,
IGN's: Slayer Of Concepts(D), What A Good Name(Mo), Via Sunyata(Wa), Fkin Fragz(P), Gunga Malunga Gunga(Rt), Tathata Sangha(Me)

canto

canto

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

Bay Area, California "WEST SIDE!"

Archangels of Tormented Minds

E/Mo

I agree with you on most points, and i bet lot of others do also. The only real disagreement i have is in polymock PvP. It is a great idea, but because buying eotn is completely optional, not everyoine has polymock pieces, and A-net prolly doesnt want all the greif of people complaning. If they decided to work polymock into the rest of the games, i believe that it is a great idea. I like the personal, anywhere-anytime part of it also, rather than going to battle isles.

Sir Owns Alot EP

Sir Owns Alot EP

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

[Town]

P/W

Three million experience in fifty one days?

My Paragon, preety much the only character I've ever played, just passed one million and is a year old in a few weeks...

Other than that I agree. People cry too much about Ursan, but then again people like to complain about everything, anywhere, anytime. If it wasn't Ursan it would be some other "lol ez mode n00bz run doa like it waz suppozed to lork me cause i r l337". Its a game, and people get too emotionally invested in it.

Loaf The Warrior

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2007

Immortal Touch

W/Mo

All of the different campaigns are optional. So that would be like saying they shouldn't do Alliance Battles because you have to have factions. They did that? Just a thought. Not saying I do or don't like the idea. I guess it would depend on the titles it created and any rewards. I think it would be really neat if they did something like that where you could gamble and post the amount or items in a trade window and as soon as you accept the trade a 10 second counter or so starts and then off to battle. At the end of battle the winner gets it and it can't be cancelled. Even if you disconnect you would forfeit and it would go to other person. I think something like that would be fun. Although Anet probably wouldn't do that because that is gambling and wouldn't be good with the amount of kids that play GW aged 8ish (just a guess) and up.

warcrap

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

somewhere on earth!

E/Me

omfg you must have alot of time on your hands dude!!

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

1. Listing your experience/level/titles credentials is generally a sign of saying "I'm noob but won't admit it." Just don't do it. If you listed that you were top 8 in the WCG for warcraft3 or something, that'd be impressive. Otherwise no. If your opinions are sound and logical, people will know that you're experienced.
2. Anet has to ban people for swearing to comply with the fact that it's a 13+ (or general) game.
3. Ursanway takes no skill. There's no debate about it. All it takes is a bunch of repetitive farming to get to rank 8+. In comparison, I've seen bad HB monks that cause the team to wipe despite the consumables.
4. Polymock PvP would be great, but too bad Anet didn't care enough when they made it.

mHtt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

Ok, well the replies have been pretty well spken so far, with the exception of "holymasamune" which left me a tad confused:

he said: -"1. Listing your experience/level/titles credentials is generally a sign of saying "I'm noob but won't admit it." Just don't do it. If you listed that you were top 8 in the WCG for warcraft3 or something, that'd be impressive. Otherwise no. If your opinions are sound and logical, people will know that you're experienced."

I'm fairly certain the title of this thread ("2.5 Months in to GW, what a newb thinks.") is an admission that I am a newb. I may have been a tad ambiguous in this title but, it was meant to be self referential, to the author, who is me. The consolation being is that I'm the good kind of newb, who is humble, and is willing to invest time, and energy into getting a good experience not only for himself, but for all GW players.

Also he said: -"Anet has to ban people for swearing to comply with the fact that it's a 13+ (or general) game."
This is an interesting point, which leads me to wonder, does the content dictate the rating, or foes the rating dictate the content... If it is the latter (which I personally think it is...) I'm sure the ratings board must comply with A-Net's game design. Again, there is no swearing if the filter is turned on, making it a <13y/o game.

As for my ursan argument, u pretty much ignored all the points I made, giving me an excuse to do the same for you,

Finally, if your having a hard time believing my xp/time played claims, here (yes, 2.8millions isnt 3, but its damn close :


Ps, I spend my skill points on consumables almost immediately LOL... WTS stars of Transferrence anyone? LOL

canto

canto

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

Bay Area, California "WEST SIDE!"

Archangels of Tormented Minds

E/Mo

sorry if this is offtopic, please warn me if saying this is against some rule. "That is a sick armor combo!"

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mHtt
(Don't report ppl for swearing, turn filter on)
I have the filter off. And I report people for swearing.
Why?
Because "I" shouldn't distance myself from the world so that ignorant bastards can poison it with it's stupidity and ignorance.
Well and because of this:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php
"You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive language."
It's not your right to cuss in GW.
But I have the right to report your ass.

Quote: Originally Posted by mHtt
-The great ursanway debate. Ursan is bad.
BUT PvE in it's current state is even worse.
That's why I don't mind the skill existing.


Quote:
Originally Posted by mHtt
-I think that A-net is missing out on a great opportunity with the Polymock. The problem of Poly is that it promotes 1v1 battles. And GW is a team game. So I seriously doubt it would expand the re-playability of GW.
IF bringing Poly to PvP would require a bit of work - I'd be against against it. I'd rather they'd focus on things that are fun. If it could be done without much trouble - then I really don't mind them brining it. "I" don't need to play it - so having it there doesn't influence me in the slightest.

cerb

cerb

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Sept-Iles, QC, Canada

Les Tric??ratops Sont Nos [Amis]

Mo/

55 easier than Ursan?

No, let me tell you how it works. When you 55, the team revolves around you. Even if your SS/SV partner sucks, you will still kill foes eventually. Ursan IS simple and easy, do not get me wrong. Yes, people (pugs, particularily) often forget its limits and lead the group to death. But that doesn't make Ursan HARD, does it?
If you play SS/SV in UW with a 55 monk pug that keeps dying everytime a Nightmare pops up, does that make 55/SS hard?

55 is easy in theory, as you just need to recast stuff when it flashes. However, in practice it gets harder, because you sometimes have to deal with unexpected spawns, interrupts and things that you have no power over. For instance, doing Four Horsemen in 2-men was very hard at first, because we had to play against AI we ignored, rather than use our skill to overcome the challenge.

flettir

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Kabal of the Righteous [Seed]

Mo/

Yes, I agree with you on most of those points.
The possibility of being banned for swearing has me pretty annoyed too.
I don't actually know how real those threats are...I've cursed out some idiot that was annoying me, he reported me, but nothing ever happened. Maybe A-Net realized he's an idiot.

As for ursan...you bring up some very valid points.
My gripe with ursan is that...if you have to load up on consumables (steroids ) to make a build work in hard mode...well...it's not really much of a build is it? However, I agree that getting to high ranks of norn does take time and effort. Plus, ursan really helps people play together...I mean you try doing something hard with 3 rangers, a mesmer, and a sin in your group.

As for Polymock...let me assure you, you're far from the first to point this out. So I really hope that with the amount of complaint A-Net's gotten about that, they'll finally give in and make a Polymock Arena.

As a final note...great job achieving all that in under 3 months!

Willow O Whisper

Willow O Whisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Denmark

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

Me/A

Question is...... HOW THE HECK! Did you manage to get those pieces of fow in less than 2 months? übber farming? Ah come on tell me ^^ i'm in dieing need of a set *chough*

Terraban

Terraban

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper
Question is...... HOW THE HECK! Did you manage to get those pieces of fow in less than 2 months? übber farming? Ah come on tell me ^^ i'm in dieing need of a set *chough* Farming...

His Dervish has a staff....so possibly using some kind of farming build on a Dervish, maybe a smiter in 600.

BUT...more likely than not...
since he is obviously a hardcore supporter of UB, he probably rolls his face on the keyboard and wins in elite missions.

Edit: Was right with the second one....
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...14#post3756714

Eldin

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo


Kidding. This guy seems legit.

Accursed

Accursed

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by mHtt
Ok, well the replies have been pretty well spken so far, with the exception of "holymasamune" which left me a tad confused:

he said: -"1. Listing your experience/level/titles credentials is generally a sign of saying "I'm noob but won't admit it." Just don't do it. If you listed that you were top 8 in the WCG for warcraft3 or something, that'd be impressive. Otherwise no. If your opinions are sound and logical, people will know that you're experienced."

I'm fairly certain the title of this thread ("2.5 Months in to GW, what a newb thinks.") is an admission that I am a newb. I may have been a tad ambiguous in this title but, it was meant to be self referential, to the author, who is me. The consolation being is that I'm the good kind of newb, who is humble, and is willing to invest time, and energy into getting a good experience not only for himself, but for all GW players.

Also he said: -"Anet has to ban people for swearing to comply with the fact that it's a 13+ (or general) game."
This is an interesting point, which leads me to wonder, does the content dictate the rating, or foes the rating dictate the content... If it is the latter (which I personally think it is...) I'm sure the ratings board must comply with A-Net's game design. Again, there is no swearing if the filter is turned on, making it a <13y/o game.

As for my ursan argument, u pretty much ignored all the points I made, giving me an excuse to do the same for you,

Finally, if your having a hard time believing my xp/time played claims, here (yes, 2.8millions isnt 3, but its damn close :


Ps, I spend my skill points on consumables almost immediately LOL... WTS stars of Transferrence anyone? LOL Please, we don't care what your 'l337' character looks like or your armor/experience in Gw. I read until you started talking about your 'Slayer of All' character.

Mr Fizzle

Mr Fizzle

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

W/E

Can I see /age?

Umm not to be rude but most people can probaly guess what I'm thinking about life...

Washi

Washi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Ursan debate is getting so old.

If you really want to ignore how beautiful this game is, how much freedom you have in building your character, please go ahead and push ursan button. If that is what makes you happy, if pushing 3 buttons over and over paying no attention to the battlefield is cool and challenging.

Well I prefer to have fun, even if that means failing over and over in some HM dungeon untill I set my heroes right, and then when I finally beat it, that is not time wasted.

Bront

Bront

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Honored Order of Light

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by canto
I agree with you on most points, and i bet lot of others do also. The only real disagreement i have is in polymock PvP. It is a great idea, but because buying eotn is completely optional, not everyoine has polymock pieces, and A-net prolly doesnt want all the greif of people complaning. If they decided to work polymock into the rest of the games, i believe that it is a great idea. I like the personal, anywhere-anytime part of it also, rather than going to battle isles. They have Hero battles, and not everyone has Nightfall or EotN to unlock Heroes with.

Crunch

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

my main char is a monk that i've been playing for 32 months and it only has 1.4mil xp :x

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper
Question is...... HOW THE HECK! Did you manage to get those pieces of fow in less than 2 months? übber farming? Ah come on tell me ^^ i'm in dieing need of a set *chough* Dude, it's not that hard if you are a hardcore farmer.

Say one day he gets AT LEAST 20ectos, he can get FOW set in less than 10 days

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Fizzle
Can I see /age?

Umm not to be rude but most people can probaly guess what I'm thinking about life...
i hurd reading wuz gud its in the picture

not to be rude....

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

You have a lot of time on your hands.

Will you build me a boat?

House Silvermoon

House Silvermoon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

New York City

Retired

W/E

sry but no one cares bout the chat filter. and also ursan is fail, if u think its hard thats prolly cause the pugs ur with are too noob to handle it.

Willow O Whisper

Willow O Whisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Denmark

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

Me/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by yum
Dude, it's not that hard if you are a hardcore farmer.

Say one day he gets AT LEAST 20ectos, he can get FOW set in less than 10 days O_o that would mean no sleep no rest... And a huge aoument of luck

Terraban

Terraban

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper
O_o that would mean no sleep no rest... And a huge aoument of luck 2-3 Ectos a run.
1-1.5 hours a run.

100 hours for approximately 200 ectos, which would be around enough for FoW armor, calculating in the shards.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

To OP: Well seing ur summups u are no way a newb and gj on mashing the whiners, and I think Polymock PvP could be an engineous idea coz it will look like Pokemon yay!

being a big fan (even now) of Pokemon RPG series Polymock PvP seems very tasty, so if they can do they should.

Whine bashing on Ursan is also ok, If u grinded till r10 Ursan ur not a nub anymoar.

~Super Igor ~

t00115577

t00115577

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/

Um why would anybody in their right mind actually still farm ectos.

Being r10, he prob does DOA so much that his eyes are bleeding at this very moment, then buys ectos. Hence, FOW after 51 days.

Although, i dont believe that he is only playing for 51 days, sure THAT character is, lets see a full /age bar pls. Prove me wrong, if i am, i apologise in advance, but im fairly sure im not

Terraban

Terraban

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by t00115577
Being r10, he prob does DOA so much that his eyes are bleeding at this very moment, then buys ectos. Hence, FOW after 51 days. That is my guess...that is why he is intimately in love with his overpowered UB.

Cuilan

Cuilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by t00115577
lets see a full /age bar pls. OP hasn't returned and his Photobucket is set to hidden.

Barbie

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

Qu??bec

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by t00115577
Although, i dont believe that he is only playing for 51 days, sure THAT character is, lets see a full /age bar pls. Prove me wrong, if i am, i apologise in advance, but im fairly sure im not Title says he has been playing for 2.5 months, and that's more than 51 days. He hasn't lied yet, so chances are this is also true (or was true when he started this thread).

Lk Butler

Lk Butler

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

NJ

Penguins Of War (PoW)

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
You have a lot of time on your hands.

Will you build me a boat?
lol to that, and he spent 1/3 of his last 2.5 monthes working on it, if you wanna get really in depth, plus you gotta account for his other level 20s, so yea the guys played a lot i dont find it hard to believe any of that..

Ursan Debate=boring, if its in the game its not cheap thats how i see it

Lk Butler

Lk Butler

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

NJ

Penguins Of War (PoW)

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blizzard.
Please, we don't care what your 'l337' character looks like or your armor/experience in Gw. I read until you started talking about your 'Slayer of All' character. sorry for the double post dont sue... but why do u have to be rude, is it illegal to post a picture to prove all of his critics wrong?

Terraban

Terraban

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lk Butler
sorry for the double post dont sue... but why do u have to be rude, is it illegal to post a picture to prove all of his critics wrong? Max level grind title doesn't "prove" anything besides that you like to grind.

If the thread was "I like grinding" then he would have proved his point with the "Slayer of All" title. When his point is, "I am skilled at the game", the Slayer of All titles proves nothing.

Lk Butler

Lk Butler

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

NJ

Penguins Of War (PoW)

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraban
Max level grind title doesn't "prove" anything besides that you like to grind.

If the thread was "I like grinding" then he would have proved his point with the "Slayer of All" title. When his point is, "I am skilled at the game", the Slayer of All titles proves nothing. big deal? no need to chew him out for it is there?

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

He calls himslef a noob. But noobs CANT GRIND (!!!) they dont have a nerve for it, noobs get bored in seconds or try to grind stuff "little by little" or "when my mood is right", but we all know they wont get a shit this way, to be a successful title grinder u need to continuosly do the same thing, every game session till u get it, or u wont get it at all coz it will take way too long and u will lose ur focus.

Title grinding and all off the grinding isnt made for fun, its mostly a cyber-sport were u need to battle ur lazyness and other similar factors till u get what u whant, but when u get it the delightness u get from it would be almost impossible to discribe in words.

Noobs play for a sickenned idea of "fun", spend HOURS dancing behind a healer hench with their crappy Wammo in cheap platemail spamming guild and ally chat with sick and noobish trolling or annoy people and if they start to grind, 10 mins of it would be enough for them to call it "unhumanly difficult" and "boring" and that they play for "fun" which really isnt fun and isnt playing.

~Super Igor ~

Terraban

Terraban

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lk Butler
big deal? no need to chew him out for it is there? Well look at it this way...

You need your motor changed in your car. Someone claims they are more than qualified to change your motor. The reason they are so qualified to change the motor in your car is because they have had to change a flat tire on their car 648 times.

Just because they have changed their tire 648 times does not mean that they are a professional mechanic. Same thing here, he is claiming that he is experienced with the game because he has done the same task over and over again. People with any knowledge will know that him liking to grind does not make him experienced, nor does it make his opinion have any more weight than other people. Some people, like yourself, who obviously think very highly of the title (I am guessing you have it too? or want it?), think he is a superior human being for having it.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Agree on the swearing opinion, agree on the Ursan opinion.

As for the OP, I feel he'd have been better off leaving the rest of the details out.

Lk Butler

Lk Butler

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

NJ

Penguins Of War (PoW)

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Agree on the swearing opinion, agree on the Ursan opinion.

As for the OP, I feel he'd have been better off leaving the rest of the details out. but having people give him shit for it? come on now, its not a big deal

UnKn0wN415

UnKn0wN415

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bay Area

Looking 4 PvP Guild!

R/

I really think the OP isnt a who we think he is, dont think he is a noob but rather someone experience who is trying to pull off "Im a noob who has a leet armor"

Lk Butler

Lk Butler

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

NJ

Penguins Of War (PoW)

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by UnKn0wN415
I really think the OP isnt a who we think he is, dont think he is a noob but rather someone experience who is trying to pull off "Im a noob who has a leet armor" now why would he do that? jepordize his name, being called a noob, noone would do that for the attention, i know i sure as hell would rather be called a veteran player with leet armor then be a noob with leet armor