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21 Mar 2008 at 14:34 - 1

please can some start a petiton so people can vote for hero monks to stop healing minions. they totally waste all their energy doing so and never regain energy due to that. i'm just kinda ticked after i was in the desert and had to zone to keep survivor. dunkoro let olias die with a 10 minion army up because he was out of energy. i was up against only 3 hydras and a rockshot.

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

But I love when they cast Prot Spirit on an almost-dead fiend. QQ

ya that's the worst.

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Don't give Healing Breeze to healer heros. Problem solved.

oooook
[dunkoro;OwUUMiG/OIOx1fXGplM9301D0IA]
let's not assume things and then we don't look like asses, ok?
and i have prot spirit disabled

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

I wish they would, but it's quite a hard task. Minions are counted as allies and their job is to heal allies. Maybe you could try giving your minion master a minion heal and have control over when he uses it.

this is what olias is running and he was healing them fine on his own
[olias;OANEQSxW22A0mClsjKeoT8FlJA]
it's like richardt says below..they drop a few hp and hero monk spams everything he's got

AND..thank you guys at anet for all the great work you've been doing lately on the fow bug fixes. you guys responded so quickly to that problem. i was very impressed.

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

21 Mar 2008 at 14:35 - 2

But I love when they cast Prot Spirit on an almost-dead fiend. QQ

.../signed >_>

Numa Pompilius

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21 Mar 2008 at 14:41 - 3

Don't give Healing Breeze to healer heros. Problem solved.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

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[HiDe]

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21 Mar 2008 at 14:42 - 4

See there's useless posters coming into this thread as usual.

Well I agree and /signed. Because it's extremely annoying that hero's don't know how to manage their own energy when Anet could do something, you know like..uhh not having them heal minions? Unless they were lazy and made minions like NPCs which means taking away minions will take away their ability to heal NPCs during missions as well.

Zydonis

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21 Mar 2008 at 14:45 - 5

If you can't make heros work for you, take humans.

Unreal Havoc

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21 Mar 2008 at 14:46 - 6

Do player Monks heal minions when a Minion Master is capable of managing looking after them himself? No. So why should heroes do it? Please Arenanet give heroes some common sense.

/signed

Richardt

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21 Mar 2008 at 14:46 - 7

It is extremely annoying-but keep in mind also that hero monks suck at energy management.

It's like everytime you stub your toe, spam every healing skill you got.

But since there are other ways to heal without alot of energy issues, I don't really care.

Darkobra

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21 Mar 2008 at 14:47 - 8

I wish they would, but it's quite a hard task. Minions are counted as allies and their job is to heal allies. Maybe you could try giving your minion master a minion heal and have control over when he uses it.

Leonhart

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Ascalon City

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21 Mar 2008 at 14:49 - 9

People that say +1 should be insta-banned.

But I agree sometime healing minions can be pointless if you want them to die, they should add in some kind of code to list healing minions as a very loew priority.

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Mo/

21 Mar 2008 at 14:49 - 10

That's been going on forever. Doubt they'll fix it. I'll sign anyway though.

/signed

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

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21 Mar 2008 at 14:49 - 11

FYI: All off topic, +1 posts will be deleted and therefore will not be a +1 post. So don't do it.

zwei2stein

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21 Mar 2008 at 14:54 - 12

I din't see any minion-healing issues.

They pretty much only do it if they are at full energy, and they give minions lowest priority when other targets take damage. Just stand around with degening minion army and you would see that healers are not healing them a lot.

Only real problem is prot-spirit casting when foe suffers degen, but that is same for everyone.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

21 Mar 2008 at 14:55 - 13

/signed

I know minions are counted as allies and that the hero's job is to heal allies, but they literally waste their energy on them. Died a few times 'cause Drunkoro is dumb enough to heal a minion that's meant to DIE anyways (MM bomber) instead of me... or party members.

Simply make the MONKS/RIT HEALERS AI stop healing minions.

Mehnlo and Togo both get stuck on Vizunah 'cause of minion healing. It's incredibly annoying, and cost us masters a few times (normally I don't mind, but I helped people who were aiming for protector titles...)

wraithe

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

N/Me

21 Mar 2008 at 14:57 - 14

/signed

that has bugged me also...

would like to see that changed..but i doubt they will.

if you are doing the H/H thing..bring Eve for br it helps and she loves to use it.

wraithe

Eldin

Forge Runner

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America. How about you, commie?

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R/Mo

21 Mar 2008 at 14:58 - 15

/signed

Same should go for NPCs. My MM had to restart Vizunah Square twice cause Mhenlo was so busy healing minions he forgot to move with the party.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

21 Mar 2008 at 14:59 - 16

/notsigned coz Im evil >=]

Rly, if they make Monk Heroes more timid then all of out charcters will die long before GW2 comes out and the would be no cheildren of Heroes to show those nasty Dragons whos the boss.

I would recommed u to take N/Rts instead of Monks then, and please, there is a reason why nobody gives Prot Spirit to Monk Heroes but to Eles, Necs and whatnot.

~Super Igor

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Covah

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21 Mar 2008 at 15:00 - 17

Equip your monk hero with Infuse

works wonders on the minions.

/signed

N1ghtstalker

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21 Mar 2008 at 15:00 - 18

/signed
they're wasting all their energy
the MM heals them with blood of the master and that's it they don't need more

Winterclaw

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21 Mar 2008 at 15:03 - 19

Soundn't a N/mo be able to heal his own minions? IMO you should plan ahead knowing the limitations of the AI.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

21 Mar 2008 at 15:04 - 20

My D/N killed itslef with Orders once while my MM wuz casting Prut Spirit and Spirit Bund on it, i so lolled, please make the thing stay so we can laugh moar. QQ

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

21 Mar 2008 at 15:04 - 21

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

/notsigned coz Im evil >=]
I would recommed u to take N/Rts instead of Monks then, and please, there is a reason why nobody gives Prot Spirit to Monk Heroes but to Eles, Necs and whatnot

The prot henchies do the same thing. Can't really avoid them using Prot spirit, as it is on their bar, can't disable it.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

21 Mar 2008 at 15:04 - 22

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

I would recommed u to take N/Rts instead of Monks then, and please, there is a reason why nobody gives Prot Spirit to Monk Heroes but to Eles, Necs and whatnot.

Ever played minion bomber? I have. And every now and then, I notice that minions have weapons spells on them...

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

21 Mar 2008 at 15:08 - 23

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

Ever played minion bomber? I have. And every now and then, I notice that minions have weapons spells on them...

Wut!? And u can possibly call SW on Minions to be bombed bad??? Maaan u should run Minion Bomber moar often. :P

[Morkai]

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

Heroes of Elonia [HE]

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21 Mar 2008 at 15:08 - 24

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Originally Posted by Zydonis

If you can't make heros work for you, take humans.

Or Get better heroes and let the MM do the healing. Gogo.

Gift3d

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Join Date: Feb 2007

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21 Mar 2008 at 15:16 - 25

It is a fact that Tahlkora infuses minions.

I THINK they only heal minions when they are very high on energy. My Tahlkora only infused minions when there were no monsters around and when she had high energy... then again this is only an assumption because i've never watched to see if who she was infusing in combat actually was a minion.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

21 Mar 2008 at 15:32 - 26

Truth be told I haven't had a huge issue with them in ages. But then again - I rarely run a MM in places that would be so hard that the monks doing stupid things would cause trouble for the party.

But since it does not concern me - and it obviously is causing problems for other people - why not?
Sure, count me in!

Regulus X

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

N/A

D/W

21 Mar 2008 at 15:47 - 27

My suggestion is to have your minion master hero (or real player) bring Blood Ritual, or BiP even, for the monks. Also, Have your MM bring that enchantment spell that gives energy per health-sacrifice made so that he can spam his heals. It's a good thing that Monks heal minions because they're the ones that turn the tides of battle. You want the minions to stay alive, so I believe that hero monks should not stray from the awesome AI ability to heal minions on their own. I also usually have a 3-man healing/prot backline (comprised of a combination of Monks, N/Rts and/or Paragons).

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

21 Mar 2008 at 15:50 - 28

I agree with the issue the op has. But the thing is, heroes do so many annoying things beside this one. And from what I've read so far (Anet's dev interview and stuff), they made Hero's AI to be what it is FOR A REASON (I.E. They intend it to be this way).

So basically I don't see a change coming up anytime soon.

Darkobra

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21 Mar 2008 at 15:51 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldin

/signed

Same should go for NPCs. My MM had to restart Vizunah Square twice cause Mhenlo was so busy healing minions he forgot to move with the party.

I completely forgot about this. It has cost me Masters several times. Now it definitely needs a fix, seeing as I have no control over what Mhenlo can do.

MagmaRed

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Join Date: Mar 2007

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R/

21 Mar 2008 at 16:00 - 30

/unsigned

Monks use the same AI as any class when it comes to skills that target allies. Death Nova, Jagged Bones, Taste of Death, etc. are all used by lots of MMs, and tons of heroes. They target the minions.

The same AI function allows for skills like Protective Spirit, Heal Other, Word of Healing, and even Healing Breeze to work on anything but the caster. It does the same thing for spells like Spirit Light, Windborne Speed, Inspired Hex, etc. as well.

If you make it so hero Monks won't cast on minions, it means that Ritualist heroes won't cast spells on spirits, or any spell will get cast on NPCs like the Ghostly Hero, or any of the numberous allied NPCs for quests/missions.

I'd prefer to have those NPCs, spirits, etc. cast on then minions to be left alone.

Besides, if the MM takes care of the minions properly, the Monk won't be healing them much anyway.

Nightmares Hammer

Krytan Explorer

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21 Mar 2008 at 16:19 - 31

/signed

I don't play with humans anymore...

payne

Desert Nomad

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21 Mar 2008 at 16:26 - 32

SV on prot spirit minion - easy boss kills :P

/unsigned

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

21 Mar 2008 at 16:26 - 33

not signed ...

its a good thign to keep your minions longer alive, when your monks heal also the minions ..

the stupid thign about heroes is only their garbage AI ... and that we players are unable to control them really good, because the control system of heroes in GW simple sucks balls.

Would we players able to give our heroes real personal setted AI's, like in Final Fantasy 12 with the "Gambit System" , then would we have in GW a perfect hero System, where heroes would be able to micro manage themself due to an AI Setting given to them, created by the player itself, which tells the heroe, how to handle in all kinds of situations...

There would have the Monk hero then different gambits, which tell the Hero AI, which things the hero should heal, and which things NOT and especially you can tell then the AI, WHEN it should heal something ..

for example, if they should use Skill 1 at 50% health of party member A, or if they should use skill 1 first, when party member A is at under 25% health ...

FF12's gambit system is for personal setted AI's just ideal and its simple to understand and to use ...

Hailey Anne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/E

21 Mar 2008 at 16:39 - 34

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Originally Posted by Zydonis

If you can't make heros work for you, take humans.

Heroes > PuGs even when the Heroes arent working right

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Just stand around with degening minion army and you would see that healers are not healing them a lot.

I stand around in Arborstone waiting for Danika to open the damn gate instead shes trying to heal my minions as are my heroes even though Im making my MM spam BotM.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

21 Mar 2008 at 16:44 - 35

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Don't give Healing Breeze to healer heros. Problem solved.

Here comes Captain Clueless. The only guy in the world who thinks that Healing Breeze = Prot Spirit

*sigh*
/Signed
This should've been done back in 1997.

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Just stand around with degening minion army and you would see that healers are not healing them a lot.

No, thx, I saw Tahlkora cast Prot Spirit on minions many times, I don't need to see it 27 more times, I don't need to record it. Monks heal minions, monks prot minions.
This is bad, change it.

Sir Pandra Pierva

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21 Mar 2008 at 16:58 - 36

life barriar spam on minions ftw

also i did watch the infuser fun

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

21 Mar 2008 at 16:59 - 37

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Here comes Captain Clueless. The only guy in the world who thinks that Healing Breeze = Prot Spirit

*sigh*
/Signed
This should've been done back in 1997.

No, thx, I saw Tahlkora cast Prot Spirit on minions many times, I don't need to see it 27 more times, I don't need to record it. Monks heal minions, monks prot minions.
This is bad, change it.

This is not bad, this is good for MM's which tactic is it to have long living minions and not being minion bombers ..

also your monks shoot of their energy not only for minions -.- there are still up to 7 other party members, which want to get healed ...

when the monks shoot to quick out their energy, then simple sucks their ENERGY MANAGEMENT in kind of the build... for being played together with MM's in the team , or it are simple too less monks in the team... then are maybe 2 monks not enough, increase to 3 monks and see again, if it stays still so with the heavy energy loss ...

Otherwise the simple solution will be: put a god damn BiP necro into your party or/and a paragon, which should support your monks with Skills for Energy management ....

if this alone helps all not, then PLAY with PLAYERS !!!, because the AI of Heroes is simple shit .... with players you don't will have those problems of unwanted Minion Heals ...

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

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21 Mar 2008 at 17:02 - 38

yet with players you get monks actually charging for healing services.............on top of that you also get monks not healing certain people just cause the monk is an asshat

Siirius Black

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The Dragon's Lair

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21 Mar 2008 at 17:54 - 39

/notsigned
I never had any problem with this. I think there are more pressing problems that I would like fixed first.

Yeah , once in a while the AI messes up, but most of the time it does ok.

garethporlest18

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[HiDe]

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21 Mar 2008 at 18:38 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siirius Black

/notsigned
I never had any problem with this. I think there are more pressing problems that I would like fixed first.

Yeah , once in a while the AI messes up, but most of the time it does ok.

Maybe not for you but hero AI works for some and doesn't work for others, which is retarded as all get out.

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Besides, if the MM takes care of the minions properly, the Monk won't be healing them much anyway.

Except you left out about the part of minion bombers not wanting their minions to last. That's the whole point. It's not the MM's job to sit and spam BotM the whole battle. And no we will not just accept that's how it is, Anet needs to fix what's broken.