Sup vigor rune... it is worth it?

F3nd3rman22

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Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

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My main character is a warrior and I was just wondering if it is worth it to spend 15k for 50 hp, or the 2k for 41 hp for his armor. is the 9 hp worth the extra money?

miskav

miskav

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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If you're going for the 'I have perfect equips, OMgz I'm 1337' Thing, then yes.
Overall, the 9 hp wont matter all to much, and it's not worth the 13k difference.
(But that's just me).

Stormlord Alex

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Join Date: Dec 2005

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For general PvE, that 9hp really isn't worth it, tbh.

however, if you wanna be perfect and prepped for PvP, you take ever advantage you get.

Toutatis

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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For the huge difference in cost for a difference of only 9HP, in my opinion it would be better to go with the major. If you really wanted the extra HP, you could go for runes of vitae and/or survivor insignia along with the major vigor (the total cost of which would still be cheaper than a single superior vigor)

Solas

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9 hp doesn't really matter but you have the reassurance of knowing your character has every advantage health wise.

money wise its not worth the extra 13k but if your going for 15k armor you should get one of these first.

Tarun

Tarun

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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9hp makes a huge difference. It's often what keeps you alive.

I've had several times where I survive with only 7hp and I have a Sup. Vigor equipped.

turnkey1970

turnkey1970

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Join Date: Jul 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarun
9hp makes a huge difference. It's often what keeps you alive.

I've had several times where I survive with only 7hp and I have a Sup. Vigor equipped.
Exactly what I was going to say. Every single extra point of health counts, especially as a front-liner. Many times while vanquishing you will find yourself down to your last few points, those extra from the Superior will give you that extra second to click a skill or move away, or do what it takes to survive.

That's my two cents.

Hou Yuanjuai

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imo 9hp isnt worth 13k, but if you have money to waste then go for it.

Omega Precept

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If you plan on using your warrior as a runner I would defiantly spend the extra money to get that +9 hp. It makes financial sense, alot of runs you can charge 2-4k / person if you consider that If it saves you just a few times (which I promise it will) It will save you a few K.. in turn it will pay for its self.

Also, it's a must if you are going to be using your PvE Character for PVP. Every bit helps and that 9+hp could be the turning tide for your team.

Good luck!

Tarun

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I miss the days when these runes were 50k+. Absorption is now worthless because of their nerfs.

segnisletum

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

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I've dropped below 10 hp several times and lived. And everytime I have I am thankful I dropped the 13k.

Aerian_Skybane

Aerian_Skybane

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

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I have only used them when I got them in the course of pickups (however rare). So only my Ranger and my Warrior are equipped with them. IMHO for general PvE they are not work the extra cash. Actually, come to think of it, they are great for selling, and then spend a portion of the proceeds to pay for a major.

But, as a vanity item, they are not that expensive.

For specialized cases, the +9HP can help (in PvE). In PvP every edge you have as an individual is well worth the price. In PvE, the price is too steep (even now, compared to what they used to be) to justify IMHO.

canto

canto

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarun
I miss the days when these runes were 50k+. Absorption is now worthless because of their nerfs.
I remember when i had a sup vigor during the 99k spike in 05. That was a crazy night. Personally, i wouldn't go for 13k for 9 hp, but if u got enough money, it helps alot. I was learning to run droks(back wehn it was 10k) and the double runners died, i was the only one left, i came outa the last cave of enemies with 1hp and got to droks. Crazy day

Tyla

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Join Date: Sep 2006

The only place it would truly be worth it is PvP -- but then it, like perfect mods, weapons, armour ect. will be needed.

If this is concerning PvE -- get it if you want, but yeah, that 9hp can keep you alive.

Serenitysong

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I use superior vigor runes because I think every little bonus helps some. They add up. However, I don't believe they are necessary. If you have the gold to spend then I would get one and if you don't I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Barbie

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

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Of course they are useful, but I wouldn't spend 13k for 9 hp (although I did =P but I wanted a "perfect" character and was comfortable with my wealth). I suggest buying a Major Vigor one and using a Superior Vigor one if you ever find one as a loot, but don't buy it unless you think you are rich enough.

itsvictor

itsvictor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

I love the 1/8 a second I get from that +9 for the monk to finish casting a heal to save me. It's worth it for pvp because every little bonus counts. It's up to you for pve but if you plan to bring that character into pvp, please buy the sup vig.

kobey

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Why settle for 41hp if you can go for 50hp? (that is if you can afford the rune prices)

Functionality over looks imo here ... will be weird if you see someone in fow armor but too stingy to spend on a sup vigor rune.

If price is a problem, probably try to farm the rune or settle for a major till you can afford one I remember back then, sup vigors were like 75k, and that is one good reason to consider major vs sup vigor.

Dallcingi

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For pvp yeah.... all the health matters; every little one of it.

Admael

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EDIT: I did end up merching most of the sup absorbs I found, no one ever offered better than the merchant ;x

Darkobra

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Admael
Ah, memories...

EDIT: I did end up merching most of the sup absorbs I found, no one ever offered better than the merchant ;x
I remember those days. Black dyes were around 20k each as well.

As for the runes, you're not going to notice 9hp in PvE most of the time. If you have disposable income, go for it. If not, there's no real rush for one.

saleenman

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

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ya i got a sup as a drop and these guys are right that 9 hp makes a hell of a lot of differnce when u are doing runs

Draginvry

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If you have the armor you intend to keep for the rest of the game, and you are bursting with cash, you might as well get the sup. Otherwise, just wait until you get your final armor and settle for the cheaper rune.

9hp does make a difference, but so does 13k. If you plan to spend your money on other things, you'll be kicking yourself for spending the money on 9hp that could have gone into, let's say, skills or weapon mods.

And I already promise that skills or weapon mods are going to make a bigger difference to your character than 9hp

Dono

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As the other have said, it doesn't matter that much at all in pve and i personally think its not that bug of deal in pvp. But every little helps I suppose . . . . . . .

StormDragonZ

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Join Date: Jan 2008

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Before prices went obscure, I gave my characters Major Vigor and my heroes Minor Vigor. Thank goodness I don't bother trying to buy Minor Vigor anymore.

Superior Vigor is just not worth it unless you really want 9 extra HP.

Eldin

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Sup Vigors and Sup Abses used to be the ultimate tome of richness (well runewise). Sup Vigors are still fairly pricey, IMO a weapon modifier/survivor insignia is a better alternative, just sell the sup vigors.

snaek

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i wouldnt buy a sup rune
it doesnt make a diff in normal play
only in pvp and high-end pve
but if ur doin high-end pve....u wouldve found at least 2 or 3 sup vigors by now

i never bought a single sup vigor
and multiple charas have sup vigors
aasss well as multiple heroes as well

sup better than maj...yesh
worth payin teh 10kmore?....hell no

angmar_nite

angmar_nite

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Join Date: Feb 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by snaek
i wouldnt buy a sup rune
it doesnt make a diff in normal play
only in pvp and high-end pve
but if ur doin high-end pve....u wouldve found at least 2 or 3 sup vigors by now

i never bought a single sup vigor
and multiple charas have sup vigors
aasss well as multiple heroes as well

sup better than maj...yesh
worth payin teh 10kmore?....hell no
Most people are lucky to see 2 drop in all their time gaming.. Where you play doesn't make a difference.

Sir Tidus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

I say it's worth it, because money is unimportant. It makes your character stronger, therefore you should try to get it unconditionally. In Guild Wars, there's only one max, one perfection, so you can't get that extra health any other way.

Bowstring Badass

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kobey
Why settle for 41hp if you can go for 50hp? (that is if you can afford the rune prices)

Functionality over looks imo here ... will be weird if you see someone in fow armor but too stingy to spend on a sup vigor rune.

If price is a problem, probably try to farm the rune or settle for a major till you can afford one I remember back then, sup vigors were like 75k, and that is one good reason to consider major vs sup vigor.
I remember Superior Absorption at 100k...

But for PvE the 9 health really won't make a difference. In PvP you want all the advantages you can get.

Eldin

Eldin

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Quote:
Originally Posted by angmar_nite
Most people are lucky to see 2 drop in all their time gaming.. Where you play doesn't make a difference.
So true. Only one ever dropped for me in my 2 years of GW playing, and it was from Ettin rune farming, which is now nerfed.

For PvP though, considering it's costless, extra health is always good.

drey2k

drey2k

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sup vigor imo is only worth it if you're putting it on elite armor.

Adamus Felkerus

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

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i know that i will be always kicking myself over this

in the final days of ettin farming i found two sup vigors and a sup absorption, i used the absoption on my war for farming and sold the vigors
at that point the absorptions were still worth 70k, but by the next week they were 5k i was royaly defeated, plus, they nerfed the ettins at that point

in any case i say that once youve got the cash sup vigors are worth it because every hit point helps

RavagerOfDreams

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pvp yes it is
pve no its not

cosyfiep

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after almost 3 years of playing this game I still dont have a character with a sup vigor rune--used! I have one that has one in a backpack, but never applied it to anything. No need
So save the cash from something else and just go with the major (unless you get a nice drop then I would use it, unlike me who still doesnt know what to do with the one I have).

Zena Starlight

Zena Starlight

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
pvp yes it is
pve no its not
QFT. If your just doing pve you can just use a minor vigor or not even you one at all and it won't penalize you too much.

Pvp on the other hand.... the 50 hp is pretty important to stay alive.

drey2k: You can still like non-elite armors :P

FengShuiDove

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Just yesterday... yesterday... in RA I dropped down to 1 health with a Sup Vigor on. Kited, used res on a teammate, slapped Restful Breeze on and regenerated, and ended up winning the match.

Every little bit counts. Though admittedly, I hadn't had one until I decided it was finally time just recently.

zling

zling

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Join Date: Apr 2006

if you're buying those Sephis Axes, Magma Shields and 15k armors than by all means buy Superior Vigor as it will help and you dont lack the money.
however if you do lack the money than save anywhere you can and get a Major(if any)
PvP Wise it's a must however, at least if you're serious about PvP

angmar_nite

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Sephis axes??

Alex Morningstar

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Admael
Ah, memories...



EDIT: I did end up merching most of the sup absorbs I found, no one ever offered better than the merchant ;x
I bought one from the merchant for 75k, way back when.

Then a week later, prices crashed hard.