The Z chest was added into the game to give rewards to PvPer who already were UAX and had no use for their balthizar faction. Tournement tokens were added, but those proved pointless, so the chest was then added. But what about the PvE'er. Alot of hardcore PvE'er have hundreds of skill points, with not use. There are comsumables, but most of the time, you get more skill points back that spend when you use them where they are meant to be used, in HM Elite missions. This brings me to my suggestion, add skill points to balth faction and tournement reward points to the list of items to use toward z keys.
At least 10 skill points should be used per key, this is around 150K Xp, more than the first rank of the survivor title. This should take longer to get than 5k faction in pvp, or pve (z challege).
Pros:
Skill points will have value now: Currently Skill Points are pointless. Most people already have the skills they want, or have way to many points to worry about using them up.
Scrolls will have value and be used : Currently rare Xp scolls are merchant fodder. Once getting skill points have a use, people will start buying them and using them to grain more points.
Comsumable would be used less: Skill point woul dhave value bringing up the value of comsumables, so people trying to maximize profit would try clearing areas without wasting skill points on comsumables. This wouldactually add some some challege into the game.
Cons:
Z-chest would no longer be mainly pvp only, of course with z challege, it never been totally pvp only
Havok in market: the first day it is added, there will be havok in the marketplace like the first day the chest was added.
Using skill points for Z keys
Shadowmoon
Marverick
Skill points rewards farmers more than anyone else.
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Limu Tolkki
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Skill points rewards farmers more than anyone else.
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/signed btw
Solas
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Skill points rewards farmers more than anyone else.
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its just more incentive to farm.
would be a nice idea tho, but the farmer thing.
/Not-signed
N1ghtstalker
i'm having trouble already getting skillpoints for my skillhunter titles oO
/notsigned
and if you got massive farmers with 30 mil xp they'll be sellin keys like hot pockets
/notsigned
and if you got massive farmers with 30 mil xp they'll be sellin keys like hot pockets
Lorinda
Keep the Zaishen to PvP only. The only 2 outside PvP zaishens should be Jin and Sousuke.
Also the Pve world has loads and loads of high value chests.
Keep it that way.
/notsigned.
Also the Pve world has loads and loads of high value chests.
Keep it that way.
/notsigned.
Abedeus
People often have 1k+++ skills points on farm characters (Assassins, Elementalists and Monks, sometimes Rits and Warriors too). So 1000 skill points = 100 zaishen keys = 450k? Are you mad? Oo
Dallcingi
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zaishen is for pvp...
pveres got fow and uw etc etc... u got rewards there too!
zaishen is for pvp...
pveres got fow and uw etc etc... u got rewards there too!
MithranArkanere
Even if you said 'for PvP characters only' Stars of Transference already exist.
Sorry, but Balthazar wants you to fight in the arenas he is watching before you being rewarded.
Sorry, but Balthazar wants you to fight in the arenas he is watching before you being rewarded.
Legendary Shiz
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People often have 1k+++ skills points on farm characters (Assassins, Elementalists and Monks, sometimes Rits and Warriors too). So 1000 skill points = 100 zaishen keys = 450k? Are you mad? Oo
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100 keys would = like 250k. At the VERY MOST, maybe 300k.
zwei2stein
Well, this huge skill-point dump would be one-time only, and you have consumables competing for those SPs.
I would laugh at people who wasted every single SP on this while i sell them consumables for ridiculous prices.
I would laugh at people who wasted every single SP on this while i sell them consumables for ridiculous prices.
Tyla
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Balth points too hard for you...?
Balth points too hard for you...?
Eldin
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I'll be fabulously rich, and we know God wouldn't like that.
I'll be fabulously rich, and we know God wouldn't like that.
Chthon
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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
The Z chest was added into the game to give rewards to PvPer who already were UAX and had no use for their balthizar faction. Tournement tokens were added, but those proved pointless, so the chest was then added. But what about the PvE'er. Alot of hardcore PvE'er have hundreds of skill points, with not use. There are comsumables, but most of the time, you get more skill points back that spend when you use them where they are meant to be used, in HM Elite missions. This brings me to my suggestion, add skill points to balth faction and tournement reward points to the list of items to use toward z keys.
At least 10 skill points should be used per key, this is around 150K Xp, more than the first rank of the survivor title. This should take longer to get than 5k faction in pvp, or pve (z challege). Pros: Skill points will have value now: Currently Skill Points are pointless. Most people already have the skills they want, or have way to many points to worry about using them up. Scrolls will have value and be used : Currently rare Xp scolls are merchant fodder. Once getting skill points have a use, people will start buying them and using them to grain more points. Comsumable would be used less: Skill point woul dhave value bringing up the value of comsumables, so people trying to maximize profit would try clearing areas without wasting skill points on comsumables. This wouldactually add some some challege into the game. Cons: Z-chest would no longer be mainly pvp only, of course with z challege, it never been totally pvp only Havok in market: the first day it is added, there will be havok in the marketplace like the first day the chest was added. |
Oh yeah, the 1-day market pop. Oh well. We've survived 1-day market pops before and we can do so again.
And the non-PvP-ification of the ZChest? That's not a problem at all. In fact, that's a solution to what I see as the biggest problem with the ZChest -- it doles out such massive amounts of PvE wealth to PvPers that PvEers, even extremely hardcore PvEers, end up with their buying power diluted. No amount of farming, or repeatedly running elite zones, or any other PvE-activity is half as profitable as farming noobs for ZKeys. Putting farming (even if for XP) back on par with PvP play as a way of generating PvE wealth would be a very good thing indeed.
360??
1000 skill points per key and I'm fine with that. /notsigned
Natures Spirt
pros
-the cost of Z keys would drop like an anvil
cons
-the z chest wouldn't drop rare stuff anymore
-the cost of Z keys would drop like an anvil
cons
-the z chest wouldn't drop rare stuff anymore
Crom The Pale
/signed, but they need to level it to something reasonable.
the argument about farmers is pointless, when the chest was first introduced many PvP vets hat 100 000+ balth faction points to turn in for keys.
Perhaps 10 skill points for 1 Z-Key is a better break point?
the argument about farmers is pointless, when the chest was first introduced many PvP vets hat 100 000+ balth faction points to turn in for keys.
Perhaps 10 skill points for 1 Z-Key is a better break point?
Arkantos
Pretty sure zaishen chests were to reward pvpers, not grinding pvers.
Crom The Pale
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Pretty sure zaishen chests were to reward pvpers, not grinding pvers.
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I mean they could have set it up so that they had better or every possible skin/armor unlocks via the Balth faction, but no they get a sellable PvE weapon/tome/creme/ect...
I would bet most all of the PvP players that turned in points for Keys either sold the items or sold the keys themselves.
And I don't recall any $100,000 reward for PvE players.......!
Mike_version2
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and.....?
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And I don't recall any $100,000 reward for PvE players.......!
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Stella/Shin
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quicker to get skill points in pve and the zaishen chest is for pvp, you're jsut encoraging PvE chars to use the zaishen chest more often
quicker to get skill points in pve and the zaishen chest is for pvp, you're jsut encoraging PvE chars to use the zaishen chest more often
Yawgmoth
I can grind 25 skillpoints per hour, exchanging them for zkeys would be fantastic! Wowzor!
What a stupid idea, really.
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What a stupid idea, really.
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Zahr Dalsk
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Because currently skill points have no actual purpose for me.
Either this or remove the fee to learn a skill that we've unlocked already.
Because currently skill points have no actual purpose for me.
Either this or remove the fee to learn a skill that we've unlocked already.
Arkantos
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So why exactly are PvP players getting PvE rewards?
I mean they could have set it up so that they had better or every possible skin/armor unlocks via the Balth faction, but no they get a sellable PvE weapon/tome/creme/ect... I would bet most all of the PvP players that turned in points for Keys either sold the items or sold the keys themselves. And I don't recall any $100,000 reward for PvE players.......! |
The reason there was no $100,000 reward for PvE is because nobody should be rewared for killing bad AI. There's a difference between winning a tournament against some of the best PvPers in the game then killing bad AI.
stretchs
Its a good way to implement another use of skill points? Probably going to hear too much QQ for the PVP groups about it, so maybe something else I dunno, but i know I have over 500 skill pts unused on 2 dif chars that cannot cap anything else =[
tankity tank
Grant 5k faction to a pvp character when they gain a skillpoint instead.
IMHO, go buy more consumables.
IMHO, go buy more consumables.
stretchs
The consumable buying with skill points I have yet to even bother with, no need for those really. In reality the concept of using 10sp's for 1 z key isnt a bad idea, just brings about tons of QQ from the PVP crowd cause they wont be the only ones that get the keys.
Splitisoda
/notsigned
If this happened, people would keep making NF chars, do the NF mission, and probably get like 1-2 zaishen keys ever 20 minutes?
If this happened, people would keep making NF chars, do the NF mission, and probably get like 1-2 zaishen keys ever 20 minutes?
yum
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stretchs
That is your interpretation of why it was put in there. There are many reasons that it was inserted into the game, from your suggestion, to getting more pve people into pve for those type of rewards, to finding other ways to introduce new items and so on. Remember personal opinion is not fact.....
Arkantos
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The consumable buying with skill points I have yet to even bother with, no need for those really. In reality the concept of using 10sp's for 1 z key isnt a bad idea, just brings about tons of QQ from the PVP crowd cause they wont be the only ones that get the keys.
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If ANet let you buy zaishen keys with skill points, zaishen keys are going to be pretty much worthless, and there are going to be tons of more rares in the economy.
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Tyla
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It's a fact that the zaishen chest was added into the game for PvPers to waste faction on them.
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Mind you, what PvP'er ISN'T UAX?
stretchs
10 sp - 25 sp whatever, as for your fact, please enlighten us all where your "fact" evidence is at. This chest drops items that are typically PVE in nature, you trying to argue otherwise is nonsense. The fact that finding other ways to use Skill Points is what this started on, if they said use 100sp, whatever the # it would be a good additional use just like the unuseable balthy faction that others have. These unuseable skill points are useless much like your faction so please look at it from the same why all the QQ did when you saw all the balthy faction that you had no place to dump it for.
Arkantos
25 is still nothing.
My evidence that the zaishen chest was added for PvPers is, well, the fact that the only way to get zaishen keys is via PvP.
There needs to be other uses for skill points, yes. This isn't a great solution.
My evidence that the zaishen chest was added for PvPers is, well, the fact that the only way to get zaishen keys is via PvP.
There needs to be other uses for skill points, yes. This isn't a great solution.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by stretchs
10 sp - 25 sp whatever, as for your fact, please enlighten us all where your "fact" evidence is at. This chest drops items that are typically PVE in nature, you trying to argue otherwise is nonsense. The fact that finding other ways to use Skill Points is what this started on, if they said use 100sp, whatever the # it would be a good additional use just like the unuseable balthy faction that others have. These unuseable skill points are useless much like your faction so please look at it from the same why all the QQ did when you saw all the balthy faction that you had no place to dump it for.
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...+ sink+please
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...+ sink+please
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...+ sink+please
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...+ sink+please
To name a few.
No matter how much SP to trade for it, it wouldn't be as...*worth*.
These links are also proving they were for PvP'ers on balth faction by the way.
Phoenix Tears
pve's should be able to trade in for Skill Points Flames of Balthazar ..
3 Points/5 Points = 1 Flame of Balthazar
Or use Skills Points to trade them in for Lightbrigner/SS,Asura/Norn ect. Reputation ...
10 Points = 1000 Rep Points
or
Trade in 1 Point and get somewhere 100g for it
or become able to trade in Skill Points against Alcohol ,Sweets and Party Stuff that gives 1 Point/Minute
or become able to trade in with Skill Points Rare Materials
5 points per 1 piece of a randomous rare material
there are so many ways to give Skill points a better usage
3 Points/5 Points = 1 Flame of Balthazar
Or use Skills Points to trade them in for Lightbrigner/SS,Asura/Norn ect. Reputation ...
10 Points = 1000 Rep Points
or
Trade in 1 Point and get somewhere 100g for it
or become able to trade in Skill Points against Alcohol ,Sweets and Party Stuff that gives 1 Point/Minute
or become able to trade in with Skill Points Rare Materials
5 points per 1 piece of a randomous rare material
there are so many ways to give Skill points a better usage
StormDragonZ
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Skill points will have value now: Currently Skill Points are pointless. Most people already have the skills they want, or have way to many points to worry about using them up.
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Not everyone uses Regular and/or Elite Skill Tomes.
Tearz1993
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/notsigned
If this happened, people would keep making NF chars, do the NF mission, and probably get like 1-2 zaishen keys ever 20 minutes? |
/notsigned for reasons already stated
yum
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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears
pve's should be able to trade in for Skill Points Flames of Balthazar ..
3 Points/5 Points = 1 Flame of Balthazar Or use Skills Points to trade them in for Lightbrigner/SS,Asura/Norn ect. Reputation ... 10 Points = 1000 Rep Points or Trade in 1 Point and get somewhere 100g for it or become able to trade in Skill Points against Alcohol ,Sweets and Party Stuff that gives 1 Point/Minute or become able to trade in with Skill Points Rare Materials 5 points per 1 piece of a randomous rare material there are so many ways to give Skill points a better usage |
Limu Tolkki
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What I have bolded is the only reason why I will not sign.
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Maybe 10 skill points per key or something like that. Skill points really need some usage.