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Talarian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Ninth Legion [TNL]

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22 Mar 2008 at 00:57 - 41

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Sorry can't help but laugh at that one who would pay an extra 0 just to flame someone? the 10k mistaken for 1k is just an example of putting in the extra 0. Please have some actual proof if you are implying that they keep the trade log.

Support cannot retrieve or replace any lost gold or items in instances where a player is scammed by another player-Anet Support

Firstly, how do you think they caught all the dupers? Guesswork? And second, their policy is there to stop thousands of people contacting support every day hoping to get back what they were stupid enough to lose. It is a good policy. It does not mean that they don't keep logs of every single action that takes place on their servers. To not do would be foolish.

DivineEnvoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Me/P

22 Mar 2008 at 01:06 - 42

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Originally Posted by guolisong

How's that making assumption? Whites are around 50g each at merchant and please if seriously you can get 100k 1 day by merching there won't be that many people who complain about being poor.

It is not even difficult to farm 10k per hour by only selling to merchants. Let's say you farm for 10 hours, and that'll be 100k. Knowing that one day equals to 24 hours, let's say you spend 14 hours doing something else like sleep or eat, it is still possible to get 100k within one day, in that sense. How's that so hard to believe?

Not everyone likes to spend their time farming, and sometimes, people don't like to spend their time doing the most profitable tasks in the game. And just because people would complain about them being poor, it doesn't imply there are no efficient methods to farm 100k a day.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Sorry can't help but laugh at that one who would pay an extra 0 just to flame someone? the 10k mistaken for 1k is just an example of putting in the extra 0.

There are all kinds of people out there.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Support cannot retrieve or replace any lost gold or items in instances where a player is scammed by another player-Anet Support

They can, but the task will be too time-consuming. They will also have to determine whether the support ticket about being hacked is a fraud or not. Also, there will be a need to determine whether the people who were given these items to are part of this hack or were they just innocent traders or even buddies of this victim. Even worse, they have to look up the time interval to when this person was hacked. It's only logical to not to bother with this at all.

Talarian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Ninth Legion [TNL]

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22 Mar 2008 at 01:10 - 43

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Firstly I don't believe they caught all the dupers. Or else there won't be a thread about armbrace market crash down. Human beings are not machines, they make mistakes, everyone had an incident where they accidentally merched something. Just because you think they should keep a trade log doesn't mean they are keeping one.

Thank you for proving my point. EVERYONE has accidentally merched something. Do you want to be the guy who has to deal with that? Day after day, trawling through millions of transactions, over and over again? No-one would do that, and no-one would pay someone to do that. Easier to say no-one can get back items than to say some can.

And no, they didn't catch all the dupers. Because the clever ones didn't use them in TRADES until just recently. Now, Anet can't be sure where the AoT's being traded now come from, without the aforementioned trawling back through what would now be billions of transactions.

pablo24

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

22 Mar 2008 at 01:26 - 44

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Millions of transactions you say? How in the tyria would they keep all those transactions if they are never going to use it? Duper catcher? I believe that have something to do with reporting seeing 7 stacks of Armbraces? Like you said millions of transactions, so you actually believe they went through millions of transactions to find the dupers I don't think so. "No-one would do that, and no-one would pay someone to do that. Easier to say no-one can get back items than to say some can."

It's so hard believe because the gold farmers in hotsprings farm outside of hotsprings not some place like factions of eotn dungeons. Simple take a screen shot of your talented farming ability to shut me up. remember to type /age to time yourself.

Oh so you are saying that 99% of those people who put in the extra 0 is to flame the seller? I doubt I'd be the only one that disagrees.

Please stay on topic if you'd like to discuss farming 100k in 1day contact me in game or leave a pm.

They do keep logs of EVERYTHING, how is that so hard to understand? They just have their servers log all the packets in text files. Doesn't even take up thaaat much space. They don't restore gold and stuff because of their policies, if they did restore it then the support might get tricked like it sometimes happens in WoW.

DivineEnvoy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Me/P

22 Mar 2008 at 01:38 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by guolisong

It's so hard believe because the gold farmers in hotsprings farm outside of hotsprings not some place like factions of eotn dungeons. Simple take a screen shot of your talented farming ability to shut me up. remember to type /age to time yourself. And why do you think they would merch their golds when they can sell gold unided 7=5k?

Oh so you are saying that 99% of those people who put in the extra 0 is to flame the seller? I doubt I'd be the only one that disagrees.

Please stay on topic if you'd like to discuss farming 100k in 1day contact me in game or leave a pm.

Are you just trying to learn my farming method?

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

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22 Mar 2008 at 01:38 - 46

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I've bought tons of stuff from gold sellers/farmers. This is why I have every mod possible unlocked on my account.

I don't believe you for some reason and you are kidding.It would be nice without getting banned.It is the American way after all. JR would do this Ewing that is.

Dallcingi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

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22 Mar 2008 at 01:40 - 47

This is like buying gold....... so I do not like this idea.

Talarian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Ninth Legion [TNL]

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22 Mar 2008 at 01:41 - 48

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Millions of transactions you say? How in the tyria would they keep all those transactions if they are never going to use it? Duper catcher? I believe that have something to do with reporting seeing 7 stacks of Armbraces? Like you said millions of transactions, so you actually believe they went through millions of transactions to find the dupers I don't think so. "No-one would do that, and no-one would pay someone to do that. Easier to say no-one can get back items than to say some can."

Are you being intentionally slow or were you actually dropped on your head as a child? There is no benefit to Anet to undo all fraudulent trades or mistaken merches. However, the duping issue was one they did want to fix because they could see how badly it would effect the economy.

I could report you right now for having 7 stacks of armbraces. I could even photoshop a screenie to "prove" that you did. Would that result in you getting banned? No, because they would check back through records to make sure. Most likely scenario is that I would get banned.

Finally, try and be a bit more imaginative. The reason why they keep trade records is so that they can keep track of price trends, see what sort of items people use regularly, what skins are valued highest, etc. There will be a program they use to track these things, probably a simple text parser running through the files the poster above me mentioned. That way, they can adjust drop rates, introduce things such as the Zaishen Chest, and figure out where to place new items.

Talarian

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

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22 Mar 2008 at 02:01 - 49

I give up. If you want to live in your deluded little world where things are only how you believe them to be, and not how they logically should be, feel free. I can't see how it hurts you to think that Anet keeps trade logs, but apparently it does. You should see someone about that. I don't have to prove anything to you, just as I'm not asking you to prove to me that they don't keep logs. Enjoy your ignorance, you must be a very happy person.

Buddhaofwar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

Flying Gophers

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22 Mar 2008 at 02:05 - 50

If they have what I need, I'll usually buy it. speeds things up, such as the tome seller. sure beats having to look around for 20+ minutes for someone with the exact number of tomes I need. It's like having a little crooked vending machine wandering around speaking broken English.

Daenara

Bad Romance

Join Date: May 2006

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22 Mar 2008 at 04:50 - 51

Hey, that's my name! -_-

Look, obviously I don't have a problem buying from people who speak chinese. I have seen bots here, who put up 7 decayed orr armors or the like, but I've also had many very funny conversations with people with both of us trying to bridge the language barrier.

I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume that everyone there is a gold seller, just because they're chinese tbh.

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

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22 Mar 2008 at 04:59 - 52

Isn't showing user names from screen shots not allowed?

DarklingKiller

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

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22 Mar 2008 at 05:05 - 53

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Originally Posted by guolisong

As the title states.
In game gold farmers: They get paid in real life for farming in Guild Wars.
Items: Tomes,Holiday Items,Ectos etc.

The following are my personal opinions and if you have nothing better to say than getting your +1 post count go post somewhere else. All flames, off topic comments should be redirected to my pm box =).

Reasonable enough players in game go for the cheapest deal.(ex. Daily Hot Spring International Traders) That's where RMT companies get their major source of in game gold. There won't a end to RMT companies no matter how they change the RMT policy.

Caption: Typical Hot Spring International Trade Channel. Go check it out if you think this is from somewhere else.

No offense... but you shouldn't be an ass and put up Arala's name in that screenshot in the first place and you also breach one of the screenshot rules. She also has a very fair point, just because they're Asian, that doesn't mean they're bots. When I was farming in Bergens for the weekend in the int district, I can see Asian named people talking and interacting with other players. I high doubt a bot can engage in a conversation with obviously real players. A-net supposedly bans all bots they see around in the game and many can't just keep creating accounts due to the new IP ban.

Velise_Snowtorm

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Forever Knights

22 Mar 2008 at 07:45 - 54

I won't buy from what appears to be a gold farmer, mostly out of fear that my account might be banned out of association. Even if they offer cheap goods, I'm just afraid to be twapped with the "ban first ask questions later" stick.

I usually trade only in my Kamadan home district, or on forums or auctions.

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

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22 Mar 2008 at 07:46 - 55

My stance: No. If they can farm it, then so can you. Only way I would buy something is if I want a Factions/Prophecies only skin with a specific Inscription *since those don't come inscribed*

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

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22 Mar 2008 at 08:43 - 56

I read this interesting article on RMT/gold-seller:
http://www.zenofdesign.com/?p=1026

I am in total agreement with this article, see excerpts:

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Is it entirely rational? No. But the concept of what is right and wrong is, ultimately, a societal concept, and ultimately, while designers can try to change player perceptions of what’s fair, there are also times when the community makes the declaration, and the company is forced to respond, or risk becoming irrelevant. [..]

But then again, there is an issue of incumbency as well. People often point out that the debate about RMT is ultimately a debate between those who have money, and those who have time. Currently, those who have time are winning the debate, largely because they dominate the 18-24 segment that acts as the core of the market, and also tend to be the most vocal evangelists for the game. The 30+ year olds that make up the ‘money’ part of the market don’t quite spend so much time on blogs and message boards because…well… they don’t have the time. But look out - a new market is coming, and this new market of 12-18 year olds has been trained by the internet to shell out via microtransactions for all sorts of digital goods, from ring tones and Xbox desktops to virtual goods in games like Habbo Hotel and Club Penguin. Their attitudes towards RMT could be very different from the previous generation of MMO players - provided the new blood gets prices they perceive as ‘fair’. The explosion will likely be tremendous.

On other hand, I'll argue that RMT IS unfair, as it changes the gameplay experience (independently from the fraud/hacking that it introduces, which by itself justifies to ban it without any second thought if you're serious and committed about security). I personally see buying RMT gold as: 1) stealing Anet's property; 2) cheating on my own principles; 3) a waste of money for digital bytes whose real value is not that much.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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23 Mar 2008 at 01:30 - 57

Bleh. My opinion is: I don't care.

I'm not trading unless they add something like the Xunlai Market. I'm not wasting my time selling or buying in outposts for hours.

Pleikki

WTB q8 15^50 Weapons!

Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

23 Mar 2008 at 06:27 - 58

Mithran.s Opinion is like mines. i dont care

N E D M

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Officer's Club

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

23 Mar 2008 at 10:40 - 59

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Caption: Typical Hot Spring International Trade Channel. Go check it out if you think this is from somewhere else.

NOTE: this is from the Original post.

I am not understanding what this picture is supposed to show....
I see people spamming trade chat trying to BUY choc. bunnies?
there isnt a single sell message in the bunch.....

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

23 Mar 2008 at 13:22 - 60

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Originally Posted by guolisong

it's suppose to show players are actively buying from gold farmers aka the crooked vending machines.

I just see players wanting to buy Chocolate Bunnies, that's all.

It's Eastern weekend, hundreds of players are farming Raptors at the moment for Bunnies and Eggs. If you want to buy Bunnies and Eggs, now is the time.

There's nothing wrong with farming Bunnies and Eggs now the chance is here.

If you mean the Chinese Sweatshop farmers... They'd probably end up throwing the Bunnies and Eggs away if no1 bought them. These people don't have time to stand in an outpost selling goldies, that's why Augury Rock international district had almost every skin in every req for 1K back in the Griffon days.

Chinese Sweatshop farmers don't know about prices and just sell to merch. They don't play the game for anything but farming - that's their job.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

23 Mar 2008 at 13:26 - 61

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Originally Posted by Age

I don't believe you for some reason and you are kidding.It would be nice without getting banned.It is the American way after all. JR would do this Ewing that is.

What?

Buying unid is going to get me banned? I think not.

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

23 Mar 2008 at 13:45 - 62

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Originally Posted by guolisong

LOl so you think Chinese Sweatshop farmers are stupid? There are Chinese Traders that buys from sweatshop farmers at fairly low price, these active players who are in the screenshot offer a higher price and obviously the farmers would sell to them instead. A gold boost weekend.

I never said they were stupid, they just don't care about prices and therefore do not know.

Back in the days when thousands of Chinese farmers famed Griffons, you could buy rare skinned-weapons from them for 1K. A normal player would've asked 100K + ecto's for them.

Chinese Sweat Shop farmers don't watch wiki or stay in Kamadan to check prices. For them, a gold item is a gold item. They make no difference between an Elemental Sword and a Short Sword. Even if they did know, they wouldn't have the time to stand in an outpost without earning money.

If anything, the Bunnies and Eggs are annoying for them because they can't be merched for quick cash, but to sell them, time has to be wasted. Sure, some of them might sell if they have alot, but it's not like all of these farmers waste their time with communicating with other players.

Alex the Great

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

America.....got a problem with that?

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23 Mar 2008 at 13:50 - 63

as long as they arnt selling gold for ingame money i'm fine.
with more supply=> less cost

thats good imo

bigtime102

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

23 Mar 2008 at 13:55 - 64

every single player in this game is a gold farmer, if you ever got gold in this game by killing a monster, selling something to merchant or trading (which is everybody) youre a gold farmer, some are just better at it then others. Dont confuse farming with botting and gold selling. One is ok the others aren't.

To answer the question, let me ask another question, how do you feel about trading interaacting with pedophiles and rapists in GW? yeah its a dumb question because you cant help who you deal with, but its the same thing, as long as youre not doing anything wrong (trading in game items for in game gold is not wrong) then who cares who it is especially since you cant ever be certain.

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

23 Mar 2008 at 14:18 - 65

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Things have changed because now they do care about bunnies and clovers and all event items because they know they can get quick cash for it. And they know about the skins and even minipets. They rarely are actively selling because people are actively buying, they either sell to the chinese trader or they sell to nonchinese players.

If the Chinese Sweat Shop farmers by chance DO farm for the bunnies etc (which would be a silly move cause more profit would be made by just merching them and continue farming), it would be better for the economy. The more of these items enter the market, the lower the price drops.

I still doupt that these players who don't play the game, probably get their characters dragged to Bergen Hot Springs by someone else, don't care for the game and play the game like a Zombie (Really, doing the same farm run over and over and over again every day of the week, barely getting sleep isn't healthy) know about the game. For them it's a job. They just farm and farm and farm. They probably don't even know what Underworld or FoW is unless they play the game in their spare time.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

My point is when we purchase from these gold farmers they turn in the golds to RMT companies who sells the gold to players that buys. That certainly is different from average players who farm and trade in game because none of that involves purchasing in game gold using real money.

So? These companies trying to sell gold for real cash don't have any impact on the game as I play it. I just see 2 or 3 more warriors with black-dyed FoW armours in an outpost, but that's about it.

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

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23 Mar 2008 at 14:23 - 66

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Originally Posted by guolisong

I'm not asking your opinion on gold farmers I'm asking for the opinion on purchasing from gold farmers.

Since you have no way of knowing how anyone acquires anything in game, transactions need to be on an innocent until proven guilty basis. Your criteria for "knowing" isnt proof enough. My opinion anyway.

Its up to Anet to stop RMT, bots and farmers under real life employment to the best of their ability. I'm not going to play a game where I need to stop and consider the % chance of someone's legitimacy every time I wish to make a transaction, nor will I purposefully go where its more expensive in a self defeating attempt to change those odds.

That said, I have outright quit games, permanently, where cheating or RMT actions simply got the point where it was no longer transparent, which killed the "point" of playing and trying to make "progress" in the game, from my standpoint. Guild Wars is an odd one in that progress in game is really only about skins, at least for most things purchased, so RMT is a little different here, but no less annoying.

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Kangaroo-land.

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24 Mar 2008 at 01:15 - 67

Everything is naturally going to get cheaper... more money is brought into the game by loot of monsters etc...

And my opinion? They are also ruining the economy.

gone

Guest

Join Date: Jan 2007

24 Mar 2008 at 01:18 - 68

Q: What's your opinion on purchasing items from gold farmers in game?

A: Until there is a way for me to absolutely, without a doubt, tell who's who, and what's what, I'll continue to buy away.