So, basically, I don't care much what happens to the skills.
Ahhh, sweet mediocrity!
This has got to stop ( a request )
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Originally Posted by Knightly Bird
They did, ursan used to be ranged attacks.
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That was actually a buff. It made it easier to use.
@The OP -- Lmao, stop QQing and adapt.
EDIT: To all who complain about PvP skill balances -- ISN'T PvE EASY ENOUGH? PvE-ONLY SKILLS DON'T GET TOUCHED ANYMORE. STOP CRYING.
Easy fix..make all the PvP "balance" changes only take affect in PvP areas. Im sure there is some way this can be done to not affect PvE. I to am sick and tired of having skills nerfed and builds trashed in PvE for the sake of a few PvP bums....BTW.. you Pvpers should take your own advice and stop QQing and adapt...but then why should you when anet will disregard any PvE opinions to make your PvP whiners as happy as possible.
Stop changing skills on PvE side to accomodate PvP, this is the single biggest request by the majority of PvE players..which is the majority of your fanbase.
Stop changing skills on PvE side to accomodate PvP, this is the single biggest request by the majority of PvE players..which is the majority of your fanbase.
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Originally Posted by Crimzon_DST
Easy fix..make all the PvP "balance" changes only take affect in PvP areas. Im sure there is some way this can be done to not affect PvE. I to am sick and tired of having skills nerfed and builds trashed in PvE for the sake of a few PvP bums.
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Originally Posted by Agriel
**PROBLEMS WITH THIS: In pre-searing, this is the most commonly used ranger skill! I don't care what happens in HA/GvG from a PvE point of view (I play both), but my ranger in PvE has lost many good skills ....
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
I lold. Seriously.
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TntF.
The problem of course is that we can not define what balanced in PvE means. So the skills don't get "balanced" - the just get "changed".
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Originally Posted by fenix
You're all bad, PvP balances are more important because PvE doesn't need balance. It has PvE skills, and mobs that never change the way they act/cast/move/etc.
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PvE would demand balance if A.Net cared for it.
They don't.
They just like our money.
Edit: And yeah I am fully aware that "care for PvE" is a bit of care-bear word. But I think most people will get the point.
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Originally Posted by Crimzon_DST
Nor is it the fault of the PvE community that you PvP losers cant adapt instead of whine your azzes off. We should not have to adapt to accomodate you. You should adapt to accomodate yourselves.
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That post of yours just show how sterotypically ignorant PvErs are in that you don't have a single clue about PvP or how balance works, but still make insulting generalisations anyway.
And, just to add something decent to this topic. And do read the final Paragraph in particular.
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
So after looking through most of Riverside, Sardelac, and Campfire, I noticed that a good 80% of the community is either crying about how Anet favors PvP more than PvE, how Anet loves to nerf everything, and how Anet doesn't care about the casual gamer.
I did a brief count of the number of buffs/nerfs this last update. 19 nerfs. 38 buffs. The rest were drastic skill changes that can't be easily categorized into either buff or nerf. Why do people only focus on the nerfs to these skills, and not the buffs? There are clearly twice as many buffs as nerfs in this update, but yet the focus is still on the relatively few nerfs. Second, about PvP vs PvE. A question I'm wondering is how these changes affect your ability to play PvE. To me, I actually enjoy some of the changes, because a lot of the builds I normally run are getting buffed (enfeebling blood comes to mind). Granted, some get nerfed (the fire henchmen in EotN), but I can deal with that by either changing to another build or staying with the same build because it's still solid enough to tackle the hardest tasks thrown at me with no problem in PvE (vanqing, harder dungeons, elite zones). Third, about Anet not caring about the casual gamer and only pleasing the elite. Almost every guru poster likes to keep at the tip of their tongue "why can't (insert group of people) adapt? Why must PvPers ask for nerfs when they can just 'counter' it?" So the question is, when some of your skills get nerfed, why can't you adapt? Casual gamers love to test out new skill combinations, even if it means they're running a suboptimal build. Nerfing some skills and buffing others just means it gives casual gamers more things to play around with. For example, lions comfort, which used to be fairly popular amongst casual players but is in reality not very efficient now just got a huge buff. It's a great thing to nerf some more popular templates and buff some unused ones to create diversity and to not stick with the same cookie-cutter stuff we've had. |
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Originally Posted by Agriel
I myself am tired of arena-net taking to heart the complaints of all PvPers and never the PvEers.
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And did we really need ANOTHER whine-thread about updates? Weren't the three already going sufficiently whiny?
I'll say the same here as I said in those:
Ursan and the other ridiculously overpowered PvE-only skills are living proof why it's a GOOD THING that PvP rebalancing affects PvE, and why separating PvE from PvP is a BAD THING.
Learn to adapt. This is a dynamically changing game, get out of your comfort zone and learn to change your skillset and use more than one build.
I guess I'm blind.
The only whining I am seeing lately is coming from the FARMERS of:
Fame.
Faction.
Gold.
Most hardcore/casual GW player will adapt, and enjoy the challenge...imo. (Be they PvP-PvE)
Love that!
The only whining I am seeing lately is coming from the FARMERS of:
Fame.
Faction.
Gold.
Most hardcore/casual GW player will adapt, and enjoy the challenge...imo. (Be they PvP-PvE)
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Originally Posted by Crimzon_DST
Nor is it the fault of the PvE community that you PvP losers cant adapt instead of whine your azzes off. We should not have to adapt to accomodate you. You should adapt to accomodate yourselves.
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Adaptation is one thing, but things ARE imbalanced, and whether you like it or not, people like you just do not understand until you have gone against it, providing you have high enough skill level for it.
Also, I think PvE-Only skills were introduced already because of people like you whining and not adapting to things so trivial on 'your' side of the game.
Oh yeah, at the 'PvP losers' comment -- before you can call anyone a loser, stop QQing about things so small. Hakuna Matata is leet.
People are amazing beings.
Even if AN introduced a skill "Pve powah" 5e 1/4c 5r- Steal 1000 life from all foes in the area. This skill doesn't work if there's no enemy monk in the area.
They still would say it's not imbalanced because there is a counter- just don't take monks with you, duh...
Someone call the waaaaaaahmbulance
Even if AN introduced a skill "Pve powah" 5e 1/4c 5r- Steal 1000 life from all foes in the area. This skill doesn't work if there's no enemy monk in the area.
They still would say it's not imbalanced because there is a counter- just don't take monks with you, duh...
Someone call the waaaaaaahmbulance
Update - Thursday, January 24, 2008
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Magebane Shot: increased Energy cost to 10.
Penetrating Attack: decreased activation time to 1 second.
Sundering Attack: decreased activation time to 1 second.
Power Shot: decreased activation time to 1 second.
Precision Shot: decreased activation time to 1 second.
I like how people are conveniently forgetting that these skills were just massively buffed.
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Magebane Shot: increased Energy cost to 10.
Penetrating Attack: decreased activation time to 1 second.
Sundering Attack: decreased activation time to 1 second.
Power Shot: decreased activation time to 1 second.
Precision Shot: decreased activation time to 1 second.
I like how people are conveniently forgetting that these skills were just massively buffed.
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Originally Posted by Brimstonez
The only reason thing may seem 'unbalanced' is because nobody has come up with a build to combat the said build seeming 'overpowered'. I get so tired of people whinging about overpowerment of builds, yet don't have the patience to find its counter.
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Originally Posted by Brimstonez
The only reason thing may seem 'unbalanced' is because nobody has come up with a build to combat the said build seeming 'overpowered'. I get so tired of people whinging about overpowerment of builds, yet don't have the patience to find its counter.
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By the way, the Shadow Walk / Dark Aura thing before the change was even more overpowered than Ursan in a team build, on a single character. 500DPS is counterable? I think not.
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Originally Posted by Shuuda
Must I repeat what I said and quoted earlier?
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