is there any use for assassin heroes?
Boogz
I can't find any other use for assassin heroes than A/R critical barrage, they don't use moebius builds correctly, also don't use critscythe builds well, are they just a waste of slot or there is some use for them?
- Tain -
Melee AI isn't the most reliable in general, and sins are worse because they don't know how to use their skills. So no, there is no reason to bring a sin hero.
joshuarodger
nope
12chars.
12chars.
Luminarus
They good for providing storage spots in their weapon slots 
Shayne Hawke
I've seen a few people in the past make builds for them that revolved a lot around hexes. I don't have any of those builds, and I don't know if any would be viable anymore.
llsektorll
Yes....... Meat-shields!
Scary Raebbit
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Yes....... Meat-shields!
Warriors do it better.
FlamingMetroid
they have assassin heroes?!
Marverick
Assassin heroes have great synergy with MM bombers.
Miska Bow
They provide you with 2 extra storage slot for a weapon and a off-hand.
Nyktos
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Originally Posted by Miska Bow
They provide you with 2 extra storage slot for a weapon and a off-hand.
And more importantly: five runes and five insignias. Yes, it costs a salvage use to get them off, but that's worth the saved storage space, I think.
Ontopic: Crit Barrage is probably the best you're going to get. Luckily, there aren't any story missions that require Anton or Zenmai, so I'd probably just not use them.
And more importantly: five runes and five insignias. Yes, it costs a salvage use to get them off, but that's worth the saved storage space, I think.Ontopic: Crit Barrage is probably the best you're going to get. Luckily, there aren't any story missions that require Anton or Zenmai, so I'd probably just not use them.
fearfactory
hero FFF.. that's about it.
Antithesis
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Originally Posted by Boogz
I can't find any other use for assassin heroes than A/R critical barrage, they don't use moebius builds correctly, also don't use critscythe builds well, are they just a waste of slot or there is some use for them?
Testing how quickly you can drain a Hero Monk's energy.
Providing a MM with a headstart.
Providing a MM with a headstart.
Marverick
Moebius/DB is probably the best build for them. Keep attack skills simple, I like to just use three: Golden Phoenix Strike, Death Blossom, and Moebius Strike. Any more and heroes get confused and do stupid stuff like Moebius Strike > Critical Strike > Death Blossom. Zenmai does around 50 DPS with that; not optimal, yea, but a lot better than critical barrage and other garbage.
Boogz
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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
I've seen a few people in the past make builds for them that revolved a lot around hexes. I don't have any of those builds, and I don't know if any would be viable anymore.
[card]Siphon Strength[/card]
wich is not worth of using on pve
yeah, i'll use my zenmai and anton as storages
wich is not worth of using on pve
yeah, i'll use my zenmai and anton as storages
Fangclaw
Good distraction and MM fuel...
FoxBat
I like the Golden Fox -> Golden Fang -> Blossom -> Moebius, similar deal. Add critical eye, some other random enchantment, and a run buff (maybe rush). Then add things like orders, barbs, strength of honor, etc. Cuts through destroyers like butter with the title on, since she's spamming skills constantly and has mostly armor-ignoring damage.
Always be careful with anything remotely conditional. They seem hesitant to use wild strike on someone not in a stance, for example. You can throw these skills on as extras, but they shouldn't be part of the primary combo.
Edit: also, may want to look into scythe assassins. 80% crit is nice damage. Just load them up with 3/4th attack skills.
Always be careful with anything remotely conditional. They seem hesitant to use wild strike on someone not in a stance, for example. You can throw these skills on as extras, but they shouldn't be part of the primary combo.
Edit: also, may want to look into scythe assassins. 80% crit is nice damage. Just load them up with 3/4th attack skills.
Mr. Undisclosed
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Originally Posted by Boogz
I can't find any other use for assassin heroes than A/R critical barrage, they don't use moebius builds correctly, also don't use critscythe builds well, are they just a waste of slot or there is some use for them?
They look cool?
Antithesis
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Originally Posted by Sergeant Miyagi
They look cool?
True...Primeval on Zenmai and Deldrimor on Anton look the bomb. Might as well leave a good-looking corpse 
Draginvry
I use Zenmai as a smiting assacaster for undead areas.
But really, that's only because I have my monks geared solely for healing and protection, and all of my other casters are doing usefull things (MM or nukes).
Zenmai just gets the dirty jobs that aren't important enough for my other heros. But she is an assassin, so she should understand.
But really, that's only because I have my monks geared solely for healing and protection, and all of my other casters are doing usefull things (MM or nukes).
Zenmai just gets the dirty jobs that aren't important enough for my other heros. But she is an assassin, so she should understand.
Moral55
Ya a crit barrager build works pretty well Sins.
Lishy
I remember seeing a cookie cutter interuption build that makes use of keen arrow and disrupting accuracy
psycore
Critical Spear works quite well too
mistokibbles
Using Way of the Assassin and Way of the master and if you want, Critical eye with a spear or scythe seems very effective.
Pandora's box
This is my fun rampage the 'fleshy' countryside build: "Ghost in a Toxic Box".
A/Mo
[card]enduring toxin[/card][card]iron palm[/card][card]signet of toxic shock[/card][card]protective spirit[/card][card]reversal of fortune[/card][card]purge conditions[/card][card]resurrection signet[/card][skill]assassin's promise[/skill]
Deadly Arts 12 (+4)
Protection 12
Wielding protection + energy items.
N/A
[card]virulence[/card][card]animate bone minions[/card][card]animate vampiric horror[/card][card]signet of toxic shock[/card][card]signet of lost souls[/card][card]signet of sorrow[/card][card]Sadist's Signet[/card][card]resurrection signet[/card]
Death magic 10 (+4)
Soul reaping 10 (+1)
Deadly arts 11
W/N
[card]savage slash[/card][card]poisoned heart[/card][card]dolyak signet[/card][card]shield stance[/card][card]"Watch Yourself!"[/card][card]healing signet[/card][card]riposte[/card][skill]Gladiator's Defense[/skill]
Curses 12
Swordmanship 8 (+1)
Tactics 11 (+1)
To increase the effectiveness of this build the Sunspear title track necrosis is really great!
Edit:
Explanation
Anton useually starts with Enduring Toxin. My smiter monk anticipates with Necrosis. Next poison will be applied, and the the final touch is 2x Toxic Shock. Next target (often already poisoned). Once the animited circus gets out of the box this build can finish off many mobs real fast.
For Hench backup I mostly use: healer, protector, illusion and earth.
A/Mo
[card]enduring toxin[/card][card]iron palm[/card][card]signet of toxic shock[/card][card]protective spirit[/card][card]reversal of fortune[/card][card]purge conditions[/card][card]resurrection signet[/card][skill]assassin's promise[/skill]
Deadly Arts 12 (+4)
Protection 12
Wielding protection + energy items.
N/A
[card]virulence[/card][card]animate bone minions[/card][card]animate vampiric horror[/card][card]signet of toxic shock[/card][card]signet of lost souls[/card][card]signet of sorrow[/card][card]Sadist's Signet[/card][card]resurrection signet[/card]
Death magic 10 (+4)
Soul reaping 10 (+1)
Deadly arts 11
W/N
[card]savage slash[/card][card]poisoned heart[/card][card]dolyak signet[/card][card]shield stance[/card][card]"Watch Yourself!"[/card][card]healing signet[/card][card]riposte[/card][skill]Gladiator's Defense[/skill]
Curses 12
Swordmanship 8 (+1)
Tactics 11 (+1)
To increase the effectiveness of this build the Sunspear title track necrosis is really great!
Edit:
Explanation
Anton useually starts with Enduring Toxin. My smiter monk anticipates with Necrosis. Next poison will be applied, and the the final touch is 2x Toxic Shock. Next target (often already poisoned). Once the animited circus gets out of the box this build can finish off many mobs real fast.
For Hench backup I mostly use: healer, protector, illusion and earth.
Draginvry
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Originally Posted by psycore
Critical Spear works quite well too
That might be fun.
Turbobusa
critical scythe with wounding strike, way of the master. use a rit hero with strength and honor, splinter weapon, ancestor's raged.
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Super Igor
Im a Sin myself, whats the point using Assassin heroes?
~Super Igor
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~Super Igor
goodrix
There are quite a few good combinations of A/D, A/R or A/P
Assault enchantments
Quick stance remover (so good against destroyer rangers)
or that A/R uber interrupt build with disrupting accuracy
(mind you this is on my lvl 18 zenmai)
.. oh and also the classic A/P with vicious attack + way of the master/way of the assassin/critical eye (that give ~95% chance to critical with 14 Critical Strikes and 12 Spear Mastery)
..... and yes, they make good corpses too (like most other heroes)....
Assault enchantments
Quick stance remover (so good against destroyer rangers)
or that A/R uber interrupt build with disrupting accuracy
(mind you this is on my lvl 18 zenmai)
.. oh and also the classic A/P with vicious attack + way of the master/way of the assassin/critical eye (that give ~95% chance to critical with 14 Critical Strikes and 12 Spear Mastery)
..... and yes, they make good corpses too (like most other heroes)....
Super Igor
Pointless using an Assassin or any meelee hero, they cant do a thing, are no way cool, die a lot, aggro a lot, dont deal any dmg, dont support the team, meh, generally bad.
Dervs are the only ones worth using thx to their ability to support the party in such a godly way but they dont deal any dmg thru meelee that way.
~Super Igor~
Dervs are the only ones worth using thx to their ability to support the party in such a godly way but they dont deal any dmg thru meelee that way.
~Super Igor