If Sabway Is So Good For General PvE (Including HM) Then Why...?

Would it be worth taking out [skill]animate shambling horror[/skill] & replacing it with a Hex removal skill on my MM? I only ask because at present my MM only has 2 summoning spells (Bone minions & Shamblings) & if I was to take out animate shambling horrors he'd just be left with animate bone minions + jagged bones. Would this be sufficient enough to be a MM/Bomber? Just Bone Minions is fine, I only use one on mine when I do use one.

What do you need hex removal for in PvE? Usually hexes are too spammy for non-elite removals, or they're junk degen hexes you can heal through. The Necros aren't really impaired by hexes anyway, as there are very few hexes in PvE that really pose a problem. And when you are in a hex-heavy area, heroes can't tell the difference between a priority hex and a rubbish hex and chances they'll waste the removal on something unimportant. That's basically why I don't include hex removal in the builds I post. If for some reason you need it (Wurm Bile etc.), then by all means slot in Inspired Hex, Remove Hex or something like that. Thank you for replying

You made a point about healing through degen hexes in PvE & that's what I thought to begin with. I figured you didn't include any hex removal skills because the threats posed by hexes in PvE isn't THAT great & your hench monk(s) + the N/RT can deal with it through spike heals anyway (See post 5 )

Thanks again.

EDIT: /thread I guess.

Mainly because you don't need the hex removal
All hexes in PvE are mass spam of the same hex. Removing the conjure phatasm is silly if it gets re-applied almost instantly. It's better to heal through the degen.
Only hex that would make a difference is soothing images on your SY spammer. If such enemies are in the area, you might want to take remove hex instead. QFT

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What do you need hex removal for in PvE? Usually hexes are too spammy for non-elite removals, or they're junk degen hexes you can heal through. The Necros aren't really impaired by hexes anyway, as there are very few hexes in PvE that really pose a problem. And when you are in a hex-heavy area, heroes can't tell the difference between a priority hex and a rubbish hex and chances they'll waste the removal on something unimportant. That's basically why I don't include hex removal in the builds I post. If for some reason you need it (Wurm Bile etc.), then by all means slot in Inspired Hex, Remove Hex or something like that. Bam!
I was gonna say the same crap but he saw the thread first...

Quoting what i meant when i wrote the notes section.

"The flaws in this build are its susceptibility to interrupt and its lack of hex removal. Having hex removal, interrupt(s), and Pain Inverter is suggested for the other players/heroes. "

Who is going to bring those three heroes? You. The person who is behind them is the one who is responsible for the team's victory and that is the human that is bringing them. Let me give you two of the main reasons these heroes have no hex removal at all.

1) The human player shouldn't be blind and take one hex removal spell/signet/whatever just in case.
2) As this set is most often used in 8 man and 6 man areas, you will be well-off if you take a monk henchman and another one (warrior or caster). Fact: In every henchman set-up in every campaign there is one hex removal henchman. If you take a warrior, this means that you are a caster yourself and can afford to go /Mo or /Me for Shatter Hex or Reveal Hex or whatever.
If you take a caster, take a mesmer henchman as these almost always have hex removal too (or just take both monks, one of them has hex removal 100&).
3) The question is: What makes you cry about hex removal that much? Which hexes are able to make you cry? I'd say the most common ones are Diversion, Backfire and Lingering Curse (Spectral Agony aside, you should be infused). All of those can be survived by either careful aggroing or waiting till the hex is over.
4) The main reason is: AI targets lower-level foes. Guess who that is? Correct. Those 10 meatshields that are in the centre of the whole team build. You may argue that casters are priority targets, but the priority targets are actually those with less health and armor.

I hope you understand better now. There should be one point in your head replacing the need of thinking of anything else like hero synergies while running Triple Necros: "Think about where you go and foresee what you will need". Basta.

No Mercy Thank you very much, some good points there. I also never knew Mhenlo had a hex removal skill in EOTN which you've just pointed out

Edited the first post to include the proper link to the Sabway team lineup. This is the OFFICIAL sabway build that thousands of people use, and there's no hex removal at all to be seen actually thats the PvX wiki page which is edited by people who have no idea how to play every few minutes. this is the official build.

and it looks like sab has the bomber running guardian and PS. i would never trust a hero with prot spirit, remember that build using bone minions paired with SV and prot spirit? thats how stupid heroes are. put remove hex there

So do you think it'd be worth it to take out SOLS for something more useful? Whenever I use a spiritway healer, Weapon of Warding never leaves the bar. 9 secs of unstrippable 50%blocking is much too good to pass by. Back when heroes were bad with weapon spells, and before LoD got nerfed, there wasn't much reason to use an N/Rt guy in pve imo.

As for the hex removal, builds arn't set in stone. If you're doing HM, you're gonna always have to change things eventually no matter what builds you or your heroes are using. If it's NM, you can usually go a very long way with the same build though.

Whenever I use a spiritway healer, Weapon of Warding never leaves the bar. 9 secs of unstrippable 50%blocking is much too good to pass by. Back when heroes were bad with weapon spells, and before LoD got nerfed, there wasn't much reason to use an N/Rt guy in pve imo.

As for the hex removal, builds arn't set in stone. If you're doing HM, you're gonna always have to change things eventually no matter what builds you or your heroes are using. If it's NM, you can usually go a very long way with the same build though. Thanks, it seems like a decent skill to use, I'll check it out.

I'm just wondering why Sab didn't include some hex removal in the first place. Surely there's some people out there that use it EXACTLY how it's shown on Pvxwiki & even on Pvxwiki as it is now without any hex removal it's been rated as "EXCELLENT" and has 5/5

Maybe Hex removal just isn't important in this team lineup or something as the N/RT healer can keep you alive even when hexed. I dunno. Doesn't it say at the bottom that he's aware that hex removal isn't there?

Doesn't it say at the bottom that he's aware that hex removal isn't there? I didn't read that far on the wiki page, I only used the wiki page to see the builds better. I just saw it now though.

I didn't read that far on the wiki page, I only used the wiki page to see the builds better. I just saw it now though. always read variants and notes.

always read variants and notes. Should have done in the start

I'll make sure to in the future.