We all know how cool Shiro's Blades are.We all also know that it is the only dagger skin that you can SEE for that mater.But there is just one problem:Its vampiric and the mods aren't good for PvE.Who doesn't love to take dual katanas and rampage everything?But then again, who here wants a crappy -1 hp degen to something already squishy?It was okay for usage of vampiric weapons on a sin prior to the nerf of mystic regeneration, but now sins struggle all the time.I don't want to hear "Oh, just switch weapons" because I think an alter net of the weapon should be made.We worked to beat factions on an assassin.We could at least get a decent weapon for an assassin other than a small little dagger that you barely notice.
Anyone with me on this?
An alternet of Shiro's blades without vampiric effect
Lishy
jonnieboi05
lol are you kidding? vamp and zealous are the best things you could ever run on a 'sin. ._. go do some pvp (-ahem- i do NOT mean AB. i do NOT count AB 'real' pvp) and my statement will further prove it'self even more. vamp is definately win no matter what you may think right now. dedicated high-end pvp will change your mind of almost everyhting you know about GW and what you think IS and is NOT effective as a skill.
~LeNa~
Malice Black
LOL!
You want 20/20 sundering and +30hp I'm guessing?
Go learn to play.
You want 20/20 sundering and +30hp I'm guessing?
Go learn to play.
Lishy
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
LOL!
You want 20/20 sundering and +30hp I'm guessing? Go learn to play. |
Theres just so much more energy management!
Once you think about it, +30hp doesn't make a big difference sometimes unless altogether with other mods you have a significant hp boost.
Kanyatta
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
lol are you kidding? vamp and zealous are the best things you could ever run on a 'sin. ._.
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Skyy High
Vamp ftw, and the difference between +30HP and +5AR is so miniscule most of the time that you shouldn't even worry about it. Bottom line, you shouldn't be getting hit much anyway, and the 5 armor won't help you much if you're being targetted; at least +30 hp will help keep you from being an aggro magnet as often.
Bottom line: the stats on those daggers are about as good as it gets.
Bottom line: the stats on those daggers are about as good as it gets.
miskav
Shiro's daggers are about as good as daggers come for PvE and PvP, If there would be a zealous pair aswell, then those 2 together would take the cake on my 'sin.
Marverick
Actually, he's sort of right: Zealous is better for PvE. More energy will allow you to pump out more Moebius/DB's, which will add out to more damage than the +3 per hit on Vamp. Critical Strikes alone isn't that good energy management once you get to level 30 enemies and stuff in HM.
Vamp is better for spiking in PvP.
Vamp is better for spiking in PvP.
Lishy
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Originally Posted by Marverick
Vamp is better for spiking in PvP.
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But I can also imagine vamp for farming and such.I remember soloing Shiro and I was swapping between zealous and vamp.
But about people insisting that vamp is "ubar 1337 z0mg use em, I R weapon mod nazi!", are you guys saying you don't want another version of Shiro's Daggers without a vamp effect??I am in no way requesting to take away the vamp effect.I am requesting for an alter net version of Shiro's Blades.
Lest121
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
LOL!
You want 20/20 sundering and +30hp I'm guessing? Go learn to play. |
Was that Necessary? this is why I dislike PvPers or any type of Elitists attitude in this game.
Captain Miken
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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja
Was that Necessary? this is why I dislike PvPers or any type of Elitists attitude in this game.
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cause you bad
Lishy
>___________>
I can immediately tell that this is going to become a flame war because people are stubborn and want to insist on things not relating to the actual topic >,<
I can immediately tell that this is going to become a flame war because people are stubborn and want to insist on things not relating to the actual topic >,<
Konig Des Todes
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
lol are you kidding? vamp and zealous are the best things you could ever run on a 'sin. ._.
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Vilaptca
What would be the point?
Get a different pair of green daggers then. Greens are supposed to be easy to get items with max stats.
If you want a certain skin with the stats you want, then greens aren't really what you are looking for. There are a ton of greens with skins that I like but the stats aren't what I'm looking for. It'd be dumb to keep making multiple versions of them just so we can have other stats.
Get a different pair of green daggers then. Greens are supposed to be easy to get items with max stats.
If you want a certain skin with the stats you want, then greens aren't really what you are looking for. There are a ton of greens with skins that I like but the stats aren't what I'm looking for. It'd be dumb to keep making multiple versions of them just so we can have other stats.
Limu Tolkki
Why ppl make suggestions to change weapon stats to be better for their builds.
/notsigned
/notsigned
Nevin
I wonder why hardcore PvPer's assume their way of playing the game is also the best way to play PvE...
Its kind of funny considering its the opposite in most other MMO's, in most cases its PvE defines the PvP.
Its kind of funny considering its the opposite in most other MMO's, in most cases its PvE defines the PvP.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Nevin
I wonder why hardcore PvPer's assume their way of playing the game is also the best way to play PvE...
Its kind of funny considering its the opposite in most other MMO's, in most cases its PvE defines the PvP. |
/facepalm.
People in other MMOS use same skill and items set as PvE because they do NOT have any alternative skill/itemsets, not becauce they kneel before wisdom of godly PvErs.
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Anyhow:
Shiros weapons have stats they have for reason:
* Get throught people skulls that REQ is pointless as long as weapon is max. (most badass weapon with ... req 15.)
* Make point that vamp is good.
MrGuildBoi
^shiros are req13..
Norn Daggers are about half the size of shiros
Norn Daggers are about half the size of shiros
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by MrGuildBoi
^shiros are req13..
Norn Daggers are about half the size of shiros |
Cloud5646
You guys are being too harsh... the op is got a point.
Would you apply vamp mod to your coolest weapon? like when you are waiting for a battle to start on HA/GvG, or come out to an area on pve you won't be wielding a vamp weapon, otherwise, instead of ppl say "wow nice weapon there dude!", they will say: "take your f** vamp off".
Besides I prefer sundering over vamp for any kind of weapon.
Would you apply vamp mod to your coolest weapon? like when you are waiting for a battle to start on HA/GvG, or come out to an area on pve you won't be wielding a vamp weapon, otherwise, instead of ppl say "wow nice weapon there dude!", they will say: "take your f** vamp off".
Besides I prefer sundering over vamp for any kind of weapon.
Kanyatta
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Originally Posted by Nevin
Its kind of funny considering its the opposite in most other MMO's, in most cases its PvE defines the PvP.
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Konig Des Todes
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Originally Posted by Cloud5646
You guys are being too harsh... the op is got a point.
Would you apply vamp mod to your coolest weapon? like when you are waiting for a battle to start on HA/GvG, or come out to an area on pve you won't be wielding a vamp weapon, otherwise, instead of ppl say "wow nice weapon there dude!", they will say: "take your f** vamp off". Besides I prefer sundering over vamp for any kind of weapon. |
Lesson of the day:
-Don't use greens in PvP because of the skin.
-Use many weapons with different mods, thats why there are 4 weapon slots.
-Zealous and Vampiric are best for daggers, especially in PvE.
Oblivious Moose
dont worry about mods on weapons, req or anything..
the OP is requesting that anet makes more mods of shiro's daggers, so he can have any mod set he wants on it. keeping the item skin, as its the only daggers in the game currently with that specific skin.
keep in mind. pve is all about looks. he just wants more shiro dagger skins, with mods that he wants. as he probably already has a different set of daggers with the mods he wants, just not the weapon skin...
agreed that vamp and zealous are the best.. im not arguing that fact, neither is the OP.
now please, keep comments constructive, and not lead to a flame-fest.
the OP is requesting that anet makes more mods of shiro's daggers, so he can have any mod set he wants on it. keeping the item skin, as its the only daggers in the game currently with that specific skin.
keep in mind. pve is all about looks. he just wants more shiro dagger skins, with mods that he wants. as he probably already has a different set of daggers with the mods he wants, just not the weapon skin...
agreed that vamp and zealous are the best.. im not arguing that fact, neither is the OP.
now please, keep comments constructive, and not lead to a flame-fest.
Phoenix Tears
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Originally Posted by Cloud5646
You guys are being too harsh... the op is got a point.
Would you apply vamp mod to your coolest weapon? like when you are waiting for a battle to start on HA/GvG, or come out to an area on pve you won't be wielding a vamp weapon, otherwise, instead of ppl say "wow nice weapon there dude!", they will say: "take your f** vamp off". Besides I prefer sundering over vamp for any kind of weapon. |
Imo Anet would have done better, when they would have given the vamp Mods of Weapons from the start on a better Malus, than this -1 of Life Degeneration.
Instead of the Degeneration maybe a character who wields such a weapon receives 10% or more lesser HP from Healing Skills of Monks ect.
Would be a much better malus, than this stupid perma -1 life dereg.
With such an other malus effect, THEN would people also surely say ingame:
"WoW, what a nice weapon you carry there"
and not
"Get your ****ing vamp shit off, while you don't fight!!"
Cloud5646
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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin
I don't think anyone is being too harsh, for daggers vamp is really good in PvE, as is zealous. Seeing how you have to get through the PvE part of the game, not the PvP part, I think it is safe to say that the opinion of these daggers are fine as a PvE perspective. And for the take your vamp off, just bring both zealous and vamp, switch between the 2 when you need, zeal between groups, vamp while fighting, zeal when low energy and fighting. It's that simple.
Lesson of the day: -Don't use greens in PvP because of the skin. -Use many weapons with different mods, thats why there are 4 weapon slots. -Zealous and Vampiric are best for daggers, especially in PvE. |
You don't have to teach me how to play this thread is not about it.
Fr0zenWind
I'd love to have a pair of zealous Shiro's Blades .
/signed
./signed
Ghostcell
/signed
they are imo the best looking daggers in the game.
and we are talking about PvE here, not PvP so yeah i would love a pair of zelous shiro's blades.
they are imo the best looking daggers in the game.
and we are talking about PvE here, not PvP so yeah i would love a pair of zelous shiro's blades.
Gregslot
Sundering are very good for daggers.
I agree with the vampiric mod because assassin usually hit fast (due to doubl attack), therefore they deal more damage per second AND you also get healed a bit.
I agree with the vampiric mod because assassin usually hit fast (due to doubl attack), therefore they deal more damage per second AND you also get healed a bit.
Selket
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Originally Posted by Cloud5646
Seems like you didn't get my point Azazel. A vamp weapon is only used when you are fighting, thus no one is likely to see your weapon (unless in observer mode). It's so much more cooler to stand there and contemplate your weapon with others then just swap and use it for a few seconds.
You don't have to teach me how to play this thread is not about it. |
Cloud5646
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Originally Posted by Selket
Pretty sure you see your own weapons when you're fighting. No one else matters. If you buy weapons just so someone can say "NICE WEAPON GUY" then you're doing it wrong, because that means you're playing with people.
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I dunno thats just my opinion.
Kanyatta
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Originally Posted by Gregslot
Sundering are very good for daggers.
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Admittedly, it's not bad per se, but when compared to Vamp, Sundering is terrible.
For all the people that are like "but pplz yell at me for having vamp on!" then just get a weapon swap for when you're not fighting.
Cloud5646
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Originally Posted by Kanyatta
Lol, good one.
Admittedly, it's not bad per se, but when compared to Vamp, Sundering is terrible. For all the people that are like "but pplz yell at me for having vamp on!" then just get a weapon swap for when you're not fighting. |
RavagerOfDreams
dfangs are pritty big go farm some :P
anyways /notsigned
i like the skin and all but there fine the way they are imo
anyways /notsigned
i like the skin and all but there fine the way they are imo
bhavv
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Originally Posted by Cloud5646
That's completly offtopic, I bet the thread is gonna be locked soon.
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And alternet is spelt alternate not alternet.
Lurn 2 sphel pliiz.
masta_yoda
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Originally Posted by Cloud5646
You guys are being too harsh... the op is got a point.
Would you apply vamp mod to your coolest weapon? like when you are waiting for a battle to start on HA/GvG, or come out to an area on pve you won't be wielding a vamp weapon, otherwise, instead of ppl say "wow nice weapon there dude!", they will say: "take your f** vamp off". Besides I prefer sundering over vamp for any kind of weapon. |
showing off your weapon isnt really a big deal
shru
1 word....
Mending
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for serious.
But anyway, while we're at it, we might as well make every unique skinned green moddable. I mean why should I have to have a sundering mod on my urgoz longbow, I use it for barrage so me thinks it should be modded zealous so I don't have to swap to a dif skin that won't get me noticed enough. I wants it the way I likes it.
Mending
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for serious.
But anyway, while we're at it, we might as well make every unique skinned green moddable. I mean why should I have to have a sundering mod on my urgoz longbow, I use it for barrage so me thinks it should be modded zealous so I don't have to swap to a dif skin that won't get me noticed enough. I wants it the way I likes it.