It recently occurred to me, why can't jora use norn PvE skills, or vekk use Asura PvE skills, or the other heroes use the PvE skill of their faction, which includes Lightbringer *master of whispers* and sunspears*koss, melonni, donkoro, etc*
So What I am proposing, is to give the following heroes the ability to use the PvE skills of their race/faction. Ranks are always at half max, unless stated otherwise.
Koss, Tahlkora, Dunkoro, Melonni:
Sunspear Skills
Master of Whispers:
Lightbringer Skills + Buff on always (Rank 8) (should add these to all the order of whisper members imo, would make them last a bit longer in DoA)
Margrid The Sly:
Corsair's Net (Same as in-game)
General Morgahn:
Kournan Siege (increase cost to 10 energy, increase recharge to 30 seconds)
Zhed Shadowhoof:
Trample (should add this to all Centaurs imo)
Razah:
Call to the Torment (Must be under 50% life to use, recharge increased to 30 seconds, casting cost increasted to 10 energy, skill type changed to stance, remove kneeling)
Jora:
Norn (remove blessings and add in Bear Form)
Vekk:
Asura
Odgen:
Dwarven
Anton, Gwen:
Vanguard
Pyre Fierceshot:
Gloat
Xandra:
Luxon skills (rank 4) *Due to her being an outcast*
M.O.X.:
Bloodstone Slash
Golem Strike
Golem Boosters
Vitality Transfer
Phase Shield
Chaotic Energy
Energy Blast (golem)
---Editor's Note---
The posts before post #27 were for the old idea, so those can be ignored. Especially seeing how those who flamed didn't even read everything. -_-"
Also, adding a poll soon.
Give Heroes PvE skills
Konig Des Todes
Adam of Tyria
Or they could just get all of them.
Besides the blessings.
Besides the blessings.
judgedread33
*cough cough*ursan heros*cough cough*
Haodu
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*cough cough*ursan heros*cough cough*
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I think it'd be cool, and should be optional.
Zahr Dalsk
Sunspear and Kurzick/Luxon track skills for Kahmu and Melonni, please 
Also, because Jin and Sousuke are Zaishen, they should be able to /rank the enemy like generic HA pricks.
Also, because Jin and Sousuke are Zaishen, they should be able to /rank the enemy like generic HA pricks.
llsektorll
seed of life!
pamelf
/signed on that. It means you can't have a fully overpowered team, but it works within the storyline. I like.
Axel Zinfandel
I think you took the idea a bit too far...
but I'm all for heroes using PvE skills, so /signed if all heroes get all PvE skills
by PvE skills I mean the ones usable by you. Razah using Call to the Torment would be just ridiculous.
but I'm all for heroes using PvE skills, so /signed if all heroes get all PvE skills
by PvE skills I mean the ones usable by you. Razah using Call to the Torment would be just ridiculous.
Songbringer
/notsigned heroes already take away from human groups. atleast ursan groups require real players to use. no need for this.
RavagerOfDreams
Jora is using Ursan Blessing!
god no
god no
itsvictor
Jora is using Bear Form!
Zenmai is using Save yourselves o-o!...
/signed as long as it's them using their respective faction's
Because human ursans are enough :P
Zenmai is using Save yourselves o-o!...
/signed as long as it's them using their respective faction's
Because human ursans are enough :P
Monk Gsb
/signed due to the fact people fail and pve skills = funzorz
StormDragonZ
/signed
However, I will rip up my signature if the amount of PvE only skills allowed is 3 or more for heroes.
However, I will rip up my signature if the amount of PvE only skills allowed is 3 or more for heroes.
Yuhe Ji
/signed
I quite like the idea. It would make sense for the storyline but there should be some requirements. For example, completing Blood Washes Blood for Jora to "become the bear" and getting the other PvE skills first before being able to give them to heroes.
I quite like the idea. It would make sense for the storyline but there should be some requirements. For example, completing Blood Washes Blood for Jora to "become the bear" and getting the other PvE skills first before being able to give them to heroes.
Buddhaofwar
/signed
along those same lines, maybe let the summoned mursaat use... oh never mind.
along those same lines, maybe let the summoned mursaat use... oh never mind.
N1ghtstalker
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Razah
he's not a demon but an unknown entity from The Mists
he's not a demon but an unknown entity from The Mists
MirkoTeran
/not-signed. They need to remove PvE skills, not add them to heroes.
maverickthewolf
/signed, but, removing elite skills from heroes, like ursan blessing
Metalmaster
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/not-signed. They need to remove PvE skills, not add them to heroes.
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Isileth
As much as im for 7 heroes and AI improvements and such Im against this.
Purely because I think PvE skills are bad for the game, I want to see them removed not added to more areas of the game.
Purely because I think PvE skills are bad for the game, I want to see them removed not added to more areas of the game.
MithranArkanere
A single skill unique to each one? Maybe.
- Bear Form for Jora (after making her quest).
- Gloat for Pyre.
- Summon beta Golem for Vekk (After making his quests)
- Trapple for Zhed.
etc.
PvE skills? No. Now they work as 'treats' to reward those that play in with other players.
- Bear Form for Jora (after making her quest).
- Gloat for Pyre.
- Summon beta Golem for Vekk (After making his quests)
- Trapple for Zhed.
etc.
PvE skills? No. Now they work as 'treats' to reward those that play in with other players.
Tyla
/Notsigned
Remove PvE skills from the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame........ .............
Remove PvE skills from the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame........ .............
Proff
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I know many people would say this would way overpower PvE, but I think this not only makes some sense *at least more then 7 heroes* and would not be any more overpowering then an Ursan team.
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Monk of Demise
/signed
When I first played through Eye of the North, I was quite surprised after completing Curse of the Norn Bear that Jora did not have some sort of bear skill. I had assumed that after the curse was lifted she would have this skill.
I like the idea of making the skills hero/campaign specific. Makes the heros more unique instead of just picking them based on appearence. Might finally give Norgu and Goren some play time if they get half decent skills that other heros cant use.
When I first played through Eye of the North, I was quite surprised after completing Curse of the Norn Bear that Jora did not have some sort of bear skill. I had assumed that after the curse was lifted she would have this skill.
I like the idea of making the skills hero/campaign specific. Makes the heros more unique instead of just picking them based on appearence. Might finally give Norgu and Goren some play time if they get half decent skills that other heros cant use.
Fear Me!
/signed. The OP makes sense.
I D E L E T E D I
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/not-signed. They need to remove PvE skills, not add them to heroes.
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Solas
/no no no
play with humans if you want a full pve skill team
(as in people with pve skills no skill bar of pve skill)
play with humans if you want a full pve skill team
(as in people with pve skills no skill bar of pve skill)
Konig Des Todes
Decided to update the OP of this thread, as the opinions of this thread seemed balance, and some were misguided. Also added things for M.O.X. and a Poll.
zelgadissan
Wait, how would Razah's Call to the Torment work? He'd summon another copy of himself? /confused....
Anyway, I do wish they'd remove PvE skills from the game - but as long as they're here, why not.
/signed
Anyway, I do wish they'd remove PvE skills from the game - but as long as they're here, why not.
/signed
trankle
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Wait, how would Razah's Call to the Torment work? He'd summon another copy of himself? /confused....
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Konig Des Todes
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Lol, the last thing I want is a hero taking double damage for five seconds while kneeling.
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I think changing it to a stance and remove the kneeling portion would be good balance. Of course, it would act like the Wastrel skills, if it doesn't go through the full duration, no affect.
Lishy
Lmao..
First people QQed about ursan. Now heroes and PvE skills. There's a reason ANET doesn't listen to you:
You will ALYWAAAAAAAYS find something to complain about.
I, for one, think Heroes should get PvE skills. While monster skills would make them more overpowered than people, with the exception of Mox, the slogan is "Play with your friends, or ours!" and they should be able to have the same advantages/disadvantages as the player. Ohhhh, but what about the QQers saying "aaaaa its overpowered omg omg omg aaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!"? A full human team can do the same, if not, better, than heroes, dumbasses, and it is people like you who make me think common sense isn't too common anymore <_<
"Play with your friends or ours!"
Specifically, you should be playing with your friends, or that of ANET. This isn't pug wars. Do you want more flexibility or variety to the game? Customization, perhaps? Being able to enjoy all professions even though you only play a paragon? Then heroes should get PvE skills. Don't be stupid. Anet called this a CORPG for a reason. You can play with your friends.
/signed
First people QQed about ursan. Now heroes and PvE skills. There's a reason ANET doesn't listen to you:
You will ALYWAAAAAAAYS find something to complain about.
I, for one, think Heroes should get PvE skills. While monster skills would make them more overpowered than people, with the exception of Mox, the slogan is "Play with your friends, or ours!" and they should be able to have the same advantages/disadvantages as the player. Ohhhh, but what about the QQers saying "aaaaa its overpowered omg omg omg aaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!"? A full human team can do the same, if not, better, than heroes, dumbasses, and it is people like you who make me think common sense isn't too common anymore <_<
"Play with your friends or ours!"
Specifically, you should be playing with your friends, or that of ANET. This isn't pug wars. Do you want more flexibility or variety to the game? Customization, perhaps? Being able to enjoy all professions even though you only play a paragon? Then heroes should get PvE skills. Don't be stupid. Anet called this a CORPG for a reason. You can play with your friends.
/signed
sixofone
I like the idea of the OP, if not the specific details. (A lot of PvE skills are imba imho, and giving Vekk all of the Asuran skills seems like overkill.)
I do like the idea of having heroes possess a unique Hero skill, though. Makes each hero more of a collectible - so MoW is different from Olias and Livia; Koss is different from Goren; Melonni from Kahmu; etc. The challenge, of course, would be to give each hero a unique skill that was balanced - otherwise, as we see with regular and elite skills, only a handful ever see regular play.
Of course, that would also add to the desire to implement a full hero party...
I do like the idea of having heroes possess a unique Hero skill, though. Makes each hero more of a collectible - so MoW is different from Olias and Livia; Koss is different from Goren; Melonni from Kahmu; etc. The challenge, of course, would be to give each hero a unique skill that was balanced - otherwise, as we see with regular and elite skills, only a handful ever see regular play.
Of course, that would also add to the desire to implement a full hero party...
Steps_Descending
RP is above balance, and signatures are free.
For what it is worth :
/signed
Ironic isn't it... same goes for HM and Full Sets of Cons (at least last time I saw them).
Tought 1 imbagon is smarter play than some other abused skills.
Also, a note on Razah : no "call-to-torment-like" skill for him, it's actually a demon skill. I'm surprised you forgot that detail Azazel.
For what it is worth :
/signed
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I agree on this one, but i find it very ironic that SMS is for removing PvE skills and yet you are the guys who rely heavily on imbagon for your pve success
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Tought 1 imbagon is smarter play than some other abused skills.
Also, a note on Razah : no "call-to-torment-like" skill for him, it's actually a demon skill. I'm surprised you forgot that detail Azazel.
Konig Des Todes
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Also, a note on Razah : no "call-to-torment-like" skill for him, it's actually a demon skill. I'm surprised you forgot that detail Azazel.
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Mr Pink57
I think allowing them to get just one of the pve skills you have grinded would be nice, can you imagine a N/Rt with GDW.
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bhavv
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
/not-signed. They need to remove PvE skills, not add them to heroes.
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Dont need PVE skills, just need 7 heroes with a bar of 8 normal skills on each.
The Meth
Razah with call to the torment. lol. Would be cool, but no. Just no.
MagmaRed
Trample on Zhed? Good god. Enough people already complain about his eratic aggro behavior. Giving him a skill that requiers him to run into a mob to use would be horrid. You'd be forced to give him skills to deal with it, and not give him a 'normal' build for an Elementalist.
Razah....lol. Razah goes below 50% health and uses Call to Torment. New Razah is made I have seen Torment creatures multiply more than once, and have 1 monster become 4 or 5 due to targeting issues. Can you imagine having a team of 2 players and 2 Razah's becoming a team of 2 players and 4 Razah's, 6 Razah's?
Overall, I see no reason at all to give any hero any PvE only skill, and even less reason to give them Monster skills. I play with hero/hench more than I do other people. However, this is a game designed around MULTIPLAYER aspects, so you should be playing with other people if you want those skills used.
Razah....lol. Razah goes below 50% health and uses Call to Torment. New Razah is made
I have seen Torment creatures multiply more than once, and have 1 monster become 4 or 5 due to targeting issues. Can you imagine having a team of 2 players and 2 Razah's becoming a team of 2 players and 4 Razah's, 6 Razah's?Overall, I see no reason at all to give any hero any PvE only skill, and even less reason to give them Monster skills. I play with hero/hench more than I do other people. However, this is a game designed around MULTIPLAYER aspects, so you should be playing with other people if you want those skills used.
Konig Des Todes
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Trample on Zhed? Good god. Enough people already complain about his eratic aggro behavior. Giving him a skill that requiers him to run into a mob to use would be horrid. You'd be forced to give him skills to deal with it, and not give him a 'normal' build for an Elementalist.
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Razah....lol. Razah goes below 50% health and uses Call to Torment. New Razah is made
I have seen Torment creatures multiply more than once, and have 1 monster become 4 or 5 due to targeting issues. Can you imagine having a team of 2 players and 2 Razah's becoming a team of 2 players and 4 Razah's, 6 Razah's? |
Could easily put a timer on the duplicates as well.
The Call of Torment (personally something I would love to see just for laughs) seems to be the most hated skill of the suggestions. Bigger Nerfed version?