The guilds that sell invites are just lowering the guild quality by letting random ppl ware there tags/capes.Good way to kill a guilds respect in the community.
Players willing to pay money to be invited into a guild just so they can run around saying " Hey look at my cape, im leet..bite me noob i got a gold cape"..well they have bigger probs to worry about.
But to each is own.
ok to sell invites?
The Toe Tag
-Sonata-
A top guild selling its spots is a guild I'd never want to be a part of no matter what fame, or prestige follows in its name.
the kurzick eater
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It bothers me more when people get mad because someone likes pve more than pvp. Like calling someone a pve scrub because they like it better and don't pvp too much. Just seems childish to me. If someone wants to do something more than something else, what is it to you?
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The guilds that sell invites are just lowering the guild quality by letting random ppl ware there tags/capes.Good way to kill a guilds respect in the community.
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If I had a Gold Trim guild, I wouldn't sell invites for 100k.
I'd sell for 100k+50 ecto. Screw those morons who pay for invites, they can have their fun, and I'll make some cash. Idiots. |
Ekelon
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This is almost as bad
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10267732 customized Festival Hat Collection LOL must be hard strapped for cash. |
End the thoughtless comments please.
Darkobra
Yeah, let's go with "I'm doing it for you". We can't take them to the hat trader to wear them, we can't wear them ourselves and they'd clog up space to the point they'd go in the trash.
Also, you said you were keeping them unless your 100k bid was met. If you were TRULY doing it for others, you'd be giving them away for free.
Well, like someone else said, "A fool and their money are easily parted." Now bring on the fools!
Also, you said you were keeping them unless your 100k bid was met. If you were TRULY doing it for others, you'd be giving them away for free.
Well, like someone else said, "A fool and their money are easily parted." Now bring on the fools!
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Strapped for cash eh? I easily have over 1000 ectos that I earned myself through fair means (not power trading). I'm doing this for people not like you, but people who like to collect.
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How many of you guys have every single prestige armor set? How many of you have god walking amongst mere mortals? How many of you have HoM fully unlocked. I did this for you.
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The time it took me to gather all the hats from my guildmates, and convince them of this, I could have easily gathered over twice the amount the bid is going for in there.
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This isn't like selling a guild invite, to get someone else's customized hat does not mean you got something that took them a long time to get.
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End the thoughtless comments please.
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-I just had to post on this...if needed, please do the -1 thing..I just hope a few see it. and for the record, i'm not against it, I just find it unbelievably...Tacky
Scars Of Ownage
let me just take a wild guess of which guild in particular u r talking about. I guarantee u are talking about all those [eF] scrubs selling invites. If u join the guild make sure to keep urself set to offline or DND cuz u will get pmed with massive insults for making the dumbest move ever
Scars Of Ownage
I do and many other people believe with me that >>>YOU HAVE TO EARN YOUR TRIM<<<<<. For me I have earned a couple silver trims for gvging with top 50 ranked guilds and a couple bronze trim as well.
Default Name
Why should anyone care seriously? If it's your guild, do whatever the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you want with it. Moral issues? Respect? Lmao...
Oh yeah, not all PVPers are d***heads. Those are normally the losers who got beat too much and badly in need of an e-peen stroke.
Oh yeah, not all PVPers are d***heads. Those are normally the losers who got beat too much and badly in need of an e-peen stroke.
fenix
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moko
i'd sell invites NP if there was someone asking for our silver trim.
done it once the evening we got our trim for the lulz, too.
but who wants silver now when it's so easy to have pretty gold ones by now. :'(
done it once the evening we got our trim for the lulz, too.
but who wants silver now when it's so easy to have pretty gold ones by now. :'(
Snow Bunny
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i'd sell invites NP if there was someone asking for our silver trim.
done it once the evening we got our trim for the lulz, too. but who wants silver now when it's so easy to have pretty gold ones by now. :'( |
BRB GETTING $200
Ekelon
I like how this topic is turning into a personal attack on me. I would just brisk it away, but then other people would would have biased thoughts against me. I am merely defending myself here. There actually are a lot of underlying concepts that slightly and on a much much lesser scale of things (also setting limites) relate to the cape selling.
Hah, yea, and then every single person in Guild Wars would want a hat. I personally do not believe in the first come first serve thing. The reason I said I was keeping it was because, simply saying that I would rather keep it. I would rather waste 9 inventory slots keeping such a collection than giving it to someone who really doesn't value the collection for what it's worth.
Let's put it in a simpler real life analogy. If I were to give you a brand new Ferrari for free. It simply would not mean as much to you as compared if you had earned the money to buy it for $200,000.
In layman's terms, think about a rare baseball card. Are they worth anything to you? Probably not. But are they worth thousands of dollars to a baseball card collecter? Yes, and you can't deny that.
You kind of answered yourself right there. (see above paragraph)
But see, I don't know you. I also don't know most everyone in the Guild Wars community. Now, being nice and helping random people in public places (aka this forum) is nice, but if I do something nice to one person, people will get jealous. Putting it on high end, is unfortunately, my only way of finding a person who will think it's worth the value (this being the value they payed for it and more).
The reason it was hard, was because:
1. This is not important enough to post a guild announcement about. It would seem quite selfish at the first outlook, and there is not enough room on the announcement to explain the situation. Just think about what you're asking me to do...
2. Some people may have had misconceptions.
I am pretty sure I made it clear that I value the collection to be more than the reserve price, but I would rather see another individual get it as it is not worth as much to me (seeing how as I am already in the guild with the respective members).
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Yeah, let's go with "I'm doing it for you". We can't take them to the hat trader to wear them, we can't wear them ourselves and they'd clog up space to the point they'd go in the trash.
Also, you said you were keeping them unless your 100k bid was met. If you were TRULY doing it for others, you'd be giving them away for free. Well, like someone else said, "A fool and their money are easily parted." Now bring on the fools! |
Let's put it in a simpler real life analogy. If I were to give you a brand new Ferrari for free. It simply would not mean as much to you as compared if you had earned the money to buy it for $200,000.
In layman's terms, think about a rare baseball card. Are they worth anything to you? Probably not. But are they worth thousands of dollars to a baseball card collecter? Yes, and you can't deny that.
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did you know that people who like to collect, also like FREE items? but...if they were free...it wouldn't be worth it...would it?
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No, if you did it for me, they would be free...not in a auction with an unlimited bid amount. which i'm sure you are willing to let itself grow nice and large.
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it's not THAT hard to post a guild announcement, which tells me you're not happy with the bid amount, at least not yet, thus implying it's all about the gold...not about doing it for me.
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1. This is not important enough to post a guild announcement about. It would seem quite selfish at the first outlook, and there is not enough room on the announcement to explain the situation. Just think about what you're asking me to do...
2. Some people may have had misconceptions.
I am pretty sure I made it clear that I value the collection to be more than the reserve price, but I would rather see another individual get it as it is not worth as much to me (seeing how as I am already in the guild with the respective members).
angmar_nite
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WTB INVITE TO NOGG>
BRB GETTING $200 |
I GOTS MORE $200.01 TO BE IN noGG!!
Darkobra
A free Ferrari is a gift to be treasured, as it's a sign of generosity. Paying for one yourself is nothing more than flaunting wealth that the general population HONESTLY don't give a rat's ass about. Your hats are that Ferrari.
But let's face it. It's not me you have to convince. You're doing it for money, you're selling it for money. Now just convince yourself otherwise.
But let's face it. It's not me you have to convince. You're doing it for money, you're selling it for money. Now just convince yourself otherwise.
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A free Ferrari is a gift to be treasured, as it's a sign of generosity. Paying for one yourself is nothing more than flaunting wealth that the general population HONESTLY don't give a rat's ass about. Your hats are that Ferrari.
But let's face it. It's not me you have to convince. You're doing it for money, you're selling it for money. Now just convince yourself otherwise. |
Ekelon
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A free Ferrari is a gift to be treasured, as it's a sign of generosity. Paying for one yourself is nothing more than flaunting wealth that the general population HONESTLY don't give a rat's ass about. Your hats are that Ferrari.
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But let's face it. It's not me you have to convince. You're doing it for money, you're selling it for money. Now just convince yourself otherwise.
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Keep up the wild claims coming so I can counter you. This is fun.
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Except...Hats aren't like a Ferrari. They're like a Ferrari badge stuck on a Dodge Neon. The hat is a pile of crap, but has a famous name on it, zzzz
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I do agree that a free Ferrari is a gift to be treasured. However, the same thing can be said of any gift. The problem with your argument, is that you are missing one key factor in your claim. Money is something you spend wisely. You obviously are not the Bill Gates of Guild Wars, or you wouldn't be attempting to make that point. A person does not just "waste" $200,000 on a Ferrari. He must want it. Maybe his life goal was to buy a Ferrari? Would we call him flaunting his wealth? Would his neighbors make fun of him for trying to flaunt his wealth? No. The actions are neither ethical nor logical. They would clearly care about the Ferrari. Yes, the "general population" does not give a "rat's ass" about it, so why are you even caring about my Ferrari? Apparently you think there is something to talk about in making this claim. Thus, this brings me back to my main point. A person who truly values something for it's worth, will go at any lengths, especially time, to achieve it.
This claim that I am about to make, is solely in response of your uncalled transgression. Clearly you have not gone to English class or something. Argument lesson #1: if you want to make a point through to someone, you do not lecture them like they are hardheaded little kids. You provide reasonable examples and evidences to proove your point. Clearly you do not understand that so I will not try to make you see any difference. I see this as merely an opportunity to get my point through to other individuals who are reading this thread. Keep up the wild claims coming so I can counter you. This is fun. |
Also; I have an Ogre-Slaying Knife customised by War First Queen, wts 100e.
Darkobra
You're right. I didn't go to English classes. In Scotland, we inherently learn the language from schools that don't exist.
Now, when you say money's not an issue, yet go on and sell a gift for money, what ARE you trying to accomplish? Seeing as you're having fun trying to defend the pride of your actions, you already know what you're doing is morally questionable.
And, my dear boy, a counter implies an equal and opposite force. Maybe in your valued English classes, you can pick that one up.
I know I've already won this, but I like to hammer a load of nails into a nice, sturdy coffin. Mainly because the banging sound is fun from the retalliation.
Now, when you say money's not an issue, yet go on and sell a gift for money, what ARE you trying to accomplish? Seeing as you're having fun trying to defend the pride of your actions, you already know what you're doing is morally questionable.
And, my dear boy, a counter implies an equal and opposite force. Maybe in your valued English classes, you can pick that one up.
I know I've already won this, but I like to hammer a load of nails into a nice, sturdy coffin. Mainly because the banging sound is fun from the retalliation.
Ekelon
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You're right. I didn't go to English classes. In Scotland, we inherently learn the language from schools that don't exist.
Now, when you say money's not an issue, yet go on and sell a gift for money, what ARE you trying to accomplish? Seeing as you're having fun trying to defend the pride of your actions, you already know what you're doing is morally questionable. And, my dear boy, a counter implies an equal and opposite force. Maybe in your valued English classes, you can pick that one up. |
Read the above 2-3 posts from me. It's already quite obvious you aren't reading my whole post as you are asking for the umpteenth time what I am trying to accomplish as have already explained what I am trying to accomplish. Also, morally questionable? What kind of morals do you follow? I won't allow this discussion to venture into the areas of morality and religion, as different people have different views, so the questions I have just asked are merely for rhetorical purposes.
You said a counter implies whatever you said. Implying something is up to personal opinion on how they imply it. A counter, however denotes "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action" (Dictionary.com).
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I know I've already won this, but I like to hammer a load of nails into a nice, sturdy coffin. Mainly because the banging sound is fun from the retalliation.
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I'd like to continue this in PMs, since you are forcing the both of us to veer the discussion off topic.
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WhiteWasabi's one.
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the kurzick eater
ok please, stop flaming my damn thread. i could use without it. I.E EKELON
(i dont have anything wrong with you, just deal with this off my thread please).
great point, and honestly, the people joining the guilds are the true idiots.
id have to agree with him here.. sorry lol
(i dont have anything wrong with you, just deal with this off my thread please).
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True, but usually the guilds that sell invites have already been sold, and aren't being used by the people who made it. Like eF, it was sold, and the person who bought it sold invites. Like DF, it was sold, and the guy who bought is selling invites (now all officers too). It happens with a lot of guilds. So most people don't lose respect, because they know that either the guys sold the guild, or aren't going to use it any more.
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Stop wall o' texting and read posts. Ferrari analogy won't work, the hats are WORTHLESS. They just have a fancy name. Try comparing to something that actually makes sense, like an autograph from a singer.
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RhanoctJocosa
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forgive me if this is the wrong forum first of all.
my question to you all is: if you were the leader of a top ranked guild (cape trimmed guild) would you sell invites to random people? (the average price is 100k to a former #1 tourney winner or w/e) i for one wouldn't send invites to random pve newbs that have no idea what balanced means. i compare this to whoring you and your guildies out for pixel money.. but this is just my opinion. what about you guys? |
the kurzick eater
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Nothing wrong with it. Also, there are some pretty good players in eF/DF that I know of (most likely better than you), despite most being PvErs.
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secondly, i assume you are one of those who have bought their capes seeing as you are defending the guilds so much. i could care less even if they are better than me, thats not the issue. im not sure why 90% of your post is insults, and 10% of it is actually on topic.
In fact, every time i read your post i have to restrain from PMing you further.
<--talk to bob
Gun Pierson
@Ekelon: Wouldn't it be more creative to for example hold a cape design contest or something else? If you guys have a fanclub, I'm sure they would love it. The winner of the contest gets the hat collection.
Would be a fun thread on the forums and good for the guild in general.
On topic: didn't even know people are buying them in. Not my cup of tea though.
Would be a fun thread on the forums and good for the guild in general.
On topic: didn't even know people are buying them in. Not my cup of tea though.
Lothlorian Sassun
lol this thread is entertaining... Customized Hats! lol and some sap actually bought them!!! lol
Anyways, If you are stupid enough to pay 100K to join a guild then you get what you deserve...This whole thread sounds like a scam to me.
Anyways, If you are stupid enough to pay 100K to join a guild then you get what you deserve...This whole thread sounds like a scam to me.
the kurzick eater
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lol this thread is entertaining... Customized Hats! lol and some sap actually bought them!!! lol
Anyways, If you are stupid enough to pay 100K to join a guild then you get what you deserve...This whole thread sounds like a scam to me. |
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Lord Sojar
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QFT.
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the kurzick eater
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DF as well.... their guild was sold for 800USD... PvE nublets now infest it.
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1)horrible rep
2)1000s of pms calling you an idiot for paying for a cape
3)fake money from invites!
hm... doesn't sound just grand? i mean you COULD have spent it on, say,helping starving children or something
Mr. Undisclosed
Wow I see nothing wrong with it. I mean if someone was going to pay 100k+ for an invite then I'll be damned if I didn't accept.
Default Name
Then boot 'em after getting the 100k+.... or does that count as a scam?
~ Dan ~
Well, it's not against the EULA.
But any guild that does it should get zero respect. They earned the cape (or maybe they got it thanks to pro guilds err7'ing); no need to cash in on it from idiots who've probably only ever had 100k.
But any guild that does it should get zero respect. They earned the cape (or maybe they got it thanks to pro guilds err7'ing); no need to cash in on it from idiots who've probably only ever had 100k.
Tamuril elansar
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wow , 800 bucks buys:
1)horrible rep 2)1000s of pms calling you an idiot for paying for a cape 3)fake money from invites! hm... doesn't sound just grand? i mean you COULD have spent it on, say,helping starving children or something |
now the new owner of DF is selling invites for 100k+
later he is going to sell that money for real life money so he makes more cash than he spends. Geuss he's not so stupid after all.
MirkoTeran
If there are people desperate enough to buy (temp)invites and guild leaders agree why not sell them?
Pleikki
Its ppls joice pay for getting kicked after 2 weeks i dont care if someone wanna pay for that
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Nothing wrong with it. Also, there are some pretty good players in eF/DF that I know of (most likely better than you), despite most being PvErs.
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romeus petrus
Been done many times before. Top guilds were even sold on ebay for $XXX. One of the high ranked guilds was recently sold, and the person who bought it was selling invites for 30k-100k.
Whether or not that is ethical depends who you ask.
I certainly had people offer me as high as 100k to join LOD since we have a long waiting list; I am glad to say I have never charged anyone for an invite.
Whether or not that is ethical depends who you ask.
I certainly had people offer me as high as 100k to join LOD since we have a long waiting list; I am glad to say I have never charged anyone for an invite.
Oleg
Someone wants to pay 100K for a screenie that says, "I paid 100K for something I didn't earn." Big deal. Let them do it.
Gold trim is permanent. A permanent trim can't be offered and then taken away, simple as that.
Gold trim is permanent. A permanent trim can't be offered and then taken away, simple as that.
blurmedia
-Buy gold trim for $800
-Sell invites 100k each
-Sell your GW money for real money
-Profit
-Sell invites 100k each
-Sell your GW money for real money
-Profit
Cass
Selling trim for in-game gold dilutes your own 'mark of achievement', but that's largely irrelevant if the guild is dead already. I'd still prefer to park such a guild, but whatever. It's kind of funny that people are so keen to make in-game money at this stage of the game. What are you going to buy with it? Another neon shield? Sweet tooth title? Talk about achievement lol.
Selling for real money is against the EULA, as far as I know.
Selling for real money is against the EULA, as far as I know.