imo its a bit much to be able to have FB on permanently.
They nerf everything else why not this?
Change Flashing Blades
Hailey Anne
demo113
Because a stance that takes up your elite skill just to have 75% block while your attacking isn't overpowered. Wild blow/throw/strike or spells > FB.
FlamingMetroid
because it sux as it is, critical defenses is MUCH better.
Konig Des Todes
In order to maintain it, you need at least 15 dagger mastery, not many people would put a sup rune on a sin. And it isn't that overpowering anyways, as it was said, a Wild attack can take it off no challenge and also, it was already nerfed a while back. Before it was nerfed, you could maintain it at 12 dagger mastery, not 15.
RavagerOfDreams
no need to change it. It sux 
Stormlord Alex
I get the impression that the OP is clueless.
anyone concurr?
anyone concurr?
Tyla
It sucks. It's effect is conditional, by far. [skill]critical defenses[/skill] > that.
Plus you have to be attacking over it.
If you think this skill is imba I think you should uninstall....:/
Plus you have to be attacking over it.
If you think this skill is imba I think you should uninstall....:/
Diddy bow
I was sorta thinking you’d want to buff it..?
I want to buff it
Even if it didn’t have the crippling "while attacking" requirement it would still be questionable. (needing a huge dagger requirement to be kept up permanent prevents monk abuse)
I want to buff it
Even if it didn’t have the crippling "while attacking" requirement it would still be questionable. (needing a huge dagger requirement to be kept up permanent prevents monk abuse)
Hailey Anne
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I get the impression that the OP is clueless.
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Sure it isnt that great IF you bring wild blow.
My point is that it can be kept up always and nothing should be able to do that.
I said IMO incase you cant read.
If you dont like the idea I really dont care no need to be flaming by calling me clueless.
But mods please just close this thread I can see a bunch of asses already dont need more.
Arkantos
If anything, it needs a buff, not a nerf. The skill is shit.
Ultra Mega
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My point is that it can be kept up always and nothing should be able to do that.
I said IMO incase you cant read. |
Tyla
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My point is that it can be kept up always and nothing should be able to do that.
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Nor is this skill. It has a huge penalty for upkeep, and if you're having problems with this skill and think it's overpowered, I suggest /uninstalling.
Easy things to do -- Target switching, Kiting to negate the Block effect...
HawkofStorms
Don't post on a DISCUSSION forum if you don't want people to DISCUSS your ideas. People have the right to agree and disagree with your opinion.
If you just want people to say "why, what a brillant young man that Hailey Anne is, we should do that right away" you have a lot to learn about life.
If you just want people to say "why, what a brillant young man that Hailey Anne is, we should do that right away" you have a lot to learn about life.
Nevin
I think Flashing Blades should cause bleeding or something upon successful blocks. Something to make it better then Glad's Defense. Or atleast AS good as Glad's defense.
Arkantos
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I think Flashing Blades should cause bleeding or something upon successful blocks. Something to make it better then Glad's Defense. Or atleast AS good as Glad's defense.
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Tyla
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I think Flashing Blades should cause bleeding or something upon successful blocks. Something to make it better then Glad's Defense. Or atleast AS good as Glad's defense.
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And Glad's Defense is still really bad.
Hailey Anne
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Don't post on a DISCUSSION forum if you don't want people to DISCUSS your ideas. People have the right to agree and disagree with your opinion.
If you just want people to say "why, what a brillant young man that Hailey Anne is, we should do that right away" you have a lot to learn about life. |
calling someone clueless because they think a skill should be changed is NOT a discussion its being an ass.
FlamingMetroid
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DISCUSS all you want.
calling someone clueless because they think a skill should be changed is NOT a discussion its being an ass. |
Div
Another bad suggestion to nerf assassins. That with those horrible title suggestions make Sardelac as bad as it's been in the past year.
Tyla
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DISCUSS all you want.
calling someone clueless because they think a skill should be changed is NOT a discussion its being an ass. |
Asking for a nerf on an already terribad skill is bad.
Yuhe Ji
Flashing Blades is a very useless skill for a human, and I hope no sin uses it in PvE or PvP (when there's critical defenses).
demo113
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DISCUSS all you want.
calling someone clueless because they think a skill should be changed is NOT a discussion its being an ass. |
Hailey Anne
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And why shouldn't they call you clueless? You just sound like someone who got beat 1v1 by a sin with FB and instead of countering it or using team mates to help in a team game you cry nerf.
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I dont bother fighting sins with FB.
Any other sin I can easily take out 1on1.
I can kite easy I know how to play this game very well.
I just think that a constant block is bad.
why do you think they tried to nerf gaurdian?
although they didnt do a very good job of it.
same reason they tried to nerf perma SF sin.
again bad job.
Glads defense is just as bad but its not perma.
FB has the condition that you have to be attacking for it to work but guess what the sins WILL be attacking so thats not much of a condition.
Crit defense atleast has the condition that you have to land a crit strike in x amount of time.
thats what I'm wanting with FB a different condition other than has to be attacking.
If its to last 30 seconds with a 30 sec recharge fine give it the condition of you have to land a crit stirke in x amount of time or ends if you fail to hit or anything.
but w/e
Mods just close this thread please so this doesnt turn out bad.
I can already see whats going to come soon.
Tyla
Izzy actually nerfed Guardian because of spammability.
If maintainment was the problem, he would of gave it an 8+ recharge.
If you think that's bad for the game I think you're just bad yourself.
You need to use a major rune, lowering your survivability, as a 'Sin anyway.
Plus I thought skill balances were based around GvG, last time I checked 'Sins don't run CritDefenses outside of PvE, RA and AB.
P.S -- PermaSF 'Sin is just a small problem. In HA, they probably won't get past a more strategical map. And 1-6 fame isn't worth bo-didly.
And in AB, they're just there to ignore, like Earth Tanks.
If maintainment was the problem, he would of gave it an 8+ recharge.
If you think that's bad for the game I think you're just bad yourself.
You need to use a major rune, lowering your survivability, as a 'Sin anyway.
Plus I thought skill balances were based around GvG, last time I checked 'Sins don't run CritDefenses outside of PvE, RA and AB.
P.S -- PermaSF 'Sin is just a small problem. In HA, they probably won't get past a more strategical map. And 1-6 fame isn't worth bo-didly.
And in AB, they're just there to ignore, like Earth Tanks.
Konig Des Todes
Hailey Anne, your only argument for nerfing this skill is because it can be maintained. Just about 1/3 of the skills that are not one time hits can be maintained at a lower requirement then 15. So you want to nerf over 1/3 of the skills in GW? That's just plain idiotic. And if you say "no not nerf all those skills" then you just put your own argument in the trash, tyvm.
BlackSephir
Crap, next thing I know, they'll want to nerf my Wastrel's Collapse and Seeping Wound.
LEAVE ME ALONE!!!1
LEAVE ME ALONE!!!1
yum
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LOL.
I dont bother fighting sins with FB. Any other sin I can easily take out 1on1. I can kite easy I know how to play this game very well. I just think that a constant block is bad. why do you think they tried to nerf gaurdian? although they didnt do a very good job of it. same reason they tried to nerf perma SF sin. again bad job. Glads defense is just as bad but its not perma. FB has the condition that you have to be attacking for it to work but guess what the sins WILL be attacking so thats not much of a condition. Crit defense atleast has the condition that you have to land a crit strike in x amount of time. thats what I'm wanting with FB a different condition other than has to be attacking. If its to last 30 seconds with a 30 sec recharge fine give it the condition of you have to land a crit stirke in x amount of time or ends if you fail to hit or anything. but w/e Mods just close this thread please so this doesnt turn out bad. I can already see whats going to come soon. |
oh noesss
Konig Des Todes
vote for close of this rather pointless topic, little argument to nerf FB and it sucks enough.
Luminarus
Hmmm since we are talking about FB, how bout we fix this topic and put it in the direction it should be going...
How to buff Flashing Blades???
1) IAS & Lower Block rate
2) Decreased Recharge on sin attacks
3) IMS & Lower Block rate (Move to Crit/Shadow)
Just couple of ideas in the way this thread should have been going.
How to buff Flashing Blades???
1) IAS & Lower Block rate
2) Decreased Recharge on sin attacks
3) IMS & Lower Block rate (Move to Crit/Shadow)
Just couple of ideas in the way this thread should have been going.
Stormlord Alex
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I can kite easy I know how to play this game very well.
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I'm seeing otherwise.
/close please, before I fall off my chair laughing... again. I might hurt myself one of these days >.>
Tosha
Darkhell153
Nice one Tosha, credit where it's due.
Now on topic:
I actually use a sin with FB, even when there's critical defense...(actually that's my secondary protection) FB doesn't need to be nerfed, it needs to be left alone. At the moment I'm able to use a decent chain with it and it works fairly well, but if you nerf it that's basically destroying my favorite build so leave it alone and stop whining about trivial stuff or stop playing guild wars.
*I always work my way to a harsh fact of life at the end of a sentence :P*
Now on topic:
I actually use a sin with FB, even when there's critical defense...(actually that's my secondary protection) FB doesn't need to be nerfed, it needs to be left alone. At the moment I'm able to use a decent chain with it and it works fairly well, but if you nerf it that's basically destroying my favorite build so leave it alone and stop whining about trivial stuff or stop playing guild wars.
*I always work my way to a harsh fact of life at the end of a sentence :P*
HawkofStorms
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vote for close of this rather pointless topic, little argument to nerf FB and it sucks enough.
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Do not close this please. It has not degregated to complete flaming/trolling.
Like I said earlier, he should respect our opinions, but we also have a right to listen to and respect his. While we may all disagree with him, that does not give us the right to demand this thread be closed.
I say keep it open. Who knows, maybe he will come up with a very bizzare build that abuses FB or explain it in such a way to change our minds (not likely, but hey, it "could" happen). As a forum, the right thing to do is to let the OP try to do this. After all, forums are for discussion and the improvement of our way of thinking about the game.
demo113
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LOL.
I dont bother fighting sins with FB. Any other sin I can easily take out 1on1. I can kite easy I know how to play this game very well. I just think that a constant block is bad. why do you think they tried to nerf gaurdian? although they didnt do a very good job of it. same reason they tried to nerf perma SF sin. again bad job. Glads defense is just as bad but its not perma. FB has the condition that you have to be attacking for it to work but guess what the sins WILL be attacking so thats not much of a condition. Crit defense atleast has the condition that you have to land a crit strike in x amount of time. thats what I'm wanting with FB a different condition other than has to be attacking. If its to last 30 seconds with a 30 sec recharge fine give it the condition of you have to land a crit stirke in x amount of time or ends if you fail to hit or anything. but w/e Mods just close this thread please so this doesnt turn out bad. I can already see whats going to come soon. |
If you knew how to play the game as well as you say you do you would know how bad this skill is and that its extremely easy to counter and that its gimping the sin who could bring a GOOD elite instead.
Guardian could be kept up on the caster AND another target permanently. FB can not. Guardian was unconditional. FB is conditional. Your comparison is crap and you know it.
Perma SF and perma FB are COMPLETELY different. Another terrible comparison.
FB has a condition. They have to be attacking. Knock them down kite them etc and there elite is now nullified.
FB is a terrible elite that only bad sins are going to be running. If you think it's so good then go run one and see how bad it is for yourself.
Hailey Anne
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Hmmm since we are talking about FB, how bout we fix this topic and put it in the direction it should be going...
How to buff Flashing Blades??? 1) IAS & Lower Block rate 2) Decreased Recharge on sin attacks 3) IMS & Lower Block rate (Move to Crit/Shadow) Just couple of ideas in the way this thread should have been going. |
especially number 3 moving to crit.
Like I said I just dont like the 30/30 on it with the only condition is you have to be attacking.
But seriously mods close this damn thread while some people on here are actually just discussing the idea itself which is great there are a few just trolling/flamming me for no reason. and yes it is for no reason. Just because you dont think its a good idea doesnt mean Im clueless or dont know how to play. If I see you guys in any pvp areas ill be the sin dancing over your dead bodies.
Close before I end up telling these assholes what I really think of them.
Clarissa F
PvP: lol. You said Flashing Blades.
PvE: a little skill called Critical Agility made this as useful as tits on a bull. Not that it was ever worth much more than a cap, anyway.
Calling a nerf for a skill that is a bad elite leads people to question your understanding of sins.
Oh, and saying "before I end up telling these assholes what I really think of them" is a nice way to take the high ground. I don't think anyone is worried about the "flashing blades nerf" sin dancing over anyone.
PvE: a little skill called Critical Agility made this as useful as tits on a bull. Not that it was ever worth much more than a cap, anyway.
Calling a nerf for a skill that is a bad elite leads people to question your understanding of sins.
Oh, and saying "before I end up telling these assholes what I really think of them" is a nice way to take the high ground. I don't think anyone is worried about the "flashing blades nerf" sin dancing over anyone.
MithranArkanere
Hm... why not to give it the 'Flashing' it lacks?
If you are attacking, you block attacks, if you are not attacking, you blind those that attack of a short period.
If you are attacking, you block attacks, if you are not attacking, you blind those that attack of a short period.