Definitive 'best' PvE Sin discussion

People to discuss and agree on an optimal build? Aiming for max efficiency in every slot? You may one day realize that there is no such thing. incorrect
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People to discuss and agree on an optimal build? Aiming for max efficiency in every slot? You may one day realize that there is no such thing. I wish

that would be the optimal gw, where everything is balanced. unfortunately this is the real world and some things are better than others.

There is no such thing as a "definitive best PVE sin". In fact, there's no such thing as a "definitive best" any build. No matter what build you create, you will encounter areas and situations where another build is better suited. 'Optional'. It's been mentioned.

OK, then. Let me know once you guys are done creating your "definitive best PVE sin" build.

I'll drag your "definitive best PVE sin" build and show you many, many, many, many situations where your "definitive best PVE sin" won't be as effective as switching to another build.

There is no such thing as a "definitive best PVE sin". In fact, there's no such thing as a "definitive best" any build. No matter what build you create, you will encounter areas and situations where another build is better suited. once again, this perfectly balanced guild wars does not exist. it would be nice is it did, but in the cuttent state of the game some skills and synergys are imba. thats just how it is. any odd situation should be able to be handles by 1-2 optional skill slots.

Critical Defenses and Agility are not loaded with defense. Defenses only works against attacks and +24 armor on an A isn't too much to boast about. The only time to really use SY is in HM and in HM, CD and CA aren't good enough for an A to spam SY, even with healers healing him. Then your Monks fail hard. Harsh but true, because I don't even run Critical Defenses with my version of the build and do just fine on HM and elite areas when I have a good Monk, be it player or hero. Seriously, if your Monks fail to keep you alive when the whole party has +100 armour then it's time to look for a new team to play with.

As for definitive Assassin build, find an Assassin build that does what this does better? I guarantee you that there isn't really anything that comes close because there are various variants of the build to cope with most issues the player is faced up against.

I agree that the extra effects on the leads mentioned in this thread are good, but I personally prefer to run Jagged Strike- bleeding is nice on all fleshy creatures, and the 1s recharge really can't be beat.

My build lately (keep in mind I'm only at the Echovald in Factions):

[Jagged Strike]
[Wild Strike]
[Death Blossom]
[Lotus Strike] (extra energy)
[Critical Strike] (guaranteed crit)
[Critical Agility]
Optional
Optional

I love the quick recharge of the primary attack chain, which allows for spammability- more spamming when I can cap Moebius. Lotus and Critical are useful for their extra effects if I need them. So far, it's been serving me really well, but I'd be happy to take suggestions on it. You shouldn't need lotus strike if you already have Crit Strike. Sneak Attack >= Golden Fox > Unsuspecting > other leads > Jagged strike. It's baed, 1 sec recharge doesn't mean anything when all the other recharges are 4sec-ish.

jagged strike
wild strike
repeating strike
death blossom
crit eye
flashing blades
save yourselves
rez/dash/optional Anyone with any common sense would not take that over a MS/DB spammer. You simply cannot compete with repeatable AoE double strikes and if taken in a variant repeatable double strike energy management.

jagged strike

repeating strike

flashing blades I lol'd
no wonder good players cant get PUGs

so you can die faster?

anyways, that's pretty insane. Thats it, vigor rune on chest

Thanks for proving im not...perverted.

That "Build" was to prove i could deal more damage with a staff than some other guys random build.

The secret weapon all sins have been waiting for.

Crit Wanding! You won for me. That's epic fun.

you don't seem to get the point. The word "discussion" is not relevent. People to discuss and agree on an optimal build? Aiming for max efficiency in every slot? You may one day realize that there is no such thing. I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to be disagreeable. The word discussion is very relevant, because that is what is occurring. Just because people may not all agree does not mean a majority will not arise, and even if not, does not invalidate the discussion.

Just a few of the posts in this thread show skills and builds which might help Sin players play better.

And I can give you one PvE skill which is max efficiency for an Assassin, Critical Agility. A long IAS that auto-refreshes off the high primary attribute of the class, as well as a decent armor buff that is better than any armor insignia or many other armor boosting skills. I dare you to find a skill that does more for the Assassin than that.

And as for a "best build" in PvE, well as some have stated you can c-space through the game and let h/h pick up the slack. What is being discussed is the "optimal" build for an assassin, and before you whine and complain, you of course need to define what is optimal. That depends on the class, and what you're trying to accomplish with it.

While a shadow stepping AP build works very well in PvE, and is something I use occasionally when playing with human players because of the ability to split and the increased efficiency and intelligence of human monks, hands down the most powerful h/h PvE sin build is of course a Moebius-Death Blossom build. Why?

Simple, the amount of DPS you can dish out is staggering. Especially considering the NM PvE tendency for mobs to bunch up. Have a Rit hero tag you with Splinter Weapon, and it gets gruesome.

But its quite easy to differentiate builds based on their role. In PvP, a Sin has a very different job than in PvE, although going after healers and casters regardless is always a good idea.

The things you will encounter the most as a sin in PvE are blocking stances, blocking enchantments, slowdown hexes, and blind, these are what impact your ability to perform your job. IAS from CA combats slowdown, Wild Strike gets rid of stances, Assassin's Remedy, Plague Touch or Sight Beyond Sight are readily available counter to blind, so the only problem are enchants.

If you use a Shattering Assault build, then even enchants are irrelevant. Although that negates the use of Moebius Strike, which is THE skill to allow pumping out massive DPS.

If you use Moebius, there are skills like Expose Defenses or Rigor Mortis to negate blocking enchants.

All in all, there are of course many builds for a Sin to use, just like with any class. But in PvE, for a melee class, with the hundreds, sometimes thousands of hitpoints enemies can have, the general desire from a sin is massive DPS to quickly burn down the opponent(s). Moebius/DB achieves that.

I run this in PvE. +20 armor, unblockable, and IAS.
You can't lose. Especially since it can be run with almost any armor and weapon. I've never found enchantments in PvE to be so threatening that
A: I'd spend my Elite on it, foregoing mass AoE damage
B: Someone else on the team can't take care of for me (Master runs Corrupt Enchantment in areas which need 'extra attention').