Definitive 'best' PvE Sin discussion
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by Damian979
MS/DB does'nt require such hugely dramatic team changes as I've already explained and 99% of human teams welcome a MS/DB spam build especially with perm-SY, very rarely do they need to change their builds because I'm there.
Apparently insane AoE DPS and perma +100 armor is quite attractive to many groups and as stated it's pretty obvious Jebus has a specific build or team build issue if he's not getting the most out of it.
We know what the topic is man, your replies were clearly directed at my specific advice to Jebus on how to better run and enjoy a MS/DB spam build, not the header, and they really hold no water or actual constructive merit in this regard and certainly don't encourage players like Jebus to play one of the best Sin builds in the game.
I'm trying to offer him advice on how to effectively play the build which is what he asked, your just telling him not to play it.
GG
If you don't like the build fine but don't discount it's merits or advice given to others on how to make the most of the build merely because it's not your personal preference or your always playing in teams where it's useless.Your in-game experience and team builds do not discount the awesomeness of DB spam especially when partnered with SY.
I'd go play more HM and...again... attempt to realize my comments regarding DB/MS were directed at one players specific request for comment on his problem using the build, not your tangent into how much you dislike it.
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Unreal Havoc
To sum it up, one player does not make a team (unless you Hero & Hench).
Damian979
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Originally Posted by fireflyry
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Originally Posted by Damian979
Try using interupts or conditions, which can still include Moebius if you want,to compliment the damage being done by a team that is obviously doing the job well.
read more, talk less
Because I have never said MS/DB was a bad build or that I didn't like it, just that the ability the be flexible with it is more important. The only disagreement I've ever had with your statements is that you expect an entire team to change around one build instead of changing the build to match the team. Again, fine if you want to H/H all the time with one build but not practical in the sense of working with people. So instead of arguing two sides of the same coin lets just agree to disagree on this one and we can stop crapping up this thread.
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by Damian979
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jebus I ran the DB/MS build today on my sin, and I was bored very fast. I usually never got to use MS, as my opponent was already dead, rarely I was able to use DB. Making a chain in PvE thus seems pretty useless to me. Any comments? He's saying he's not even getting to use Moebius, in fact he's saying he can't even get a chain off.
Your suggested solution....add conditions and interrupts.
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I promise to read more and post less.
Fixed.
Damian979
Lol
And now it comes down to mis-quotes and personal attacks Intelligence has left the building, Gnight people!
fireflyry
Firstly I never personally attacked you, contradict much?
Originally Posted by Damian979
Secondly it's easy to try and take the moral high-ground when you edit your post after my response. Quote: So instead of arguing two sides of the same coin lets just agree to disagree on this one and we can stop crapping up this thread.
Best thing you've said all thread and I fully agree.
Ciao. Super Igor
to really sum it all up:
Heroes > people never pug, never join groups, allow only one extra person with his/her heroes to your group and you should be fine.
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by Super Igor
to really sum it all up:
Heroes > people never pug, never join groups, allow only one extra person with his/her heroes to your group and you should be fine. I wish I could bring my peepz to AB 
petrorabbit
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
I wish I could bring my peepz to AB
Indeed, they'd be much better than some of the morons who don't understand that capping = win.
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by petrorabbit
capping = win.
Amen.
12chars.
Bobby2
Edited first post.
petrorabbit
About time you lazy nub
RavagerOfDreams
heheheh
Super Igor
Steal teh spamz?
RavagerOfDreams
i ninja'd his original post
Bobby2
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HAHAHA I sneakz in my Hero builds. Why I modded Racway... 1. Orders don't quite work out for me. 2. I keep missing Pyre - [[Broad Head Arrow]! 3. No healz on my team - NPC Monks ftw! 4. /Mo offers no leet utility. Me: [build prof=A/W name="Teh Blossom Engine" box dagger=12+1+1 crit=12+1][golden fox strike][wild strike][save yourselves][death blossom][moebius strike][critical eye][critical agility][assassin's remedy][/build] --- Makes things go boom. Morgahn: [build prof=P/N name="Enfeebling Fury" box leadership=11+1+1 spear=11+1 command=8+1 curses=3][aggressive refrain][anthem of fury][enfeebling blood][spear of redemption][anthem of envy][disrupting throw][rip enchantment][signet of return][/build] --- Buff/debuff vs Melee (thx Tyla). Hayda: [build prof=P/Me name="Epidemic Swipe" box leadership=11+1 spear=11+1+1 command=8+1][aggressive refrain][spear swipe][epidemic][spear of redemption][go for the eyes][merciless spear][expel hexes][hexbreaker aria][/build] --- Clean up/debuff vs Casters. Master of Whispers: [build prof=N/Rt name="Jagged Splinter" box death=12+1+3 sr=8+1 channeling=10 resto=2 blood=1 curses=1][animate bone minions][jagged bones][death nova][dark bond][putrid bile][splinter weapon][rip enchantment][death pact signet][/build] --- ...we all love him, right? Suggestions are welcome as ever.
Super Igor /12
Bobby2
Hero talk! Who, what, and why?
Engage!
RavagerOfDreams
o baby hero discussion
[build=OwFi0xjMVm5/cw0wo/cmFDWDCA] [build= OANEQTxW+5sUrCoB8giolEQedA] [build=OAajAyiM5MeTM21eZ+NRG0zLGA] [build=OASjcYhs4OQbHn3UaO5KnDT7AA] don't always run the MM depends on area Unreal Havoc
Assassins have now turned Necromancer and raised this thread from the dead.
MisterT69
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
o baby hero discussion
[build=OwFi0xjMVm5/cw0wo/cmFDWDCA] [build= OANEQTxW+5sUrCoB8giolEQedA] [build=OAajAyiM5MeTM21eZ+NRG0zLGA] [build=OASjcYhs4OQbHn3UaO5KnDT7AA] don't always run the MM depends on area  ...
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
Assassins have now turned Necromancer and raised this thread from the dead.
Feels good doesn't it? Whatcharunning Unreal?
@ Ravager: no trouble keeping up [[Save yourselves]?
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
Feels good doesn't it? Whatcharunning Unreal?
@ Ravager: no trouble keeping up [[Save yourselves]? not really could swap in FGJ if needed. @mister t the build changes in 4 man only areas and in 8 man you just take 2 monks I'm really still working on it. Been trying to make a HM rit team
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
I'm really still working on it. Been trying to make a HM rit team
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
Why not just take the easy way out and replace one or both of them with Necro's?
no u
Mostly b/c i like the weapon spells do deal RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing big damage like they do on a rit. That and big aoe [spirit rift] [ancestors rage] is fun [build=OwFi0xjMVm5/cw0wo/cVEDWDCA] [build=OACjEqiLpOYsM2EzbOMZ2J7kLA] [build=OASjcghqIPQ7rt3cyFNtDlzhJA] [build=OAhjYsHbIO5hyglwOs7kmjzkLA] think that setup works better. need to micro Warmongers
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
Mostly b/c i like the weapon spells do deal RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing big damage like they do on a rit. That and big aoe [spirit rift] [ancestors rage] is fun
Point well taken. Rift working out without snare then?
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
Point well taken. Rift working out without snare then?
hmm you have a point sir. But rift has been taken out if you see my new version
. Although I probably should find a way to get a snare er something in with all that AoE maybe squeeze something onto the necro and drop spirits. got any suggestions?
Bobby2
I like [[Grasping Earth], but the only bars it has ever found its way on were my own and Jora ([[Earth Shaker]). On your backliner? No idea. [[Deep Freeze]?
Unreal Havoc
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
Feels good doesn't it? Whatcharunning Unreal?
At the moment? I'm currently working on my monk so haven't broken my sin out in PvE for a while. Using a nice GG build in AB though.
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
At the moment? I'm currently working on my monk so haven't broken my sin out in PvE for a while. Using a nice GG build in AB though.
if thats the GG build you posted on the wiki....i like it been running it a lot lately
Unreal Havoc
Yup the very same, better than it first looks on paper, ya?
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