Well I noticed all the comments and suggestions on the AI Healer topic and thought that I've been feeling I'm not getting enough out of my monk either.So here's my team.At the moment I have been playing 3 months so far.I have all the expacs plus core.So far I have completed Pophecies and am working on EotN.I did "pop in" to Factions and Nightfall,but nothing more.The main idea was to have two tanks with two backups.Throw in some henchies and solo away.
Me Warrior 14 Axe Mastery 13 Strength
[skill]Axe Twist[/skill][skill]Axe Rake[/skill][skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Warrior's Cunning[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][wiki]Ebon Battle Standard of Honor[/wiki]
Jora W/Mo 14 Axe Mastery 13 Strength
[skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Dragon Slash[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill]
Acolyte Jin 14 Marksmanship 13 Expertise 4 Beast Mastery Lvl 20 Dire Lizard
[skill]Savage Shot[/skill][skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Lightning Reflexes[/skill][skill]Hunter's Shot[/skill][skill]Barrage[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill]
Tahlkora 14 Healing 13 Protection 3 Divine
[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][wiki]Healing Ribbon[/wiki][skill]Mend Ailment[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill][skill]Remove Hex[/skill][skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill]
The reason all the heroes have Resurrect is cause Henchies seem to die a little to often.
Now I thought as an added thing mention my healers gear in case that's where my mistake lies.
Any advice help here would be greatly apreciated.To me it seems if my monk had more energy things would be better.But maybe I'm on the wrong tactic here.
A lil Help
Terrokian
Terraban
Oh my
Terrokian
That noobishly bad?
the kurzick eater
-ok for the resses.. ressurect is the WORST res you could possibly ever use. use signets, maybe rebirth on your barrage.
-use a MM instead of one of your "tanks", because a meatwall body blocks while dealing lots of damage.
-id take out your evis, dragon slash is much more effective in pve imo (and btw they are warriors, not tanks
and HERO WARRIORS FAIL, FAIL AT TANKING)
-use a broad head arrow+epidemic+volley ranger instead of barrage
-i have never seen ppl post pics of 5 lines of text so large in your pics. size em down.
-dismiss condition+cure hex is probably the way you should go
-your eviscerate build is rather horrid, i'm sorry (axe rake, warriors cunning, axe twist=BADNESS) axes are more for spike damage, id try to take the dragonslash instead if you don't mind cappin the skills.
-equip- gj sticking with minors, but HP is more important than energy. (monks in pve can use radiants but i still stick with survivors personally) don't use anchorites
look up SABWay on wiki/guru, its the most pro combination of 3 heros u can use
*waits for alex to win the thread*
-use a MM instead of one of your "tanks", because a meatwall body blocks while dealing lots of damage.
-id take out your evis, dragon slash is much more effective in pve imo (and btw they are warriors, not tanks
and HERO WARRIORS FAIL, FAIL AT TANKING)-use a broad head arrow+epidemic+volley ranger instead of barrage
-i have never seen ppl post pics of 5 lines of text so large in your pics. size em down.
-dismiss condition+cure hex is probably the way you should go
-your eviscerate build is rather horrid, i'm sorry
(axe rake, warriors cunning, axe twist=BADNESS) axes are more for spike damage, id try to take the dragonslash instead if you don't mind cappin the skills.-equip- gj sticking with minors, but HP is more important than energy. (monks in pve can use radiants but i still stick with survivors personally) don't use anchorites
look up SABWay on wiki/guru, its the most pro combination of 3 heros u can use
*waits for alex to win the thread*
Antithesis
Hi Terrokian, welcome to the forum. I can make a few suggestions to improve your build -
Hero Warriors suck, they kite away from AoE and are generally running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Pick up a Paragon if you want a physical Hero -they're basically a ranged Warrior with better party support. Check out the Paragon forum or the My Paragon Buddies thread for more information.
BHA is generally a better way to go than Barrage on a Hero. Take a Ranger Henchy if you want Barrage.
Hero Monks are meh...that slot is better filled with a more offensive character. Hero Monks can't manage energy properly with 10e skills on the bar and will spam till they drop. Read this thread for builds and debate about Hero vs Henchie monks.
The strongest heroes in Normal Mode tend to be Searing Flames Elementalists and Jagged Bones MM Necros (both Nightfall builds), they're much better options than you're currently using and will make your life a lot easier.
In regards to runes and equipment - Survivors or relevant +10 armour (eg Blessed Insignia) runes are much better options than Radiant. HSR is the way to go for caster weapons, so you're on track.
Hero Warriors suck, they kite away from AoE and are generally running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Pick up a Paragon if you want a physical Hero -they're basically a ranged Warrior with better party support. Check out the Paragon forum or the My Paragon Buddies thread for more information.
BHA is generally a better way to go than Barrage on a Hero. Take a Ranger Henchy if you want Barrage.
Hero Monks are meh...that slot is better filled with a more offensive character. Hero Monks can't manage energy properly with 10e skills on the bar and will spam till they drop. Read this thread for builds and debate about Hero vs Henchie monks.
The strongest heroes in Normal Mode tend to be Searing Flames Elementalists and Jagged Bones MM Necros (both Nightfall builds), they're much better options than you're currently using and will make your life a lot easier.
In regards to runes and equipment - Survivors or relevant +10 armour (eg Blessed Insignia) runes are much better options than Radiant. HSR is the way to go for caster weapons, so you're on track.
Terrokian
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ok for the resses.. ressurect is the WORST res you could possibly ever use.
equip- gj sticking with minors, but HP is more important than energy. (monks in pve can use radiants but i still stick with survivors personally)
*waits for alex to win the thread* Ok need a better res what is gj?Well hell might as well hit full blown noob mode.What is BHA?And finaly what is MM?
equip- gj sticking with minors, but HP is more important than energy. (monks in pve can use radiants but i still stick with survivors personally)
*waits for alex to win the thread* Ok need a better res what is gj?Well hell might as well hit full blown noob mode.What is BHA?And finaly what is MM?
Antithesis
gj = good job.
BHA = Broad Head Arrow, it's a Faction skill
MM = Minion Master
To get you up to speed, read the stickies at the top of every class forum about the basics of running that specific class eg The Paragon Basics. Some builds work better in PvE than PvP (eg Dragon Slash vs Eviscerate) and some work better for humans than heroes, so check out relevant threads in this forum when you're done. That'll help you to understand why we're recommending specific builds and skills.
Also, it's worth checking out http://www.pvxwiki.com for the Hero builds. Download the templates and try them out, you'll find most of the builds we recommend on PvXWiki.
BHA = Broad Head Arrow, it's a Faction skill
MM = Minion Master
To get you up to speed, read the stickies at the top of every class forum about the basics of running that specific class eg The Paragon Basics. Some builds work better in PvE than PvP (eg Dragon Slash vs Eviscerate) and some work better for humans than heroes, so check out relevant threads in this forum when you're done. That'll help you to understand why we're recommending specific builds and skills.
Also, it's worth checking out http://www.pvxwiki.com for the Hero builds. Download the templates and try them out, you'll find most of the builds we recommend on PvXWiki.
Terrokian
Serious tons of info there to work out,and THANK YOU.I will put the info to use.Basically I got my main chars skills need a change up.Change Jora for my paragon hero and switch out my armor on monk.Update my rager a little bit and should be happier.
Antithesis
No problems. You're in the right place and on the right track.
People around here are pretty knowledgeable and helpful.
People around here are pretty knowledgeable and helpful.
the kurzick eater
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No problems. You're in the right place and on the right track.
People around here are pretty knowledgeable and helpful.
ty for noticing XD
People around here are pretty knowledgeable and helpful.
ty for noticing XD
distilledwill
To be honest, I dont think your builds are all that bad. I definately would take into account the advice from other players.
Minion Masters are pretty good heroes to take, (although, minions BOMBERS are better - see the first post on the "Synergising Hero Builds" thread for details). As has been mentioned, heroes do not make good warriors unfortunately and there are better reses out there than Resurrect, try [skill=text]Resurrection Chant[/skill] or [skill=text]Death Pact Signet[/skill].
Your monk build is pretty solid. But I always find a hybrid works a little better:
WoH hybrid:
[card]Word Of Healing[/card][card]Signet Of Rejuvenation[/card][card]Reversal Of Fortune[/card][card]Dismiss Condition[/card][card]Spirit Bond[/card][card]Aegis[/card][card]Resurrection Chant[/card].
Minion Masters are pretty good heroes to take, (although, minions BOMBERS are better - see the first post on the "Synergising Hero Builds" thread for details). As has been mentioned, heroes do not make good warriors unfortunately and there are better reses out there than Resurrect, try [skill=text]Resurrection Chant[/skill] or [skill=text]Death Pact Signet[/skill].
Your monk build is pretty solid. But I always find a hybrid works a little better:
WoH hybrid:
[card]Word Of Healing[/card][card]Signet Of Rejuvenation[/card][card]Reversal Of Fortune[/card][card]Dismiss Condition[/card][card]Spirit Bond[/card][card]Aegis[/card][card]Resurrection Chant[/card].
Cebe
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[skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Dragon Slash[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill]
Quote: Originally Posted by Terrokian Acolyte Jin 14 Marksmanship 13 Expertise 4 Beast Mastery Lvl 20 Dire Lizard
[skill]Savage Shot[/skill][skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Lightning Reflexes[/skill][skill]Hunter's Shot[/skill][skill]Barrage[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill] Well the Attribute spread is ok...at least she's using Expertise. And you have Distracting Shot, so, all is not lost. The thing I wonder is...is the pet actually doing anything? I mean, other than making more red bars for the monk to push up? With such low Beast Mastery I'd advise ditch the pet. Get rid of Barrage, especially since you don't have a splinter rit and use either Prepared Shot, Broad Head Arrow or Burning Arrow. Keep Savage and Distracting, keep Lightning Reflexes, Get rid of Resurrect for a proper Res skill, get rid of Hunter's Shot. Pack a preparation such as Read the Wind or Expert's Focus maybe (or Apply Poison if you want to put some points in Wilderness). Then use another attack skill depending on what best suits the area. For example, Crossfire when there's lots of blocking, since you're a warrior, Crossfire should work ok, or Screaming Shot / Pin Down for more conditions.
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Tahlkora 14 Healing 13 Protection 3 Divine
[skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][wiki]Healing Ribbon[/wiki][skill]Mend Ailment[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill][skill]Remove Hex[/skill][skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill] That's "ok"...but still could be better I feel, how about something like this: [wiki]Cure Hex[/wiki][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill] + Res or [skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill] or [skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill] Assuming that is your standard party setup you usually play with, have you considered unlocking Paragon skills, grabbing a Paragon hero and replacing Jin? The buffs to your attacks along with the passive defense would be nice.
Terrokian
At moment tracking down alot of these skills.Didn't realize how many I didn't have,but will post and update on things.Paragon is probably going to be the most challenging seeing as most of the skills lie in some Yohlon Haven.And I've never been there yet.
Antithesis
I could never be arsed unlocking skills - if you buy the PvP skill unlock packs your Heroes will have access right off the bat and you can use Tomes to grab the ones you need
Terrokian
Me
W/E Axe Mastery 12+1+1 Strength 12+1 Air Magic 3 [skill]Shock[/skill][skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Agonizing Chop[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Lion's Comfort[/skill] Jora(still using as I have 2 more Paragon skills to get) W/Mo Swordsmanship 12+1+1 Strength 12+1 Healing Prayers 3 [skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Dragon Slash[/skill][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill] Acolyte Jin Ra/Me Marksmanship 12+1+1 Expertise 12+1 Beast Mastery 3+1(Lvl 20 Dire Dune Lizard) [skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill][wiki]Volley[/wiki][skill]Epidemic[/skill][wiki]Sloth Hunter's Shot[/wiki][skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill] Tahlkora Mo Healing Prayers 12+1+1 Protection Prayers 12+1 Divine Favor 3 [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][wiki]Cure Hex[/wiki] [wiki]Healing Ribbon[/wiki][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill] Hayda P/E Spear Mastery 12 Leadership 11 Water Magic 6(these are still up for changing) [skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Blazing Spear[/skill] Vicious Attack [skill]Stunning Strike[/skill][skill]Steam[/skill][skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill] "They're on Fire!" [skill]Signet of Return[/skill] I listed some of her skills without using the GFX because those are the ones I have not yet gotten.Figured I would say how far down the path of straightening things up I was.So far I have noticed that we know kill ALOT faster.Handling groups of 12-20 monsters has become so much easier and smaller groups are just meaningless to us.THANK YOU ALL who contributed to my increased enjoyment of this game. Super Igor
The updated version is fine and should work ok, rez is not 1337 tho imo.
~Super Igor
Terrokian
Well I tracked all skills down did a lil tweaking here and there and am very satisfied with my outcome so far.
Me W Axe Mastery 12+1+1 Strength 12+1 [wiki]"You Move Like a Dwarf!"[/wiki][skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Agonizing Chop[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Lion's Comfort[/skill] Hayda P/E Spear Mastery 12+1+1 Leadership 11+1 Water Magic 6 [skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Blazing Spear[/skill][skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]Stunning Strike[/skill][skill]Steam[/skill][skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill][skill]"They're on Fire!"[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill] Acolyte Jin Ra/Me Marksmanship 12+1+1 Expertise 12+1 Beast Mastery 3+1(Lvl 20 Dire Dune Lizard) [skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill] [wiki]Volley[/wiki][skill]Epidemic[/skill] [wiki]Sloth Hunter's Shot[/wiki] [skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill] Tahlkora Mo Healing Prayers 12+1+1 Protection Prayers 12+1 Divine Favor 3 [skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] [wiki]Cure Hex[/wiki][skill]Light of Deliverance[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][wiki]Healing Ribbon[/wiki][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill] So far Tahlkora's energy management is just sweet.Have done a couple extended battles(15+ monsters) and she hung in there like a trooper.Where I have hit a snag(I think) is a shield for Hayda.Any suggestions?Also as a side note(Super Igor:The updated version is fine and should work ok, rez is not 1337 tho imo)what is the best Resurrection spell?
Coloneh
any shield with any req will do for hayda. she will just get 8 al. and I wouldnt run LoD or ribbon on a hero. LoD does almost nothing on a huge recharge and ribbon costs to much, and i dont doubt that heros will use it wrong. bring WoH and SoA.
Terrokian
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any shield with any req will do for hayda. she will just get 8 al. and I wouldnt run LoD or ribbon on a hero. LoD does almost nothing on a huge recharge and ribbon costs to much, and i dont doubt that heros will use it wrong. bring WoH and SoA.
Do you still get shield inscription/handle bonuses if you don't have the req for it?
Super Igor
Terrokian, now its a bit hard to tell coz it is dependant on the primary profession, I npersonally lke Rit Ressurections for their speed and quality, I also dont like any kind of rez on a munk cuz if it starts ressing mid-battle the consequences could be fatal, but the thing I whanted to tell is that taking a rez is not 1337 imo.
 ~Super Igor
DarkSpirit
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but the thing I whanted to tell is that taking a rez is not 1337 imo.
~Super Igor  http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...79#post3810879 Super Igor
Oh ya yaa, +1 that, again.
~Super Igor :ninja~
Antithesis
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Well I tracked all skills down did a lil tweaking here and there and am very satisfied with my outcome so far.
Me W Axe Mastery 12+1+1 Strength 12+1 [wiki]"You Move Like a Dwarf!"[/wiki][skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Agonizing Chop[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Lion's Comfort[/skill] Hayda P/E Spear Mastery 12+1+1 Leadership 11+1 Water Magic 6 [skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Blazing Spear[/skill][skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]Stunning Strike[/skill][skill]Steam[/skill][skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill][skill]"They're on Fire!"[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill] Acolyte Jin Ra/Me Marksmanship 12+1+1 Expertise 12+1 Beast Mastery 3+1(Lvl 20 Dire Dune Lizard) [skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill] [wiki]Volley[/wiki][skill]Epidemic[/skill] [wiki]Sloth Hunter's Shot[/wiki] [skill]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill] Tahlkora Mo Healing Prayers 12+1+1 Protection Prayers 12+1 Divine Favor 3 [skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] [wiki]Cure Hex[/wiki][skill]Light of Deliverance[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][wiki]Healing Ribbon[/wiki][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill] So far Tahlkora's energy management is just sweet.Have done a couple extended battles(15+ monsters) and she hung in there like a trooper.Where I have hit a snag(I think) is a shield for Hayda.Any suggestions?Also as a side note(Super Igor:The updated version is fine and should work ok, rez is not 1337 tho imo)what is the best Resurrection spell? I understand you're not after cookie cutter builds, but you're using builds that are 90% cookie cutter and 10% meh... The Warrior is a PvP build. Whilst it's effective in that arena, either a Dragon Slash or Triple Chop build is better in PvE. The reason for this is the ability to spam "Save Yourselves!" for the rest of the team. Steam on the Stunning Striker is more of a gimmick than an effective tool to spread blind. I've tried to get that working effectively myself and i'd rather fill that slot with something else. You're already getting Dazed from Broad Head Arrow, so Stunning Strike is obsolete. Try Defensive Anthem in that slot instead. Vicious Attack is obsolete because you've got Eviscerate for Deep Wound. Cruel Spear's basically a ranged Eviscerate, so you could use that if you change the Warrior to D-Slash or Triple Chop. They're on Fire's kinda wasted without an additional source of burning. If you take a Searing Flames elementalist or another Blazing Spear Paragon it becomes much more useful. Beast Mastery needs to be buffed to increase the survivability of your lizard. Drop Marksmanship back to 12 and put the points in Beast. There are better options than taking a pet with no attack slots on your bar, but whatever floats your boat... Light of Deliverance is pretty weak as your Monk's elite. For a similar but weaker party healing effect, you could use Song of Restoration on your Paragon while using Word of Healing on the Monk to counter spikes. Heroes aren't very good with Reversal of Fortune, Healing Ribbon is expensive and Protective Spirit will get you in energy trouble in late-game PvE. Protective Spirit is best used proactively, Heroes are reactive and tend to cast it after you actually need it. A better Monk build would be - Word of Healing {e} Dwayna's Kiss Signet of Rejuvenation Cure Hex Dismiss Condition / Remove Hex Guardian / Shield of Absorption Aegis Glyph of Lesser Energy The reasoning for selecting these skills is stated in the Monk thread I posted. The bar comes from 3 years of experience and a lot of research in the Monk forum, it's about the best you can hope to run on a Hero. Guild Wars is a team game, give everyone skills to support the team (Save Yourselves!, Defensive Anthem, Aegis etc) and you'll make your job a lot easier. Ultimately you'll also find that you don't need 3 Monks - it's much better to fill that Hero slot with another offensive character.
Terrokian
Definitely getting the point that cookie cutter builds are basically that way because that is simply what works.The best skills are the best.Period.Pretty much I like axes and tanking even those that may not be the best overall tactics in the game.But you are right about thinking about who is backing me up with what skills and that's where I felt I could really use some good advice.Going to take a fresh look at my monk and my paragon.The pet is another one of those not a great tactic but just liked having one in the mix thing.It does draw fire off of me and seems to help in the attacking of stuff.
Super Igor
Pet + BHA was always good not to mention that pets are perfect tanks, ur build is fine now and just godly compaired to what u have started with.
~Super Igor |
