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monk463

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

Tiverton, Rhode Island, USA

R/Mo

27 Mar 2008 at 13:27 - 1

I have just started to play the desert areas and I am becoming frustrated with the lack of 'players' versus people willing to pay some one to 'run' them through the game. So far I have had to find outposts and do the quest associated with them with hencies only (with t e exception of one pug).

Is it me...is the way to play the desert finding a path (guided or not) that u can run through without confronting the 'E' of PvE (environment). It is a little frustrating that stand in an outpost looking for a party and finding a group that wants to know what u charge for the run through or what u will pay them for the run through.

It is almost to the point that I will jump ahead to another campaign just to get hero's and go it alone. Like I said a short rant so I'll stop but I truly would appreciate opinions.

Joe

Monk Gsb

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

England

Mo/Me

27 Mar 2008 at 13:31 - 2

go buy urself nightfall for hero's

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

Join Date: Mar 2007

SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

Me/

27 Mar 2008 at 13:32 - 3

No rants in this forum, so be careful about that.

Pugging in the desert is a little difficult, so I would suggest getting some heroes or just using henchies, although it will take you a little bit longer.

There's not really a way you can run through the desert without encountering some sort of hostiles. Find a running build if you really want to move through it to get to the outposts.

Sorry man.

Tosha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

The Order of the Kitten [PURR]

27 Mar 2008 at 13:34 - 4

Or maybe find a good guild, and do it with guildies that want to help you. That is how I beat the desert the first time

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

E/

27 Mar 2008 at 13:44 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosha

Or maybe find a good guild, and do it with guildies that want to help you. That is how I beat the desert the first time

Guildies make gaming life better. MUCH better. There is no way I would still play this game if I didn't have some friends to play through with, and by friends I do not mean H/H.

CandyPrince

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

The Realm of Eternity (Tre)

E/

27 Mar 2008 at 13:51 - 6

The lack of peeps in the desert is probably due to the release of the other games and expansion pack and the lack of many quests actually in the desert area. It really is a bit of a stop gap area before you get to the S. Shiverpeaks. As for runners, well most people who are going there now are doing it with additional account characters, and simply can't be bothered to find the way to the outposts/missions and additionally can easily afford the gold required to get the runs.
The desert and a lot of the prophecies areas have been a bit neglected of late and as such people have lost interest in playing there much. The last real update to the area was the griffin nurf, when we got a new monk boss to replace 55 monk farming area! We need a few more quests/ideas to get the old areas going. HM in the desert is a breeze.

On the other hand, at least you are playing the game the way most of us did the first time and learning the hard way which of course, is the best way.

In addition, you have the advantage of these forums as well as guildwiki, which of course I and others never had when I did a lot of those missions with just me and some hench. Good luck though all the same

kobey

GW Retiree

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sg Unknown [KATE]

W/

27 Mar 2008 at 13:53 - 7

henchies are actually much better than 75% of pug. You might actually stand a higher chance of suceeding with henchies tbh

Tosha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

The Order of the Kitten [PURR]

27 Mar 2008 at 13:54 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by kobey

henchies are actually much better than 75% of pug. You might actually stand a higher chance of suceeding with henchies tbh

But then, whats the point of playing an MMORPG

YAY for guilds

Songbringer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

EastCoast

E/Me

27 Mar 2008 at 14:01 - 9

Yea most poeple doing the desert now have done it so many times they can afford a run/don't want to waste the time there. You don't see many players there actually doing anything because of the very few new players joining guild wars. That is not to say there aren't any but many are saying "O well nightfall is standalone got released later so it has to be better". Then they buy that gwen faction and prophecies last. By then they are good enough/don't care enough anymore where they just want to beat game get title and be done.

kobey

GW Retiree

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sg Unknown [KATE]

W/

27 Mar 2008 at 14:02 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosha

But then, whats the point of playing an MMORPG

YAY for guilds

pug was fun during prophecies. Ever since factions, the chances of getting a decent pug group is very very low. Nightfall? You know whats remaining in pugs

Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

N/

27 Mar 2008 at 14:30 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by monk463

It is almost to the point that I will jump ahead to another campaign just to get hero's and go it alone. Like I said a short rant so I'll stop but I truly would appreciate opinions.

Joe

If you plan on getting Nightfall anyway, I say get it now and unlock some Heroes. If not, you still can hench your way through the desert. It can be frustrating, but it's doable.

jazagod

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

27 Mar 2008 at 14:31 - 12

agree with all.
I find between 3 and 7 pm pacific time always has more people willing to help anywhere. not just desert...unfortunately im atlantic, so i hench alot too:P
my 2 bits

miskav

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

Mo/

27 Mar 2008 at 14:34 - 13

Nightfall is the bane of all PuG's outside of ''1337'' areas. :/
I suggest you get heroes.

sixofone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

P/

27 Mar 2008 at 15:02 - 14

My 2-cents: After you've gone through the Desert a couple of times, it tends to be a spot to just "get through" so you can get on with the Missions in the S Shiverpeaks and Fire Ring Islands. I mean, unless you're farming, there just isn't that much there!

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

27 Mar 2008 at 15:05 - 15

The trouble in the desert is the unbalance btween the henchmen and the enemies.

In Factions and Nightfall, where the monsters start to be level 20, you get level 20 henchmen.

In Prophecies, where the monsters start being level 20, you get still level 16 henchmen.

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

27 Mar 2008 at 15:24 - 16

I remember the desert was very difficult with henchies. Just go get heroes. I'd suggest EOTN, since you get Vekk and Ogden at level 20 straight away.

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

27 Mar 2008 at 15:27 - 17

A good guild will prevent said frustration.

Phaern Majes

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Anywhere but up

The Panserbjorne [ROAR]

R/Mo

27 Mar 2008 at 15:59 - 18

Poor &
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Generally
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Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

27 Mar 2008 at 16:01 - 19

The desert is boring. I played through it once, I get run through it with any other chars.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

27 Mar 2008 at 16:09 - 20

Nobody does missions in Tyria anymore. All I ever see in local chat is "looking for run". Hardly ever see "LFG".

Ouchie

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

[Leet]

R/

27 Mar 2008 at 16:12 - 21

Try Looking for a group on weekends - I have never had a problem getting a group for a mission - side quests you probably won't find anyone to do with you though.

monk463

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

Tiverton, Rhode Island, USA

R/Mo

27 Mar 2008 at 16:47 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

Nobody does missions in Tyria anymore. All I ever see in local chat is "looking for run". Hardly ever see "LFG".

Exactly... but from everyone who replied I guess it is what it is--SAD.

Oh well like I said ... short rant so I guess I'll do what needs doing, frustrate a little more then maybe buy next campaign and try heroes out for size. Just like to do things in order sorta <=== (unintentional rhyme) so I still want to wrap up Prophecies before another campaign. This is all kinda new to a guy my age

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

27 Mar 2008 at 16:52 - 23

its more than feasible withe plain old henchies. with heroes its a cakewalk.

7Heroesforall.

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

27 Mar 2008 at 16:54 - 24

Heroes killed grouping in GW. Now it's a solo rpg.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

27 Mar 2008 at 17:47 - 25

There's people like the OP, and then there's people who hated the gates and such of NF and Factions. Can't please everyone.

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

A/W

27 Mar 2008 at 17:48 - 26

Welcome to Dead Wars monk463. Announcing GW2 was a bad idea.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

27 Mar 2008 at 17:53 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by cebalrai

Heroes killed grouping in GW. Now it's a solo rpg.

Grouping killed itself due to the awful attitude of most PUGs. I used henchies for questing, PUGs for missions... then moved to asking for help in guild in my previous guild. The last time I stepped into the desert (and the very last one, hopefully) was to vanquish.

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

27 Mar 2008 at 17:53 - 28

Such a small player base is spread out over so many different towns and outposts that there aren't very many places that you'll find people looking to actually pug with you. It's best just to get well acquainted with your henchmen and truck along till the end.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

27 Mar 2008 at 18:20 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by cebalrai

Heroes killed grouping in GW. Now it's a solo rpg.

People played with all henchie groups before heroes were released. Heroes aren't the problem, GW players are. Most pug groups failed, most players were bad, lots were rude, immature, etc. Heroes merely help people who didn't want to pug due to the horrible reputation pugs had and wanted more then henchies, which was heroes.

Not to mention the somewhat small playerbase is spread out over many outposts, as DE said.

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

E/

27 Mar 2008 at 19:17 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

The desert is boring. I played through it once, I get run through it with any other chars.

Yep. The only time I ran the desert was when I was going for cart title.
First time I loaded into the Oasis I saw someone doing a desert tour for 2.5k, and I took it. Then, a guildy ran me through the missions. LOL.

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

27 Mar 2008 at 20:12 - 31

Good players don't pug.

They've either quit or refused to leave their Guild halls. Like Trub.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

27 Mar 2008 at 20:33 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by kobey

henchies are actually much better than 75% of pug. You might actually stand a higher chance of suceeding with henchies tbh

I agree with this. I had the same experience when I first got to the desert. Tried to form or join groups in Amnoon Oasis only to watch them wipe right outside the portals to the Scarabs. Left the PuGs behind and henched it.

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sardelec yelling at Tenshi

Angels Of Strife

E/

27 Mar 2008 at 20:50 - 33

i think that the PUGway died in factions. With the mass amount of sin failures. When you went in a town and all you saw was assassins you were kinda forced to learn how to Henchway it and then you got used to things actually being able to follow your commands and attack certain targets. and the monks weren't total assholes that would bitch if someone didn't follow their orders exactly and the monk got hit.

I really RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing hated monks back then they were always jerks in factions, maybe with good reason but when a PUg monk starts bitching that the other players are noobs and dont know the mission when after following the monks commands for 5 runs and it not working they try something different but the monk runs off and dies and then rages at the team because they refuse to rez him even though he just went wammo.

also SOJ smiters sittin in groups and claiming that monks are meant to nuke.

i have seen a few interesting monks in guild wars pre nightfall.

i know there were nice monks who were good it just seemed that every monk who had the tattoos and was a male was going to be a 5 year asshat

MrDark88

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Puerto Rico

D/

27 Mar 2008 at 21:14 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by monk463

I have just started to play the desert areas and I am becoming frustrated with the lack of 'players' versus people willing to pay some one to 'run' them through the game. So far I have had to find outposts and do the quest associated with them with hencies only (with t e exception of one pug).

Is it me...is the way to play the desert finding a path (guided or not) that u can run through without confronting the 'E' of PvE (environment). It is a little frustrating that stand in an outpost looking for a party and finding a group that wants to know what u charge for the run through or what u will pay them for the run through.

It is almost to the point that I will jump ahead to another campaign just to get hero's and go it alone. Like I said a short rant so I'll stop but I truly would appreciate opinions.

Joe

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thasadar606

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

SiN

W/Mo

27 Mar 2008 at 22:12 - 35

Yeah!There are not that many party calls but most of the players got cocky!
With all the cool armors, the titles, fancy items ...most of the people are full of vanity...this is mostly in the case of the kids who play... they act all RANKY and leet that they forget it's Guild Wars not Single Player Wars
When I was a freshling to the game often I got criticized and left into outposts by flaming party leaders.
Often when I find good parties is either finding older players or kids who still know what's the game about: Having Fun!

kobey

GW Retiree

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sg Unknown [KATE]

W/

28 Mar 2008 at 01:47 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Good players don't pug.

They've either quit or refused to leave their Guild halls. Like Trub.

Agreed totally

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

28 Mar 2008 at 04:33 - 37

Heroes killed what was left of PUGs in places like this. Either get heroes or get a run.

katherinetheblood

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Highland Tsunami [HT]

N/Mo

28 Mar 2008 at 04:46 - 38

I try to be nice to people when Im helping others but when you get some jerk in your group trying to hit on you and say how large his thing is...you get snippy really quick. >.> Then again, this is my fate for having a pair of breasts along with a love of video games.

Anywho, dealing with the desert. I soloed most of it in Katherine's young age and have now become a master at the necro transversal in Dunes of Despair. ^^" If you are doing that area, just learn to control henchmen. You will get the hang of it, and if you really need help, give me a ring but do tell me who you are. I get suspicious of strangers PMing me in the middle of a mapping run.

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

28 Mar 2008 at 05:01 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by katherinetheblood

I try to be nice to people when Im helping others but when you get some jerk in your group trying to hit on you and say how large his thing is...you get snippy really quick. >.> Then again, this is my fate for having a pair of breasts along with a love of video games.

Anywho, dealing with the desert. I soloed most of it in Katherine's young age and have now become a master at the necro transversal in Dunes of Despair. ^^" If you are doing that area, just learn to control henchmen. You will get the hang of it, and if you really need help, give me a ring but do tell me who you are. I get suspicious of strangers PMing me in the middle of a mapping run.

Something many guys joke about that I find just plain stupid, and I would prefer if more girls played video games then what the average belief is. Mainly because girls are actually nice to talk to compared to most of the community. Only people I can stand most of the time are girls on GW, sadly.

Anyways, back to topic. Pugs have been dead for a while,especially in Prophecies. In prophecies its mostly:
make a new character
get out of pre
get a run to droks, LA, and THK
level outside droks or in factions
guild group for THK and on, next campaign

It's rather sad. I hope they don't have any very fast way of leveling compared to the original leveling rate for GW2. I do commend you on wanting to do the whole campaign for Prophecies, but don't think you'll get many groups. I had to hench all of prophecies and factions because whenever I joined pugs, I failed miserably, mainly because of some necro or monk not knowing what s/he is doing.

I still say Full Guild Group>Heroes>Henchies>Pug.

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

W/

28 Mar 2008 at 08:42 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Heroes merely help people who didn't want to pug due to the horrible reputation pugs had and wanted more then henchies, which was heroes.

They also help those of us who are slow and do things like stop to pick up their loot when the local mobs're cleared and, if they have keys, open chests, salvage stuff, check out collectors they're encountering for the first time in explorables, weave along the sides of the path and take the generally longer edge routes for mapping purposes, etc., instead of just trying to get through as fast as possible. Not in timed missions, obviously (I'm slow and deliberate - not stupid

), but that sort of behaviour seems to really, really annoy people.

[QUOTE=katherinethebloodI try to be nice to people when Im helping others but when you get some jerk in your group trying to hit on you and say how large his thing is...you get snippy really quick. >.> Then again, this is my fate for having a pair of breasts along with a love of video games.[/QUOTE]

Nah. It's your fate for using a female character with a sensible (female) name instead of standard MMORPG gibberish.