Let's buff/nerf that Dervish skill!

MrDark88

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Puerto Rico

27 Mar 2008 at 21:40 - 1

Post one skill you would like to buff/nerf and how you'll set it up.

I'll start with...

Onslaught-15e-2s-20rec
Elite Enchantment. For 5..20 seconds, your skills cost 10% less energy, recharge 10% faster, and you attack 10% faster for each enchantment on you (maximum 33%) while wielding a scythe.

Or something like that.

EDIT: Yeah, it was kinda overpowered before... just added the IAS... is it ok now?

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

27 Mar 2008 at 22:08 - 2

when buffing skills you have to consider secondary abuse *COUGH*ASSASSIN*COUGH*

Sword

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mo/

27 Mar 2008 at 22:16 - 3

Ebon Dust Aura on D/P Dervishs in RA is stupid as sh*t and broken/imba

edit: i love how people just decide that they are not "powerful" enough with with a skill and think it should be buffed ... if you want to play a ridicolously overpowered online rpg type game go make a hammerdin on diablo 2

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

27 Mar 2008 at 22:52 - 4

10e 2c 20r

Enchantment Spell. For 5...20 seconds, your Scythe Mastery skills cost 50% less energy and recharge 50% faster, and you attack 25% faster. When Onslaught ends, you are knocked down.

Makes more sense, makes it more worth using by Dervish Primary, prevents abuse from secondaries, and the 2 second cast time and duration makes you work around the downfall of the skill by either beefing Wind Prayers, using a 20% enchant upgrade, or both. Note that you wouldn't be knocked down by reapplying it.

Or, instead of knockdown, prevent the casting of enchantments while under the effect of Onslaught.

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

27 Mar 2008 at 22:56 - 5

[card]Ebon Dust Aura[/card]

needs to be nerfed to hell

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

27 Mar 2008 at 23:07 - 6

Onslaught - Skill For 5...15 seconds, you move and attack 33% faster while wielding a Scythe. 20s recharge, 5 energy cost

Lyssa's Assault - energy gain changed to 1...12..16

Avatar of Balthazar - for 10...90 seconds, you move 33% faster and your critical hits have +20% armor penetration.

Pious Fury - for 1...5 seconds, you attack 33% faster. 5 energy, 5s recharge

Pious Assault - Remove one enchantment from yourself. If an enchantment is removed, deal +5...20 damage and inflict deep wound for 2...5 seconds. 3/4 activation, 10e, 10s recharge

Ebon Dust Aura - your attack skills take an additional 2 seconds to recharge.

Watchful Intervention - increase health gain to 10...300, increase recharge to 20. This skill has no effect if the target is below 50% health when casted.

Dem Babyz Iz Mine

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

Ninth ring of the Abyss

Underpaid Heroes [Hero]

D/A

27 Mar 2008 at 23:12 - 7

Mystic Regeneration
Put it into Mysticism like the name implies and restore it's 20 second length and the quick recast. I'm pretty sure the reason it got so uubernerfed was because eles, cros, sins, etc. were abusing it. If you put it into mysticism it'll make more sense and keep it from being overpowered because only dervishes will be able to use it with any amount of efficiency. atm It sucks worse than Healing Breeze, and that skill sucks.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

27 Mar 2008 at 23:16 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

if you want to play a ridicolously overpowered online rpg type game go make a hammerdin on diablo 2 Sorry but they're baed in PvP.

Buff: AoB. Can't specifically say how though. Adding an attack buff would seem obvious but will always make it overpowered.

Btw, the OP buff would make onslaught stupidly powerful.

Boogz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

Variable Speed Farmers[VsF]

Mo/

27 Mar 2008 at 23:20 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

[card]Ebon Dust Aura[/card]

needs to be nerfed to hell whats the point on nerfing this? just coz it pwns melees at RA?
D/P blindbots are totally inferior to b-surge and SoM mesmers at TA, so i don't really see the point on nerfing EDA

Yuhe Ji

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Los Angeles

27 Mar 2008 at 23:45 - 10

Buff Avatar of Grenth and Balthazar. They look so cool and yet they're so useless! I think Mystic Regen needs to be reverted. Maybe keep the 3 enchantments, but I think they should set it back to 20 sec and the 5 sec recharge.

Itokaru

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

BC, Canada

Disciples of the Fish

R/Mo

27 Mar 2008 at 23:59 - 11

I think Mystic Regen should be put up to 4 enchantments..That at least lets the people that are supposed to tank, tank.

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

27 Mar 2008 at 23:59 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boogz

whats the point on nerfing this? just coz it pwns melees at RA?
D/P blindbots are totally inferior to b-surge and SoM mesmers at TA, so i don't really see the point on nerfing EDA ill agree bsurge is better but som isnt

eda allows for more spamming and cover conditions then SoM and can be used on a easier bases.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

28 Mar 2008 at 00:08 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

Avatar of Balthazar - for 10...90 seconds, you move 33% faster and your critical hits have +20% armor penetration.

Pious Assault - Remove one enchantment from yourself. If an enchantment is removed, deal +5...20 damage and inflict deep wound for 2...5 seconds. 3/4 activation, 10e, 10s recharge

Ebon Dust Aura - your attack skills take an additional 2 seconds to recharge. I disagree with Pious Assault. Did you forget that imba spike in GvG which didn't require the elite slot?

For EDA, add a 1 second cast.

I also disagree with AoB. Hitting a moving enemy triggers an autocrit, and the only thing that can truly negate the anti-kite, is Shadowstepping. Sundercrits are ouch as it is....

@The OP's Onslought suggestion -- That would just be broken. No, beyond broken.

Now what I think...

AoB is in need of a buff, but I reckon it's hard to balance. Forms, in general are pretty broken for the same reason as Weapon Spells, Shouts, and Chants -- they're unstrippable buffs.

@Itokaru -- Why would you be tanking anyway? It fails in the first place...

2048

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

Guild Wars

Brotherhood of Veterans C co [BRO]

28 Mar 2008 at 00:35 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDark88

Post one skill you would like to buff/nerf and how you'll set it up.

I'll start with...

Onslaught-15e-2s-20rec
Elite Enchantment. For 5..20 seconds, your skill cost 50% less energy and recharge 50% faster. You also attack 10% faster for each enchantment on you (maximum 33%).

Or something like that.

That would be so friggin overpowered

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

28 Mar 2008 at 01:48 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

ill agree bsurge is better but som isnt

eda allows for more spamming and cover conditions then SoM and can be used on a easier bases. Have you ever played in TA?

EDA is for RA. Only nubs run it in TA now, but even they realize that it sux.

And Bsure is nothing comparing to SoM in TA.

Bowstring Badass

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28 Mar 2008 at 02:39 - 16

[skill]Wounding Strike[/skill]

Give it about a 6 second recharge and give it +10..17..25 damage and keep the DW and bleeding thing.

joshuarodger

Unbanned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] -- IGN: Swirly

Mo/

28 Mar 2008 at 02:50 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

[skill]Wounding Strike[/skill]

Give it about a 6 second recharge and give it +10..17..25 damage.. i don't know about that it already inflicts 2 conditions if you're enchanted, and what derv isn't enchanted? but honestly the reason i don't use it most of the time is because there is no damage spike associated with it. ah why not add the exta dmg. i just argued with myself.

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

28 Mar 2008 at 02:51 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

[skill]Wounding Strike[/skill]

Give it about a 6 second recharge and give it +10..17..25 damage.. to similar to reaper's. keep wounding as spammable deep wound and reaper's similar to evis.

Bowstring Badass

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28 Mar 2008 at 02:57 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

to similar to reaper's. keep wounding as spammable deep wound and reaper's similar to evis. For an elite though WS is terrabad compared to the other elites out there... Reaper's itself with 2 other attacks can deal some nasty dps. Honestly WS needs a buff for damage maybe keep the spam ability but put the damage around +6..10..15?

Either way I would be happy with it as we need more then Avatar of Melandru builds running around.

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

28 Mar 2008 at 04:33 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by yum

Have you ever played in TA?

EDA is for RA. Only nubs run it in TA now, but even they realize that it sux.

And Bsure is nothing comparing to SoM in TA. yes i've played ta and that + the fact i only run covenantway in ta i find som a minor annoyance at best

blurmedia

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2007

UNCONTROLLABLE RAGE [moko]

28 Mar 2008 at 08:26 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyla salanari

I also disagree with AoB. Hitting a moving enemy triggers an autocrit, and the only thing that can truly negate the anti-kite, is Shadowstepping. Sundercrits are ouch as it is.... No.
Hitting a fleeing opponent triggers autocrits. Like how bull's strike was before it got buffed to "moving foe." I don't know exactly how fleeing works but I guess you have to hit a foe moving directly from you. Soooo autocrits aren't that easy to get.

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

28 Mar 2008 at 11:56 - 22

When you're chasing down people running away, they're usually pretty easy to get if you can keep up.

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

28 Mar 2008 at 18:01 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

For an elite though WS is terrabad compared to the other elites out there... Reaper's itself with 2 other attacks can deal some nasty dps. Honestly WS needs a buff for damage maybe keep the spam ability but put the damage around +6..10..15?

Either way I would be happy with it as we need more then Avatar of Melandru builds running around. ws is fine

it recently got buffed to apply both bleeding and dw in one swing, and the bleeding covers the dw.

MrDark88

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Puerto Rico

28 Mar 2008 at 19:12 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2048

That would be so friggin overpowered LOL! Yep, I kinda realized that now...

*Edits first post*

MasterSasori

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

[Thay]

R/Mo

28 Mar 2008 at 20:19 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

[card]Ebon Dust Aura[/card]

needs to be nerfed to hell Its called bsurge eles. Besides even the EBA + volley ranger uses this skill more effectively.

Captain Miken

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

28 Mar 2008 at 20:23 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

MrDark88

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Puerto Rico

28 Mar 2008 at 20:27 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword

edit: i love how people just decide that they are not "powerful" enough with with a skill and think it should be buffed ... if you want to play a ridicolously overpowered online rpg type game go make a hammerdin on diablo 2 This is just a "have-fun" topic, since obviously none of this will ever get considered. I guess it's typical Guru behavior that people react all "smarty-pants" to every thread.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

28 Mar 2008 at 20:53 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Miken

Everything else < Hammerdins < Bowazons. < chargers, if we're talking PvP.
< javazons if we're talking PvE. (or whatever it was called in d2, can't remember..)

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

28 Mar 2008 at 21:59 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by blurmedia

No.
Hitting a fleeing opponent triggers autocrits. Like how bull's strike was before it got buffed to "moving foe." I don't know exactly how fleeing works but I guess you have to hit a foe moving directly from you. Soooo autocrits aren't that easy to get. A moving enemy is basically a fleeing enemy.
AKA kiting.

AoB, if hitting a kiting enemy, with the run speed buff will automatically sundercrit, and sundercrits for a scythe, are very, very strong.

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

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29 Mar 2008 at 06:30 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by street peddler

ws is fine

it recently got buffed to apply both bleeding and dw in one swing, and the bleeding covers the dw. Agreed, WS is easily the hardest pressure from a dervish. It's hell to mitigate/heal through it.

SpiritThief

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

R/Me

29 Mar 2008 at 12:39 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyla salanari

AoB, if hitting a kiting enemy, with the run speed buff will automatically sundercrit, and sundercrits for a scythe, are very, very strong. 214 with wildblow in pvp is my highest so far.

Daerian

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2007

29 Mar 2008 at 16:22 - 32

Enigma Wind Druid and Enigma Bone Necro >>> All in D2 pvp :P

For skills - I would like some bonus for funny offbuild - Mystic Sandstorm or Mystic Twister

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Angels Of Strife

29 Mar 2008 at 16:48 - 33

so glad i stopped playing D2

ccruzp

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30 Mar 2008 at 03:21 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDark88

Onslaught-15e-2s-20rec
Elite Enchantment. For 5..20 seconds, your skills cost 10% less energy, recharge 10% faster, and you attack 10% faster for each enchantment on you (maximum 33%) while wielding a scythe. ild like to see that , but
Elite Enchantment. For 20 Seconds Your Skills cost 5..8..11 % less energy, recharge 5..8..11 % faster, and you attack 5..8..11% faster for each Wind Prayer enchantment on you. (maximum 3)

I would really like to see some use for wind prayers other then guided hands/Attacker's insight/lame autoheal

Meralda estat

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sweden

Cute But Dirty [Oink]

30 Mar 2008 at 06:15 - 35

It whould be fun to see some use for Wind Prayers. Atm if your not a plain runner or used secundary. It isent realy that usefull if you ask me..

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

30 Mar 2008 at 11:55 - 36

It's kind of funny nobody can agree on the most overpowered build, heh... mainly because different builds excelled at different things. For general use the windie or hammerdin seemed the most difficult to stop, while fire or coldsorcs, fury javazons or lightning sins generally killed stuff the fastest, provided they weren't invulnerable. But with the right gear, pretty much anything could become overpowered...

... we are so going to get our posts deleted for derailing this thread.

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

30 Mar 2008 at 12:04 - 37

Avatar of Dwayna uh... decrease disable to 100 or 80
make it most consistant avatar.

pious renewal, gives bonus effect when IT ends.

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

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30 Mar 2008 at 13:15 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by street peddler

ws is fine

it recently got buffed to apply both bleeding and dw in one swing, and the bleeding covers the dw. Thanks for explaining something I already knew...

Kyomi Tachibana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

Oregon, USA

Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB]

P/W

30 Mar 2008 at 19:39 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

Avatar of Dwayna uh... decrease disable to 100 or 80
make it most consistant avatar.

pious renewal, gives bonus effect when IT ends. Pious Renewal does give it's effect when it ends. It's quite the E-management skill when you have a monk spamming RoF on you.

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

30 Mar 2008 at 20:21 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

Pious Renewal does give it's effect when it ends. It's quite the E-management skill when you have a monk spamming RoF on you. I mean an additional effect just for when it ends.