so after 8 months of playing with a sword and ursan. i discovered the best weapon for pve
and that is a hammer.
the build i use
for great justice
backbreaker
counterblow
pulverizing smash (use knockdown first)
fierceblow (does more damage to weakened foes)
drunkenmaster(alcohol ftw)
i am strongest
hardres (edited cant used 2 elites in a bar :P)
ive had so much fun with this build i can do 80/90 damage a hit
now i rarely play ursan anymore
yesterday i had most fun in shards of or
i did like 200 + damage with judges insight against undead.
what makes it even more fun if u have consumables. like pie and alcohol really helps with drunken master.
then u can attck with insane speed. and has higher dps than axe or sword. with al the bufs ofcourse.
Hammer rocks!!
Anime Divine
jonnieboi05
use the build without consumables and such; i guarentee big difference.
on a side notre...how can you use ursan "when your party is in trouble" when you elite is backbreaker?
on a side notre...how can you use ursan "when your party is in trouble" when you elite is backbreaker?
Taurus
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
use the build without consumables and such; i guarentee big difference.
on a side notre...how can you use ursan "when your party is in trouble" when you elite is backbreaker? you big nab he hacks of course
on a side notre...how can you use ursan "when your party is in trouble" when you elite is backbreaker? you big nab he hacks of course
Anime Divine
lol my bad i get overexcited with ursan XD
not really a big diffrence only 20 les damage or so
not really a big diffrence only 20 les damage or so
RhanoctJocosa
Backbreaker?
Counter Blow?
I am the strongest?
Fierce Blow?
You're doing it incredibly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing wrong.
Counter Blow?
I am the strongest?
Fierce Blow?
You're doing it incredibly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing wrong.
Miska Bow
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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
Backbreaker?
Counter Blow?
I am the strongest?
Fierce Blow?
You're doing it incredibly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing wrong. Not if he's having fun.
Counter Blow?
I am the strongest?
Fierce Blow?
You're doing it incredibly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing wrong. Not if he's having fun.
N E D M
[skill]dwarven battle stance[/skill] now recharges in 20
RhanoctJocosa
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Originally Posted by Miska Bow
Not if he's having fun.
tru dat brutha
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by Anime Divine
i discovered the best weapon for pve
Sorry to shatter your excitement but there's no best weapon :/
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
Backbreaker?
Counter Blow?
I am the strongest?
Fierce Blow?
You're doing it incredibly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing wrong. Backbreaker is awesome, don't diss it
Counter Blow?
I am the strongest?
Fierce Blow?
You're doing it incredibly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing wrong. Backbreaker is awesome, don't diss it
ogre_jd
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Originally Posted by Miska Bow
Not if he's having fun.
And if helping to successfully clear mobs & areas *and* if knows enough to not get hooked on a single build and trying (after the first attempt or two, anyways) to use it in all situations.
itsvictor
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
Sorry to shatter your excitement but there's no best weapon :/
I agree...I use all, depending on my mood and for the situation. Earthshaker aoe kd lock is so ftwww, Godmode, and Triple/Cyclone/Whirlwind Spam with splinter yeyeyeyye
nebuchanezzar
Hammers are fun, /agreed.
Try the perma-AoE KD of Earthshaker.
[skill]Earth Shaker[/skill][skill]Crude Swing[/skill][skill]Whirlwind Attack[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill]
The other 4 skills can vary. /P adds [skill]Enduring Harmony[/skill] for example like the DS Sword build to get 30 seconds of FGJ! and skills like [skill]Enraging Charge[/skill] to help get the combo started.
Basically any mob group of 4 or more will never get away(they barely get to stand up =]) once you start. Earth Shaker > Crude > Earth Shaker > Whirlwind > Rinse > Repeat until they all die. My vote for funnest pve hammer action.
Try the perma-AoE KD of Earthshaker.
[skill]Earth Shaker[/skill][skill]Crude Swing[/skill][skill]Whirlwind Attack[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill]
The other 4 skills can vary. /P adds [skill]Enduring Harmony[/skill] for example like the DS Sword build to get 30 seconds of FGJ! and skills like [skill]Enraging Charge[/skill] to help get the combo started.
Basically any mob group of 4 or more will never get away(they barely get to stand up =]) once you start. Earth Shaker > Crude > Earth Shaker > Whirlwind > Rinse > Repeat until they all die. My vote for funnest pve hammer action.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by nebuchanezzar
Hammers are fun, /agreed.
Try the perma-AoE KD of Earthshaker.
[skill]Earth Shaker[/skill][skill]Crude Swing[/skill][skill]Whirlwind Attack[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill]
The other 4 skills can vary. /P adds [skill]Enduring Harmony[/skill] for example like the DS Sword build to get 30 seconds of FGJ! and skills like [skill]Enraging Charge[/skill] to help get the combo started.
Basically any mob group of 4 or more will never get away(they barely get to stand up =]) once you start. Earth Shaker > Crude > Earth Shaker > Whirlwind > Rinse > Repeat until they all die. My vote for funnest pve hammer action. Just a note on that. Spamming Crude Swing leads to bad energy problems. I usually use a Vampiric hammer, though these days I've invested in a Zealous hammer so that when energy get's too low I can switch to the Zealous and top up my energy bar with a well-placed Whirlwind Attack and Crude Swing. Continual spamming of Crude Swing is an energy killer...it can sap your energy pretty fast. I switch back to the Vampiric whenever I am doing fine for energy. Seems to work ok for that build.
Alternatively a necro hero maintaining Withering Aura on you, and taking Auspicious Blow can work well too.
Try the perma-AoE KD of Earthshaker.
[skill]Earth Shaker[/skill][skill]Crude Swing[/skill][skill]Whirlwind Attack[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill]
The other 4 skills can vary. /P adds [skill]Enduring Harmony[/skill] for example like the DS Sword build to get 30 seconds of FGJ! and skills like [skill]Enraging Charge[/skill] to help get the combo started.
Basically any mob group of 4 or more will never get away(they barely get to stand up =]) once you start. Earth Shaker > Crude > Earth Shaker > Whirlwind > Rinse > Repeat until they all die. My vote for funnest pve hammer action. Just a note on that. Spamming Crude Swing leads to bad energy problems. I usually use a Vampiric hammer, though these days I've invested in a Zealous hammer so that when energy get's too low I can switch to the Zealous and top up my energy bar with a well-placed Whirlwind Attack and Crude Swing. Continual spamming of Crude Swing is an energy killer...it can sap your energy pretty fast. I switch back to the Vampiric whenever I am doing fine for energy. Seems to work ok for that build.
Alternatively a necro hero maintaining Withering Aura on you, and taking Auspicious Blow can work well too.
A Leprechaun
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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
Backbreaker?
Counter Blow?
I am the strongest?
Fierce Blow?
You're doing it incredibly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing wrong. If you think they are bad skills, you are bad. Just bad.
~A Leprechaun~
Counter Blow?
I am the strongest?
Fierce Blow?
You're doing it incredibly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing wrong. If you think they are bad skills, you are bad. Just bad.
~A Leprechaun~
yum
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Originally Posted by A Leprechaun
If you think they are bad skills, you are bad. Just bad.
~A Leprechaun~ I remembered someone saying that "Built to beat the best, then you don't have to worry about the rest" in glad forum.
In that perspective, those skills are baed. And if you still insist that they are good skills, you're bad.
~A Leprechaun~ I remembered someone saying that "Built to beat the best, then you don't have to worry about the rest" in glad forum.
In that perspective, those skills are baed. And if you still insist that they are good skills, you're bad.
Nexus Icon
I haven't posted here for a looooong time, but someone's saying Counter Blow is a bad skill?
Well, I see the IQ test lets just about anybody in...
Well, I see the IQ test lets just about anybody in...
A Leprechaun
Ok then.
Backbreaker - 4 second KD and added damage. Knock-lock anyone? Good skill.
Counter Blow - In PvE the AI is stupid, use it to your advantage. High chance of a KD and only 4 adrenaline? Yes please. Good skill.
"I am the Strongest!" - Ok its not amazing but does add damage to your attacks. OK skill.
Fierce Blow - +42 damage on weakened foes for only 6 adrenaline, its a no brainer. Good skill.
Why do you say they are bad?
~A Leprechaun~
Backbreaker - 4 second KD and added damage. Knock-lock anyone? Good skill.
Counter Blow - In PvE the AI is stupid, use it to your advantage. High chance of a KD and only 4 adrenaline? Yes please. Good skill.
"I am the Strongest!" - Ok its not amazing but does add damage to your attacks. OK skill.
Fierce Blow - +42 damage on weakened foes for only 6 adrenaline, its a no brainer. Good skill.
Why do you say they are bad?
~A Leprechaun~
ogre_jd
"I Am The Strongest!"'s biggest advantage for Hammers is that it's not a 'For X seconds, you deal +Y damage' skill - 5 attacks (with Norn r3) using a hammer would easily take longer than most +damage shouts or enchantments. I'd say that makes it an excellent choice when using hammers, if you're going for a temporary +damage effect on your bar. The bit where you can cast it well before combat and let yourself regen the mana before wading into the fray's just an added bonus.
RiKio
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Originally Posted by Anime Divine
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Counter Blow - In PvE the AI is stupid, use it to your advantage. High chance of a KD and only 4 adrenaline? Yes please. Good skill.
"I am the Strongest!" - Ok its not amazing but does add damage to your attacks. OK skill.
Fierce Blow - +42 damage on weakened foes for only 6 adrenaline, its a no brainer. Good skill.
Why do you say they are bad? Backbreaker is bad in PvE. You need to do damage to all those red dots in the radar. And Backbreaker requieres you to focuse your damage in one foe.
Counter Blow: KD and what more? PvE is not PvP. Here, you must hurt the enemy. You can neutralise one foe, but what happens with the others?
``I am the Strongest´´: Agree with ogre.
Fierce Blow: Good if you have weakened a foe. Try it with Sabway.
Pyro maniac
KD is good in PvE, hence why brawling headbutt is so popular on a sword bar
[skill]Backbreaker[/skill][skill]Steelfang Slash[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill]
[skill]Backbreaker[/skill][skill]Steelfang Slash[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill]
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Nexus Icon
Well, I see the IQ test lets just about anybody in...
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Backbreaker - 4 second KD and added damage. Knock-lock anyone? Good skill. Counter Blow - In PvE the AI is stupid, use it to your advantage. High chance of a KD and only 4 adrenaline? Yes please. Good skill. "I am the Strongest!" - Ok its not amazing but does add damage to your attacks. OK skill. Fierce Blow - +42 damage on weakened foes for only 6 adrenaline, its a no brainer. Good skill. Why do you say they are bad? Back breaker isn't horrible, but I see no reason why you'd run it over earth shaker. Knocking down 1 foe for 4 seconds is alright, knocking down 3+ for 3 seconds is much better. Counter blow is a conditional knockdown that's most likely only going to be used on melee. Devoting a skill bar for knocking down a melee enemy isn't all that great. I am the strongest isn't bad. Fierce blow requires your enemy to have weakness. Even if someone in your party has a skill that causes weakness, there's a chance the enemy you're attacking won't get it, or will get it and removed. I'd much rather take mighty blow, which is the same damage, unconditional and costs 1 more adrenaline. Tyla
Earthshaker, Whirlwind Attack, Crude Swing version beats the living daylights out of that.
@Pyro -- Brawling Headbutt is mainly used in PvE, because it's extremely cheap on a Warrior bar, with no downfalls, and can be practically spammed on your common Godmode Warrior bar. Spammable KD's ftw. 
Turbobusa
In pve everything attacks, counter blow is a guaranteed knockdown
freaky naughty
Earthshaker > backbreaker, OP should try it out.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Turbobusa
In pve everything attacks, counter blow is a guaranteed knockdown
Casters tend to attack less then melee. Even if you manage to catch a caster attacking, there's still a chance it will use a spell before you manage to get counter blow off.
Honestly, getting one knockdown in before your elite isn't going to make much of a difference.
Cathode_Reborn
Before EotN, I'd say Counter Blow was a good skill and actually gave some reason to use a hammer in pve. With Brawling Headbutt there now, it feels outdated like Fierce Blow. Yeah it does cost 3 more adren, but it's a guaranteed KD on everything.
Backbreaker I wouldn't use in PvE because it takes way too long to recharge. That 20+ dmg and extra 1sec KD isn't as strong in pve as it is in pvp. Brawling is basically a non-elite Magehunter's smash, but unblockable in all cases. With that being said, Earthshaker ends up being one of the best choices. I still hope they'll buff Forceful Blow someday 
Anime Divine
back breaker is good for monks though
have tried the difference between backbreaker and earth shaker i like back breaker more cos it just destroys the monks earth shaker cant compete with a 5 sec knockdown. earth shaker is only good for mob heavy areas with like no monks and they all ball up on one place.
A Leprechaun
I never said you should take Backbreaker over Earthshaker, in PvE I would much rather have Earthshaker. I was just saying that Backbreaker is a good skill, and it is.
~A Leprechaun~
nebuchanezzar
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Originally Posted by Anime Divine
back breaker is good for monks though
have tried the difference between backbreaker and earth shaker i like back breaker more cos it just destroys the monks earth shaker cant compete with a 5 sec knockdown. earth shaker is only good for mob heavy areas with like no monks and they all ball up on one place. Nothing can compete with a 5 second knockdown because it doesn't exist. Not in a single KD anyways, barring chaining KD's. Stonefist gauntlets have no effect on Backbreaker whatsoever. They can only extend a knockdown to 3 seconds maximum. So the difference(assuming you are using Stonefist Insignia) is 1 second. One second vs. AoE KD usually tips the scale to ES for me.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Anime Divine
back breaker is good for monks though
have tried the difference between backbreaker and earth shaker i like back breaker more cos it just destroys the monks earth shaker cant compete with a 5 sec knockdown. earth shaker is only good for mob heavy areas with like no monks and they all ball up on one place. One extra second isn't going to make a huge difference. Chances are the monk you're knocking down is going to have adjacent allies, so most of the time you'll be getting 2+ 3 second knockdowns. Earth shaker is good anywhere that have mobs with at least 3 casters in them, which is a lot of places. Btw, back breaker is only a 4 second knockdown, stonefist insignias don't affect it.
Shaz
I'm pretty sure Rhanoct meant those skills are bad together in a bar and in PvE, not bad skill in general. Though Fierce Blow is pretty bad, one less adrenaline strike than Mighty Blow but the +damage is conditional. Unless Fierce Blow get a buff, I don't see myself ever using that over Mighty Blow even if I have a necro spamming weakness.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
One extra second isn't going to make a huge difference. Chances are the monk you're knocking down is going to have adjacent allies, so most of the time you'll be getting 2+ 3 second knockdowns. Earth shaker is good anywhere that have mobs with at least 3 casters in them, which is a lot of places.
Btw, earthshaker is only a 4 second knockdown, stonefist insignias don't affect it. Just nitpicking
Arkantos
Meant bb, editing.
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