Attack Speed Increase Skills?

Please tell me why you're running Frenzy on other classes when they have better options available? And as I said, running Frenzy on a class BUT a Warrior is still suicidal if you see anyone who knows what they're doing will take you out. So then you have an IAS sitting there doing nothing.

It's not about you being stupid, It's about the opposition being stupid.

(By the way, Flail is a self-snare IAS and the drawback is extremely significant in PvP unless you're going Hammer. Things like Cripshot and Watersnare can be removed by Monks.)

No they can't. If they do, it's either a) they're retarded or b) they're just screwing around.

Hold on brb using frenzy on monk so I can take 400 damage lightning orbs.

For this it's even easier. It's a) they're retarded.

Never said I was running frenzy on other classes. The whole point of saying "its suicidal" is just dumb. If you know what you are doing you wont get killed 15 times cause you have frenzy up all the time.

Flail in pvp yes only on a hammer warrior. But wait if you could re-read the OP never said just PVP.

Have you played crip shot? Unless you're running an RC cripple is covered up by 2 other conditions which can easily be re-applied.

You can just as easily use it on another melee class without being suicidal. What part of CANCEL STANCE do you not understand? Learn to play.

How many intelligent people do you come across playing GW? Seriously?

You see, there's the stupid Warriors (with Healing Breeze and Mending on), and there's the smarter ones. The smarter ones use IAS.

Yet again, I will say, anyone smart will start going for you. Thus making your IAS useless at that point until there's only like 1 enemy anyway. Even AI isn't that dumb.

I was responding to Shoyon's post.

Have you played crip shot? Unless you're running an RC cripple is covered up by 2 other conditions which can easily be re-applied.[/QUOTE]

Weeeeelll...since I always use an RC Prot in GvG's yes. And it's only covered up by 1.
Kiting can also be good for it, but kiting a Ranger is hard anyway.

Then that IAS would be wasted because you'll be focused in on 24/7. Again, even AI isn't that stupid.
Why are you using Frenzy on a x/W anyway? Learn to play.
I think before you try quoting me again you should look at Divine's post.

If you don't have NF, then no flail. Frenzy is a bit... you know, I don't quite get how people would use it (I know about the cancel stance, but wouldn't the enemies jump all over you as soon as you activate Frenzy? Plus canceling seems to me to be wasting your 5 energy used to activate Frenzy), I don't like it too much. I guess flurry is ok with a zealous mod to maintain it and FGJ to spam attack skills (since flurry doesn't decrease bonus damage).

Like anything else, the use of an IAS skill depends upon many factors. For example, it depends upon how many skills you are using, their recharge times, the energy used, your energy pool, etc., etc. Frankly, it's too long and involved to bother getting into here, but anyone who says things like "IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!", really doesn't know what they're talking about, and can safely be ignored.

I use IAS on every melee character and I use faster casting on casters.... Speed is essential and everyone I know of uses it. It's almost ESSENTIAL in pvp, though a little more varied in pve. Ignore the above post.



Frenzy is great with a hammer or knockdown bar. You can build up your adrenaline and spam your KD skills so you aren't taking damage while it's activated. Also prot spirit mixed with frenzy makes it a lot easier to manage the extra damage taken.

Protective spirit requires 10 energy and protection prayers. Also, in PvE, you tend to fight mobs that outnumber you, so there should be more than one enemy attacking you, so you can't KD everyone.

I totally agree. I feel that flail is the only truely good IAS, that is if you have NF.

Any Warrior should bring an IAS. Period.

Even if you don't have NF for flail? Flurry needs lots of energy. Frenzy is not so hot in PvE where you fight giant mobs.

Lies Frenzy is awesome in PvE, its the best IAS for a warrior. No matter PvE or PvP. Just most players suck in PvE and dont know how to use Frenzy to its full potential or how to bring a cancel Stance for that matter

I point you to this skill:
[skill]Earth Shaker[/skill]

Now, the investment of 10 energy from your monk isn't so high, since there is less incoming damage to heal/prevent. Besides, with the right combination of skills, you can continually use Earth Shaker to knocklock. So you may as well use Frenzy anyway.

Warrior's shouldn't really be targetted anyway, even with Frenzy up. Only Warriors anyway, as any other class would get targetted to the shit regardless.

But high armour allows more Frenzy.
Cancel stance for when you're becoming a main priority target.

Dunno if you have ever played a monk..... but the whole point to prot prayers is that it negates dmg. So a 10 e prot spirit or spiritbond will save you more energy in the long run as opposed to just spamming heals.

Also you talk about wars wasting energy.... this shouldnt be a problem unless you are using shock way to much. You shouldnt be using a bar with 6 energy attacks anyways. IAS + Zealous weapon should handle everything.

Or be an assassin and have Crit Agility, perma IAS +extra armor FTW

This thread is so full of fail it makes kittens cry.

IAS is good. All physicals that actually want to kill shit should be using one.
Period.

And Frenzy on anything other than a warrior is retarded.
Yes, Cancel stances, situational awereness, yada yada and the rest of that shit.
*yawn*
There's no compelling reason to run Frenzy on X/W - non-warrs tend to blow up as soon as anything looks at them, whereas a warrior can Frenzy under pressure; and non-warrs that need that IAS will have better options available to them - Tiger Stance on spiker 'sins, HoF, AR, RaO on thumpers, etc.

Ah, you are right. I thought he meant that the warrior should bring PS himself. Good point on the KD.