Hero nerfing???

Usurp

Usurp

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

The burbs of Atlanta

I logged on for the first time in a few days last night, and when I went out to explore with my heroes (Koss, Vekk, and Ogden)...Vekk and Koss were getting slaughtered like never before. Seriously, Vekk would die instantly at every mob. What is the deal...anyone?

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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You set HM and ddn't notice it?

Eldin

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

Maybe your builds got nerfed into oblivion recently?

Usurp

Usurp

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

The burbs of Atlanta

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
You set HM and ddn't notice it?
What is HM...please enlighten? I am curious because my henchies and Ogden seem to be fine, and they are the same or lower level???

And...I don't think it can be a skill nerf issue...it is more like they have no armor all of the sudden???

Haodu

Haodu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

THE University of Michigan

W/

Did you recently beat a campaign?

Earth

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Usurp
What is HM...please enlighten? I am curious because my henchies and Ogden seem to be fine, and they are the same or lower level???

And...I don't think it can be a skill nerf issue...it is more like they have no armor all of the sudden???
Hard Mode.


I wish I had twelve characters so I could eat my banana.

Clarissa F

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Fighters of the Shiverpeaks

Me/Mo

There was a recent nerf to [skill]watch yourself[/skill]. That might explain Koss being such a wussy. Check for nerfs with Vekk, and check whether you have him set to guard. Hero eles tend to be worse than a wammo in putting themselves in danger.

Usurp

Usurp

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

The burbs of Atlanta

Thanks for the suggestions...I will see what I can see tonight when I log on. Yes...I will be playing Guild Wars on Friday night...no...I don't care if that is lame to some people...hehehe.

I haven't beaten a campaign yet...I have taken my Para to Prophecies and am up to the Ascension missions now. So, I can discount the HM possibility. Also, it is like only Koss and Vekk were affected. I am not dying faster and neither is Ogden or the henchies?!?

Olim Chill

Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

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I've been grinding away in HM with Koss and he's just fine. You should definitely review his skillbar.

masta_yoda

masta_yoda

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2007

most hated players in the [game]

R/Mo

maybe u didnt equip ur monk hero with any skills

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

Maybe because you're not running two other paragons and a ss/barbs necro?

Usurp

Usurp

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

The burbs of Atlanta

Maybe Koss and Vekk are rebelling against me because I didn't log on for awhile...I'm gonna have to boost morale or maybe just beat them into submission!!!

Jiub

Jiub

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Sky Pirates

W/R

my vekk does and always has done the same thing
ill flag my H/H way back so i lure something, and as soon as i click it vekk will charge into melee rang for some reason and instagib himself.

my koss is fine though...

Stockholm

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

Censored

R/

Veek is a freaking "Kamikaze" pilot set on selfdestruct NOW.

S_Serpent

S_Serpent

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

When not at Aziure's Wizard Tower you can find my in Belgium

Knigths of the Keyboard Order - KkO

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stockholm
Veek is a freaking "Kamikaze" pilot set on selfdestruct NOW.
same like the other ele hero's they just suck to understand proper aggro.
AI FAIL here

shmek

shmek

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Usurp
I logged on for the first time in a few days last night, and when I went out to explore with my heroes (Koss, Vekk, and Ogden)...Vekk and Koss were getting slaughtered like never before. Seriously, Vekk would die instantly at every mob. What is the deal...anyone?
Sounds like you had watch self on your warrior to me. SADLY, instead of removing that skill from the game, they made a bigger joke out of it and left it to fool you into using it and thinking it doesn't completely suck. Bad joke Bad bad bad joke

After years of a nice skill even after nerfing it several times, they finally made it REALLY lame.

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

I hurd conspiracy theory wuz gud

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stockholm
Veek is a freaking "Kamikaze" pilot set on selfdestruct NOW.
Have you given him a PBAoE spell?
If you give ele heros a PBAoE spell they'll not use it defensively, as one would think, but will run up to the enemy, trigger the spell, and stay there.

It's basically a variant of the Alesia suicide touch-heal.

Eles do this even if you disable the spell. In short, no PBAoE spells on an ele hero unless you want him to go into melee.


ALSO, to the OP: people are exaggerating the effect of Watch Yourselves because it's their pet peeve, but the change to that skill is not why you're wiping. It was never that great when used by a warrior, at least not when H/H'ing; the skill was nerfed because it gave unlimited energy & 25 extra armor permanently to paragons. Paragons notice the nerf, a warrior doesn't.

Kamatsu

Kamatsu

Moderator

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

Lets stay within the Forum Rules please. No flaming, trolling or inappropriate comments please. Might be a good time to read over:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nes-id2030.php

Markaedw

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

I'm not sure about the nerf to watch yourself but I have found that if I have Apply Poisin on Koss he just stands around doing nothing, and will get into the fight as soon as I disable it. I put AP on Meloni and she is fine.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Hm? Koss uses Apply Poison all the time for me.

It takes, what, two-three seconds to activate Apply Poison, so for the first two-three seconds of the fight Koss will just stand there, because he's activating the skill. Could it be that you're seeing?

Also - he's got a weapon which CAN be poisoned, right?

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Heroes have always had terrible and flawed AI, like Henchmen. Sometimes they fail more than usual.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

Hey any of you guys noticed the pauses the heroes and even the enemy AI has been doing? Really watch the battles sometimes and don't fight yourself just watch the AI. You'll see them do the "think" emote and put their hand on their waist. I've even seen one of them start DANCING lmao. It's hilarious also in that the battles won't start at a distance sometimes the mobs and my heroes will actually get into melee range and almost look like they shake hands before they start fighting. I've seen this many times if I don't start the fight. Really just watch your heroes and mob AI sometimes it's quite the laugh.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
Hey any of you guys noticed the pauses the heroes and even the enemy AI has been doing? Really watch the battles sometimes and don't fight yourself just watch the AI. You'll see them do the "think" emote and put their hand on their waist. I've even seen one of them start DANCING lmao. It's hilarious also in that the battles won't start at a distance sometimes the mobs and my heroes will actually get into melee range and almost look like they shake hands before they start fighting. I've seen this many times if I don't start the fight. Really just watch your heroes and mob AI sometimes it's quite the laugh.
GW code in general is VERY sloppy. I know a friend who looked at the source code (Permission) and it is VERY sloppy. When GW was created, Anet had to start from scratch on their Engine, and gues what, they barely knew how to code. Result, 3 years later, 10000 glitches later, that same code still is sloppy... They couldn't implement a Z-axis due to lack of "skill", point proven...

Hero AI is bad, worse, it's downright redicilous sometimes (I play HB, I know) but look at it like this;
-> If it's PvE, it's easy anyways, if your Heroes fail, wiki a bar for them or try again...
-> If it's PvP (HB is on the edge tough), your enemy suffers the same handicaps you do...

Observe top HB matches, more often than not, the 'win' of the match is decided by who's heroes fck up less... (I've seen many people simply resign after the enemy packer killed theirs... They should, cuz form there on, it only goes downhill...)

Fear Me!

Fear Me!

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/R

Check your builds, my heroes seems to be doing fine.

Washi

Washi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

One of the weirdest threads I've ever seen

Seriously, if your heroes suck it's only your fault for not equiping them with right stuff/skillz.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Killed u man
GW code in general is VERY sloppy. I know a friend who looked at the source code (Permission) and it is VERY sloppy. When GW was created, Anet had to start from scratch on their Engine, and gues what, they barely knew how to code. Result, 3 years later, 10000 glitches later, that same code still is sloppy... They couldn't implement a Z-axis due to lack of "skill", point proven...
This must be one of the most ridiculous claims i have seem on this forum.

distilledwill

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

I tried A Gate Too Far HM H/H for about the baggilionth time yesterday and seemed to have trouble with it for the first time. I dunno.

Then again, me and some guildies Heroed our way through FoW last night and our heroes performed superbly.