Right well we all know hall of monuments didn't turn out to be exactly what we expected but when we heard we could put in our achievements I assumed we could at least put in titles and experience points. But alas, no such thing for the experience points.
But you know, it's kinda lame that you can put in some lame minipet that you can buy for 4k in any random town but you can't leave behind some record of all the experience points that you gathered over the years. There's something very wrong with that concept, right?
Think about it, get 4k, should be possible in an extremely short amount of time, then go to LA1 and spam that you want to buy a minipet for 4k, you should be able to get one real quickly too, all that you could manage in less than an hour, and you would still have more to show for in the HoM than someone who doesn't like minipets but would have clocked literally thousands of hours worth of experience points.
Now I'm sure a lot of people are going to say that experience points are just what you get when you grind and that it would reward people who farm and blablabla, look, I'm sorry but that argument doesn't hold any value considering that all the titles require grind of some kind anyway. For minipets all you have to do is create a character and not delete it for 12 months! WOW what a an incredible achievement! I can clearly see how it is more important to reward that rather than to reward experience points, which is no big deal it's only the heart and soul of any self-respecting RPG.
So anyway, here's the suggestion, we should have a monument where you can record your experience points. (o rly)
Sorry for the sarcasm btw. But come on, when they made HoM but forgot to add EXP points, WHAT were they thinking!?!
"Hey guys we need to make something for those people so they have continuity with their characters in GW2!"
"Great, let's do that! Let's make a hall where they can store achievements to show off in GW2!"
"What a good idea! What should they put in there?"
"Well definately not experience points because that's just silly and doesn't show anything really."
"Yeah let's put in jungle troll minipets instead!!"
"I like your thinking, guys! Now let's operate heavy machinery while being drunk and run around with scizzors!"
"Yay!"
Yeah it must have been something like this.
Experience points for HoM
Lexar
Richardt
/sarcasm
Oh boy! I want an achievment for all those times I spent farming!
/endsarcasm
/notsigned
Oh boy! I want an achievment for all those times I spent farming!
/endsarcasm
/notsigned
oracle.delphi
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Now let's operate heavy machinery while being drunk and run around with scizzors!"
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but seriously i think it would be a good idea...like maybe have some way if you hit a certain point to record that..i don't see it working too well if it was updating everytime you get xp...
Arduin
You are seriously suggesting this?
You are saying the Exp monument is viable because it tops the Miniature one, 4k in an hour and such. Farming with HFFF nets you 2,000 Experience every minute! 2,000! Every minute! This monument would be a joke.
Yet Experience has nothing to do with GW after you've reached lvl 20, and have lots of skillpoints. Maybe some other game, where you can get 160+ levels, but not this game.
/notsigned, there's really no point in this monument.
You are saying the Exp monument is viable because it tops the Miniature one, 4k in an hour and such. Farming with HFFF nets you 2,000 Experience every minute! 2,000! Every minute! This monument would be a joke.
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/notsigned, there's really no point in this monument.
Lexar
I need to quote myself here:
Look I know you're all free to have your opinion on the matter and you can disagree with me, but then if you say experience points are useless, then at least explain to me why titles are not useless, or at least not as much as experience points. I don't see how minipets that you get for NOT deleting a character over 12 months is more usefull than experience points, but perhaps you can enlighten me and explain that.
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belladonna shylock
this monument would be no larger of a joke than some of the other monuments that already exist. Examples: Legendary Survivor, the monument for killing shiro, the monument for reaching lvl 20 in pre-searing. they are just fun titles, which truely imo isn't any different from an exp. monument. Might as well add a 3 year character or a 4 year character (in the future) monument to this as well! Based off the monuments which already exist, I say it's a viable monument!
Richardt
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ILook I know you're all free to have your opinion on the matter and you can disagree with me, but then if you say experience points are useless, then at least explain to me why titles are not useless, or at least not as much as experience points. I don't see how minipets that you get for NOT deleting a character over 12 months is more usefull than experience points, but perhaps you can enlighten me and explain that.
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To use your logic, why should there be a monument to heroes where to get the vast majority of them, you just play through the storyline? And you can buy most hero armor remnants for the cost of an average minipet.
It's way easier to get XP in GW than it is to farm. And that's saying something.
Skyy High
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Look I know you're all free to have your opinion on the matter and you can disagree with me, but then if you say experience points are useless, then at least explain to me why titles are not useless, or at least not as much as experience points. I don't see how minipets that you get for NOT deleting a character over 12 months is more usefull than experience points, but perhaps you can enlighten me and explain that.
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Lexar
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Proff
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I need to quote myself here:
Look I know you're all free to have your opinion on the matter and you can disagree with me, but then if you say experience points are useless, then at least explain to me why titles are not useless, or at least not as much as experience points. I don't see how minipets that you get for NOT deleting a character over 12 months is more usefull than experience points, but perhaps you can enlighten me and explain that. |
Lexar
No you're right you can get titles by sitting afk at some spot during holiday events. Much better achievement, you're right.
I have to say I'm a little surprised so little people see this the way I see it. The way I see it: Anet thinks a worthless minipet is more important than any amount of experience points no matter how rediculously high it is.
I have to say I'm a little surprised so little people see this the way I see it. The way I see it: Anet thinks a worthless minipet is more important than any amount of experience points no matter how rediculously high it is.
HawkofStorms
/notsigned
A lame disguise attempt at the "experience title." This idea is in the "suggested ideas" thread at the top of Sardelaic that new posters are SUPPOSED to read before posting suggestions.
/close
(Ps: I thought plotline and character development was the key to a successful RPG, not a blue bar that fills up)
A lame disguise attempt at the "experience title." This idea is in the "suggested ideas" thread at the top of Sardelaic that new posters are SUPPOSED to read before posting suggestions.
/close
(Ps: I thought plotline and character development was the key to a successful RPG, not a blue bar that fills up)
Lexar
I didn't disguise anything, I just compared it to emphasise how stupid HoM is.
Also don't assume I'm a new poster, or assume to be above the level of this topic by saying it should be closed, that's actually quite condensending and in my opinion just as offensive as me making a possibly borderline redundant topic.
Also don't assume I'm a new poster, or assume to be above the level of this topic by saying it should be closed, that's actually quite condensending and in my opinion just as offensive as me making a possibly borderline redundant topic.
Takeko Nakano
It sounds interesting. Personally I think that HoM is completely pointless at the moment. And XP gives you NO BENEFIT whatsoever, apart from some people who go for survivor titles. So it would be nice to see a little something to show that you've done loads of quests and killed lots of monsters, other than Vanquishing (boring).
HawkofStorms
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I didn't disguise anything, I just compared it to emphasise how stupid HoM is.
Also don't assume I'm a new poster, or assume to be above the level of this topic by saying it should be closed, that's actually quite condensending and in my opinion just as offensive as me making a possibly borderline redundant topic. |
My point is the entire thread is redunent as this idea has been suggested before and you should read forum rules against doing so.
yakeh
Imho, that post rocks. If that says anything.
Now to the comments to collegue-posters:
FAIL. MMMAASSSSSIIIVVVEEE fail. Fail-a-palooza.
Coming from a guy with an IGN of "Taalon Draake", I attach no value to this statement whatsoever. Sue me.
Wow, what valuable argument. Skills have nothing to do with gw! Good job on that one.
FAIL.
Why not? If you could choose between have an achievement or not, why wouldn't you pick the achievement :/
PH41L
Now to the comments to collegue-posters:
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Titles aren't the same thing as experience points because titles can't be gotten killing level 16's in nm.
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Because achieving a title is, well, an achievement, or at least a coherent activity you work towards. Lots of experience points just means you solo farm a lot, and oddly enough, there isn't a "epic number of smite crawlers killed" title.
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Yet Experience has nothing to do with GW after you've reached lvl 20, and have lots of skillpoints. Maybe some other game, where you can get 160+ levels, but not this game.
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FAIL.
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Oh boy! I want an achievment for all those times I spent farming! /endsarcasm |
PH41L
Lexar
Yes believe it or not I actually understand your point but I don't feel as strongly about it as you do.
Also I did glance over the suggestion index but it didn't say anything about this in the hall of monument suggestions.
Also I did glance over the suggestion index but it didn't say anything about this in the hall of monument suggestions.
Oleg
If you put a mini pet in HoM your chars in GW2 will presumably get access to that mini pet in GW2. Pretty straightforward. What would an XP monument unlock?
I don't think an XP monument is any less valid than most, though. It's true you can get 2K xp every minute or two by doing HFFF. There is also a Kurzick monument for doing this. Why not an XP one?
Stating that a monument for farming is stupid is a little pointless. Anyone who has the Deldrimor title has probably spent a lot of time killing snowmen. The same easy dungeon again and again. That sounds a lot like farming to me and it has a monument for it.
The problem with an XP monument is that it is too vague. Someone could make the same amount of XP using a few tomes and 55ing not far past LA as earning the Legendary Guardian title. XP is an indication of effort, but not effort focussed to anything specific. It doesn't link directly to anything. HFFF links to the Kurzicks, Deldrimor to dwarves, Survivor to being really really careful. What does XP link to? What I'm getting at is what could it possibly unlock in GW2? HoM is the link between GW and GW2. If the monument has no crossover purpose, it has no place in the game. As such, I'd have to say no to an XP monument unless a reasonable reward in GW2 could be unlocked.
I don't think an XP monument is any less valid than most, though. It's true you can get 2K xp every minute or two by doing HFFF. There is also a Kurzick monument for doing this. Why not an XP one?
Stating that a monument for farming is stupid is a little pointless. Anyone who has the Deldrimor title has probably spent a lot of time killing snowmen. The same easy dungeon again and again. That sounds a lot like farming to me and it has a monument for it.
The problem with an XP monument is that it is too vague. Someone could make the same amount of XP using a few tomes and 55ing not far past LA as earning the Legendary Guardian title. XP is an indication of effort, but not effort focussed to anything specific. It doesn't link directly to anything. HFFF links to the Kurzicks, Deldrimor to dwarves, Survivor to being really really careful. What does XP link to? What I'm getting at is what could it possibly unlock in GW2? HoM is the link between GW and GW2. If the monument has no crossover purpose, it has no place in the game. As such, I'd have to say no to an XP monument unless a reasonable reward in GW2 could be unlocked.
the Puppeteer
exp points is mostly the sign of how much you farmed
MithranArkanere
If two characters play the same time, the one that plays more time solo will be the one with more exp.
That removes experience from the title, achievement, indicative and even apart from the other grind titles.
Can't be used for anything really. Skill points would be slightly better for that, yet still they also cannot be used.
That removes experience from the title, achievement, indicative and even apart from the other grind titles.
Can't be used for anything really. Skill points would be slightly better for that, yet still they also cannot be used.
Lexar
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Proff
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Coming from a guy with an IGN of "Taalon Draake", I attach no value to this statement whatsoever. Sue me.
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Arduin
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Wow, what valuable argument. Skills have nothing to do with gw! Good job on that one.
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MithranArkanere
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I have feeling 60% of the posts in this forum section come from people who only read the title of the topic but not the actual post itself.
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That's all.
Getting 1 million exp is easier than getting 20 different miniatures. Yeah, some may cost 4k, but NOT all, and of course NOT those that are already dedicated.
Maybe you don't like them, but that doesn't change that you get more exp the smaller the party size, and that Anet may add some solo quests, but will not encourage going solo all over the place.
Lexar
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In that manner you could also turn around what you said about more exp when you play solo. You could just as easily say Anet actually does encourage people to go solo because of the very fact that you are rewarded more exp when the party is smaller. I suspect it works that way because teams of 8 can make kills faster so in the end they still end up making more exp than any solo guy anyway.
Anyways what I meant with my quote there, was that there's a couple of posts that just bluntly state EXP is rewarding farmers, even though I have already mentioned several times how that doesn't hold any ground when you compare it to some titles out there, it's kinda frustrating when that's being ignored and people simply react to the topic title.
MithranArkanere
What? You doubt it?
WITHOUT farming, I got 6 million experiencie before getting the 20 miniatures I have now.
Characters get mor exp in parties with less members.
That's something everyone knows.
And the action that most people do in low member parties is farming.
Almost no one goes to make Adventues or quests solo, since the reward is the same, and going in parties is faster.
Most farming builds are meant to kill faster and get benefits from bigger number of enemies. The more they are, the faster they dye, or the more health you recover, or the more energy you have and things like those.
Going in parties you may kill faster, but the difference is not compensated. With a farming build, you may even kill faster than going with a bunch of allies without those farming builds. And when farming you go to specific points, usually all of the same profession or just the same monster, so your build can be much more specific that buildsused to work in wide areas against different types of enemies.
A good example are the Vaettir. Killing 60 of them takes less than 7 minutes with a farming build. With a build meant to work in the rest of Jaga Morraine, but a full party, even if it's quicker, will get less experience per minute and party member.
You don't see it, but that's what it is.
WITHOUT farming, I got 6 million experiencie before getting the 20 miniatures I have now.
Characters get mor exp in parties with less members.
That's something everyone knows.
And the action that most people do in low member parties is farming.
Almost no one goes to make Adventues or quests solo, since the reward is the same, and going in parties is faster.
Most farming builds are meant to kill faster and get benefits from bigger number of enemies. The more they are, the faster they dye, or the more health you recover, or the more energy you have and things like those.
Going in parties you may kill faster, but the difference is not compensated. With a farming build, you may even kill faster than going with a bunch of allies without those farming builds. And when farming you go to specific points, usually all of the same profession or just the same monster, so your build can be much more specific that buildsused to work in wide areas against different types of enemies.
A good example are the Vaettir. Killing 60 of them takes less than 7 minutes with a farming build. With a build meant to work in the rest of Jaga Morraine, but a full party, even if it's quicker, will get less experience per minute and party member.
You don't see it, but that's what it is.
HawkofStorms
I also don't understand how he "doubts it." Due to the exp from turning in normal mode books in GW:EN, I had around 1 million exp (went for 5 million to 6 on my main) in less then a month.
Lexar
I can go to any outpost and BUY 20 minipets right now and not spend that much money either. Certainly nowhere near the amount you get by the time you have gotten 1 million exp.
Or you could take up 7 character slots and wait 3 years and you would never even have to PLAY the game.
Or you could take up 7 character slots and wait 3 years and you would never even have to PLAY the game.
MithranArkanere
But farming is not 'playing' the game, is something 'out of the parameters' like running, rushing missions, roleplaying in outposts...
You do it, it's your business. But you are not getting a title for it.
No matter how you see it, more exp in the same time means solo playing.
And solo playing will never be something 'treated' in GW.
You do it, it's your business. But you are not getting a title for it.
No matter how you see it, more exp in the same time means solo playing.
And solo playing will never be something 'treated' in GW.
Takeko Nakano
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But farming is not 'playing' the game, is something 'out of the parameters' like running, rushing missions, roleplaying in outposts...
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Not sure why XP is any different.
Proff
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Erm, what? People get titles already for farming - e.g. Norn rep, sunspear, etc.
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yakeh
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Coming from a guy with an IGN of "P Imp Daddy", I attach no value to this statement whatsoever. Retard.
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FYI, P Imp Daddy is an awesome name. I looked it up in the great Book of Awesomeness, and it appears anything involving imps is actually per definition awesome.
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Care to explain on this one?
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Artorius.Maximus
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(Ps: I thought plotline and character development was the key to a successful RPG, not a blue bar that fills up)
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On a serious note, my main has Legendary Skill Hunter (or Elite Skill Hunter or whatever it is), at least 150 skill points, and I am not just going to go buy consumables with them for no reason. I do not need an experience title, I am quite certain that whatever they would choose I have either reached max level, or could easily reach within a month of casual play.
2nd, there are many accomplishments that are not easy (ok, with URSAN maybe they are easy) to put into your HoM. None of the legendary conqueror monuments are easy to obtain (prior to Ursanway at least). Legendary Guardian and Vanquisher titles are hard to obtain.
/notsigned
MithranArkanere
I meant SOLO farming.
You get thse points faster if you go in groups.
You get thse points faster if you go in groups.
Fried Tech
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"Well definately not experience points because that's just silly and doesn't show anything really."
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Because achieving a title is, well, an achievement, or at least a coherent activity you work towards. Lots of experience points just means you solo farm a lot, and oddly enough, there isn't a "epic number of smite crawlers killed" title.
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Lexar
A lot of people dismiss this idea because exp points are supposedly easy to get, but that seems somewhat weird because how exactly can you compare it to existing titles? I haven't even begun to mention possible tiers for exp titles, for all you know it could start at 5 million and the max could be 250 million. That's not easy at all. So really any mention of exp being easy get is nonsense, you're required to kill mobs just as you do with nearly all the titles EotN introduced. You can farm it solo and think you'd be farming it faster but I don't think so, 8 people working together are more than the sum of their parts and can ultimately kill more than 8 times faster.
If people would solo a particular spot over and over again, then that's their choice, isn't it? It doesn't hurt you, just as it doesn't hurt you that people seem to farm lightbringer and sunspear in the same exact spot over and over either. It's not different at all.
Honestly 1 million exp is small change if people would grind this for a title the way they grind norn or sunspear faction for titles. In fact now that I think about it, PVE skills based on your experience title would be pretty freaking sweet. Maybe I'll suggest that later in an equally engaging fashion.
Ah yes, the thing is, you might have missed it, but I was actually being sarcastic, because it's such a blatantly stupid thought, when you think about what the HoM stands for.
Yes and there is also no need to ever look at your minipets either or no reason to look at your drunkenness title bar, or even your vanquisher title bar.
Oops sorry for the double post, I thought I hit edit, didn't pay attention.
If people would solo a particular spot over and over again, then that's their choice, isn't it? It doesn't hurt you, just as it doesn't hurt you that people seem to farm lightbringer and sunspear in the same exact spot over and over either. It's not different at all.
Honestly 1 million exp is small change if people would grind this for a title the way they grind norn or sunspear faction for titles. In fact now that I think about it, PVE skills based on your experience title would be pretty freaking sweet. Maybe I'll suggest that later in an equally engaging fashion.
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Oops sorry for the double post, I thought I hit edit, didn't pay attention.
MithranArkanere
More than 'easy' counts the 'relative speed'.
A title for getting exp will favor only those that play solo in detriment of those that play in groups.
That is not something that will ever be trated in GW.
A title for getting exp will favor only those that play solo in detriment of those that play in groups.
That is not something that will ever be trated in GW.
Lexar
Well, with henchies and heroes everyone practically plays alone anyway so what's the difference if they take them or not.
Besides I disagree with you, as I said I think 8 people can gather more exp per hour because if they're good and complement each other they kill more than 8 times as fast as 1 person could.
Besides I disagree with you, as I said I think 8 people can gather more exp per hour because if they're good and complement each other they kill more than 8 times as fast as 1 person could.
Ekelon
It's sad how you can spend 4k for a minipet and throw it in your hall, I do agree with that.
But it's also sad how you can farm a multitude of experience points through 1 repetitive method while other people are gaining their experience through campaigning.
You seem like a hypocrite for suggesting a feature like this with those kinds of examples.
But it's also sad how you can farm a multitude of experience points through 1 repetitive method while other people are gaining their experience through campaigning.
You seem like a hypocrite for suggesting a feature like this with those kinds of examples.
Sir Pandra Pierva
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You can farm it solo and think you'd be farming it faster but I don't think so, 8 people working together are more than the sum of their parts and can ultimately kill more than 8 times faster.
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1 skill point per 1 min run.
8 people trying to clear an area repeatedly for another e-peen title
i wonder who is going to win that one.
also more money is to be had going to solo and farming istead of trying to clear an area for the same title.
i win
kthxbye
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